Analysis Lin Jong 2017

[ManOfClay]

He was horrible

 

[fred cook]

He was horrible

His very good form is just ok
His very bad form is just horrible

 

[Cadillac]

The Jong midfield experiment should be over. He can still be a serviceable player on a flank. But he simply is not a midfielder.

 

[House_of_Dahl]

You mean when Jong was again trailing his man in and wasn't goal side of his opponent - allowing a block to occur?

Just as bad was his clearance work. It was actually noticeable how bad we were when Lin was in the centre bounces.

Lin tries. But if we are relying on him for much - we are screwed.

Cue the we love Jong crusaders and how unfair it is to criticise Jong.

Even when Macrae or Dahl are just going, they manage 25 plus disposals.

Lin got 13....THIRTEEN.

If Jong holds his place - it won't be for long if he serves up much more of that.

no doubt wasn't a great game, but was FAR from alone there.

The hyperbole that piece of play was the worst defensive effort by anyone all year... cmon. Parker didn't even block him deliberately, he was pushed in front of Jong by Hunter.

 

[BRWB]

no doubt wasn't a great game, but was FAR from alone there.

The hyperbole that piece of play was the worst defensive effort by anyone all year... cmon. Parker didn't even block him deliberately, he was pushed in front of Jong by Hunter.

Cmon. How hard is it to put yourself between an opponent and the goals? Shocking play. He also trailed Kennedy in at stoppages. Poor.

Fact is Jong wasn't alone. But his worst is far worse than everyone else. While his best is rarely better than ok.

 

[Super Hans]

you mean when Hunter pushed Parker in front of him, which (inadvertently) blocked him?

You're taking the piss if you're blaming anyone else but Jong for that goal.

Watch the footage again and compare Macrae's body work on Kennedy to Jong's on Hannebery.

 

[ManOfClay]

Jong fumbles enough in dry conditions, with a wet ball that was asking for trouble.

Libba was a better option

 

[Super Hans]

you mean when Hunter pushed Parker in front of him, which (inadvertently) blocked him?

BTW, I don't mind Jong as a footballer, but this is the shit that pisses me off. He played a shit game and had an absolutely horrendous start to the game, but people want to blame other players for his mistakes. I'm actually disappointed you'd throw Lach under the bus for something clearly not his doing.

This happens every game. Lin makes a mistake, it's everyone else's fault. Something good happened because Lin did simple handball, better mention it!

It's weird. I've never seen this board do it with any other player... ever.

 

[BRWB]

BTW, I don't mind Jong as a footballer, but this is the shit that pisses me off. He played a shit game and had an absolutely horrendous start to the game, but people want to blame other players for his mistakes. I'm actually disappointed you'd throw Lach under the bus for something clearly not his doing.

This happens every game. Lin makes a mistake, it's everyone else's fault. Something good happened because Lin did simple handball, better mention it!

It's weird. I've never seen this board do it with any other player... ever.

And don't forget the old Jong was bad but he wasn't alone...in the Jong thread...

The apparent desire of some to put what amounts to a fairly ordinary player on a pedestal intrigues me - more than it should I admit.

I just think some folk have become hypersensitive to any criticism of Jong and over compensate.

And another thing, how many times did Jong pick up a ground ball in one clean grab last night? How many did he fumble? Just has shocking ball handling skills.

 

[The Original Swooper]

Well I'm allowed to comment openly as being on record for appreciating what Jong is to this team. A very handy and flexible depth/ role player. So I'm neither fanboy or knocker. But he was putrid last night. As they used to say on The Weakest Link, "... it's time to go.."

 

[BRWB]

Well I'm allowed to comment openly as being on record for appreciating what Jong is to this team. A very handy and flexible depth/ role player. So I'm neither fanboy or knocker. But he was putrid last night. As they used to say on The Weakest Link, "... it's time to go.."

Agree completely

And welcome to the "you just called Jong 'depth' therefore you are a delusional Jong knocker with cognitive bias and are possibly racist...." club.

 

[Mr. Walker]

Jong fumbles enough in dry conditions, with a wet ball that was asking for trouble.

