Mega Thread List Changes, Drafting, Trading & Rookie Thread

[Doctor Feel]

I know that...that's why I said drop some money on genuine talent ....

Okay, so who do you think will come to Port for 350k a year and is a genuine talent?

Oh that's right, no one. As I said, Boak and Pearce are the best we have and the only players who it's logical to give the money to as part of filling our cap.

We need to develop our own talent, and that starts from the draft, rookies and mature age draftees.

 

[Schulzenfest]

So what your saying is we pay them what they ain't worth and let the collect their pay cheques and the circle of shit will continue

Yes. That's exactly what we have to do. That's the nature of the AFL and the salary cap. We have to give the money to someone. If we weren't giving it to Boak, we'd be giving it to someone equally undeserving. Get over it.

I know that...that's why I said drop some money on genuine talent ....

If Boak stays at Port, it will be partly because of the draws of loyalty, wanting to help the club that gave him his opportunity, having friends at the club, and already being set up in SA. If we look elsewhere, we'll be looking to players who have none of those draws. You know what we'd have to give up to replace those draws? Even more money.

We'll probably have to pay about 500k a year to keep Boak, but we'd probably have to pay about 700k to entice an equivalent player to actively leave their club and come to Port Adelaide. It's not ideal, but it's the nature of the salary cap. Again, get over it.

 

[Eric Blair]

Delist Logan?

Are you serious? He's one of the few who can hold his head high.

See where you are coming from but the way I see it sure guys like Logan and Thomas are courageous and give their all however if the rest of the team played with half that level of intensity and courage then They would at best be depth players only

 

[FishingRick04]

Maybe a good coach can turn these average players into superstars?

 

[Doctor Feel]

Maybe a good coach can turn these average players into superstars?

That is where I'm at. There are definitely quite a few who need to go. However we all know quite a few of our players are far more capable than what they have shown.

 

[Schulzenfest]

A new coach is more likely to instil some hardness and intensity into players who are lacking it than to magically fix up the lack of talent of guys like Thomas and Logan.

 

[IanW]

Okay, so who do you think will come to Port for 350k a year and is a genuine talent?

Oh that's right, no one. As I said, Boak and Pearce are the best we have and the only players who it's logical to give the money to as part of filling our cap.

We need to develop our own talent, and that starts from the draft, rookies and mature age draftees.

From GWS, Jonathon Giles is out of contract at the end of the year.

Sam Schulz, Stephen Clifton, Anthony Miles and Gerald Ugle are probably on the bubble.

I'd be looking long and hard at Tungtalum from Hills Eagles as a small forward.

GWS probably wont be using our 3rd picks and later, and might make them available in a trade.

 

[BIG MATTY T]

Okay, so who do you think will come to Port for 350k a year and is a genuine talent?

Oh that's right, no one. As I said, Boak and Pearce are the best we have and the only players who it's logical to give the money to as part of filling our cap.

We need to develop our own talent, and that starts from the draft, rookies and mature age draftees.

Try 750k on Dane beams...

Develop our talent developing our own talent got us superstars in boak and pearce

 

[Schulzenfest]

Try 750k on Dane beams...

Develop our talent developing our own talent got us superstars in boak and pearce

If Dayne Beams was at Port Adelaide, he'd be getting a hard tag every week, probably only performing marginally better at best than guys like Boak and you'd be complaining that we were paying him 750k when he's not worth it.

Until we have a team full of guys who are as good as Boak or thereabouts, Boak will continue to be overpaid. Travis shouldn't be the one who has to go because of how shit the rest of the list is. You're worrying about the symptom when you should be worrying about the cause.

 

[Doctor Feel]

From GWS, Jonathon Giles is out of contract at the end of the year.

Sam Schulz, Stephen Clifton, Anthony Miles and Gerald Ugle are probably on the bubble.

I'd be looking long and hard at Tungtalum from Hills Eagles as a small forward.