Libba was a better option

Libba's form has been terrible of late. I don't think that should be rewarded with selection in the one's over guys (Honeychurch, Webb and Williams) who have been in better form. Have to cop a little pain for the overall good of the club.

 

[House_of_Dahl]

BTW, I don't mind Jong as a footballer, but this is the shit that pisses me off. He played a shit game and had an absolutely horrendous start to the game, but people want to blame other players for his mistakes. I'm actually disappointed you'd throw Lach under the bus for something clearly not his doing.

This happens every game. Lin makes a mistake, it's everyone else's fault. Something good happened because Lin did simple handball, better mention it!

It's weird. I've never seen this board do it with any other player... ever.

Dude it's how about you don't ignore the context of my comment...

My post was in response to that piece of play being called the worst piece of defensive play by anyone all year. I wasn't blaming Hunter. I said that Parker didn't even block him deliberately - it happened because Hunter accidentally pushed Parker in front of him, which blocked Jong. It obviously wasn't Hunter's intent and I don't blame him for it, but hardly the worst defensive play by anyone all year when your teammate accidentally blocks you. Not ideal positioning perhaps, but that doesn't equal worst defensive play by anyone all year - that extreme exaggeration is the shit that pisses me off!

 

[Super Hans]

I'm clearly watching a different piece of vision to you, because what I'm seeing is Jong standing on the wrong side of his opponent and letting him get separation to waltz into an open goal.

There's absolutely no excuse for it. You never see Dahl or Macrae's opponent kick these goals. Or Bont. Or Libba. Or any midfielder we have.

It's made even worse when Jong's strength is his burst of pace, which he clearly isn't using in that play.

Dunstall pointed all this out on the fox coverage.

His worst game in years.

 

[Struggle]

I got nothing against Lin, but this is the worst defensive play you'll see from any midfielder all year.

He was in excellent position if Sydney were kicking the other way!

 

[timtamWB]

So usually I'd be above this, but I'm so sick of the Jong defenders that continuallly suggest he's in the top 10 on this list that enough is enough.

darthbards what do you think of Jong's game?

 

[Super Hans]

Surely no one thinks Lin is a top 10 player on our list... when everyone's fit and firing.

In no particular order..
1. Bontempelli
2. Macrae
3. Wood
4. Dahlhaus
5. Murphy
6. Liberatore
7. Wallis
8. Hunter
9. Johannisen
10. Stringer
11. T. Boyd
12. Roughead
13. Adams
14. Dickson
15. Daniel
16. Morris
17. Picken

He's clearly in that 18-25 bracket with blokes like Smith, Dunkley, Webb.

 

[Unorth]

The icing on top of that Hannebery goal was that they got their initial inside 50 from Jong deciding to sling Kennedy to the ground even though he didn't have the ball any more.

I haven't replayed any footage, but don't we usually line Jong up on the opposition's best mid? Not to tag, but just to account for. Yet he's always lagging behind and the team's best mid almost always torches us (until we made Hunter play a hard tag...)

Could have a lot to do with the setup, as all of our mids look to be in the wrong places.

Jong's second and third efforts can be quite good, he does play with heart. But his awareness is just horrendous. We were willing to ditch Koby because of his tunnel vision, and rightly so. But Jong's awareness and skills are even worse. Bevo likes him because he likes versatility, and Jong certainly is that due to his physical traits.

But I'm over it, we need as much clean ball use as possible. Can't field an entire team of outside players I know, I just think that Dunkley>Jong and in the future, when Dunks is healthy, we treat it that way. It was deemed that Jong+Dunkley+Koby couldn't be played together, and I don't even think you can play Jong+Dunkley together either, and I'm taking Dunkley. Equally bad up forward, but is better defensively, equally bad with his disposal but at least he doesn't get the fumbles.

For now though? With Dunkley injured and with Libba in the 2s? Times like this are where I'm ok playing Jong. He should be break in case of emergency depth. But when Libba and Dunkley are right to go, Jong needs to make way for one of them.

 

[darthbards]

So usually I'd be above this, but I'm so sick of the Jong defenders that continuallly suggest he's in the top 10 on this list that enough is enough.

darthbards what do you think of Jong's game?

Very disappointing. For a player who has moved into our top dozen he seemed to watch more than impact the game. He needs to improve to become top 10.
I think he deserves another chance to make amends but he did take a step backwards last night.
I think some criticism of Jong can be fair but often is over the top in some quarters. Jong was not Robinson Caruso last night but he still needs to take ownership for his performance.
It would be easy to say he must have been injured or to blame the umpire but I'd honestly say this is not correct in regards to his performance.
Thanks for the mention and I was happy with Macraes performance and now believe he is the clubs best player and will win the B&F this year.

 

[StringyDog]

He is just too much a confidence player. As soon as he coughed up that goal in opening minute you could tell he was going to fumble and cough up the ball going forward. He simply drops his bundle and mistakes amplify, would prefer him playing more forward if he plays, as in midfiled he can be so costly at stoppages.

 

[doggies ftw]

Agree completely

And welcome to the "you just called Jong 'depth' therefore you are a delusional Jong knocker with cognitive bias and are possibly racist...." club.

Jesus you talk some shit campaigner

There's very few in the category that you're talking about there, more in the opposite end or the spectrum that can't appreciate any good he does (yourself included) and the vast majority of the board who thinks Jong is a good fringe player whose played some really good footy at times this year but can still accept how bad some of his games have been, like last night.

The Jong bashers side pipes in talking about people making excuses for him before anyone even does that it's hilarious.

 

[BRWB]

Jesus you talk some shit campaigner

There's very few in the category that you're talking about there, more in the opposite end or the spectrum that can't appreciate any good he does (yourself included) and the vast majority of the board who thinks Jong is a good fringe player whose played some really good footy at times this year but can still accept how bad some of his games have been, like last night.

The Jong bashers side pipes in talking about people making excuses for him before anyone even does that it's hilarious.

No need to be rude m8. Jong is what is he is - an OK to good fringe player. He does good things and they've been acknowledged by me and others, so I'm not sure we even disagree.

 

[darthbards]

Jesus you talk some shit campaigner

There's very few in the category that you're talking about there, more in the opposite end or the spectrum that can't appreciate any good he does (yourself included) and the vast majority of the board who thinks Jong is a good fringe player whose played some really good footy at times this year but can still accept how bad some of his games have been, like last night.

The Jong bashers side pipes in talking about people making excuses for him before anyone even does that it's hilarious.

The Jong bashers were always going to have a window of opportunity and were always going to seize the moment when it arrived. I expressed the idea they needed to stay patient and the opportunity would come over a long season and this week it has.
The challenge now for Jong is the same challenge that a number of our players face..standing up and taking ownership for a poor game.
While Lin is AFL standard he will always have his limitations and face his challengers like many in the League.
I look forward to seeing how he responds,at whatever level the MC decide is appropriate. I'm confident he will bounce back like he generally does.

 

[Wetdog]

I only saw the first half, and Jong was very poor. He did not get involved enough, fumbled and at times looked slow defensively. His stats in the second half suggest he was a non event or poor, or both.

I think it's important to keep some perspective though.

Jong's form has been generally good this year, so one very poor match does not make a season.

Secondly, from what I saw, our whole midfield unit was soundly beaten and many of our players were poor to very poor. Jong was a contributor in this, but he was not the only one.

Thirdly, Jong is not the calibre of player who can carry our midfield or be a match winner against good opposition. He is a support act for our better players, Bont, Macrae, Libba of old, Dalhaus etc. If they get beaten, then he most likely will to. We would all like him to step up to the next level, but he is at this point in time a role player. All teams have these players.

It will be interesting to see what the MC do this week. Based on that performance in isolation, you could justifiably drop Jong. But that approach may apply to about 8-12 players. And you can't drop them all. You would think that they would take into account his form over the past 4-6 weeks, so will be interesting to see how they have rated his contribution to the team this season and whether they still value him enough to have him in the team this week.

I don't have a problem with focusing on Jong's form as this is the Jong thread, but let's keep in mind that performance across the team was very poor. Jong needs to take some responsibility, but it is not his responsibility alone.

 

[The Inbetweener]

Think the bad outweighs the good with him.

Depth player at best, although we don't have a heap banging the door down