GWS probably wont be using our 3rd picks and later, and might make them available in a trade.

Spending that kind of money on more or less unproven kids is just as suicidal as de-listing all of our best players with the logic of them being too expensive for little output.

EDIT: We delisted Giles only a few years ago. Like he will ever come back.

Try 750k on Dane beams...

Develop our talent developing our own talent got us superstars in boak and pearce

Oh yeah, since we will ever become a good club without developing our own talent. See the bigger picture please.

 

[FishingRick04]

A new coach is more likely to instil some hardness and intensity into players who are lacking it than to magically fix up the lack of talent of guys like Thomas and Logan.

Who said those two? I would hope Newton and Pittard etc push em out, so far they haven't. We all are waiting for it to happen maybe soon.

 

[BIG MATTY T]

If Dayne Beams was at Port Adelaide, he'd be getting a hard tag every week, probably only performing marginally better at best than guys like Boak and you'd be complaining that we were paying him 750k when he's not worth it.

Until we have a team full of guys who are as good as Boak or thereabouts, Boak will continue to be overpaid. Travis shouldn't be the one who has to go because of how shit the rest of the list is.

Really ...really boak is playing shit because of the rest of team...see I just can't argue with that logic I just don't want to begin too...if that's your option fine but I ain't going to argue this any further

And beams does get tagged granted collingwood midfield is much superior to ours but beams does get tagged.

 

[FishingRick04]

Spending that kind of money on more or less unproven kids is just as suicidal as de-listing all of our best players with the logic of them being too expensive for little output.

EDIT: We delisted Giles only a few years ago. Like he will ever come back.



Oh yeah, since we will ever become a good club without developing our own talent. See the bigger picture please.

I wouldnt stress abiut Ianw, he's been here before trying to tell us we need a few more mature aged lower level players to get us out of it, just like GWS did!!!!!

 

[Schulzenfest]

No, you're still totally missing the point.

Boak is getting paid 500k because the rest of the team is worth less money than him and we have to pay somebody due to the AFL's salary cap rules. It would cost a lot more than 500k to get a player who is the equivalent of Boak to Port Adelaide, because that player wouldn't have the lures of loyalty and mates that Boak has. If you disagree with either of the above two statements, you're wrong.

 

[BIG MATTY T]

Spending that kind of money on more or less unproven kids is just as suicidal as de-listing all of our best players with the logic of them being too expensive for little output.

EDIT: We delisted Giles only a few years ago. Like he will ever c


Oh yeah, since we will ever become a good club without developing our own talent. See the bigger picture please.

Put your faith in this currently talented list...I am looking elsewhere...agree to disagree

 

[BIG MATTY T]

No, you're still totally missing the point.

Boak is getting paid 500k because the rest of the team is worth less money than him and we have to pay somebody due to the AFL's salary cap rules. It would cost a lot more than 500k to get a player who is the equivalent of Boak to Port Adelaide, because that player wouldn't have the lures of loyalty and mates that Boak has. If you disagree with either of the above two statements, you're wrong.

equivalent to boak...
D beams 750k > boak 500-650k

 

[FishingRick04]

Im happy to trust the list just not Brett, Westhoff, Chappy, Bobby, Logan and Thomas.

 

[IanW]

Spending that kind of money on more or less unproven kids is just as suicidal as de-listing all of our best players with the logic of them being too expensive for little output.

EDIT: We delisted Giles only a few years ago. Like he will ever come back.



Oh yeah, since we will ever become a good club without developing our own talent. See the bigger picture please.

Blissid,

Footballers are flexible creatures, and the coach that wouldnt pick him is now at GWS. You might be surprised what a large enough cheque will do ... and at worse, the offer to Giles might make us raise our bid to him, chewing up our cap room.

None of the other players I listed would cost more than minimum wage and a two year deal, and GWS probably wouldnt care that much about trading them (we need to cut our list down).

Heres an old thread about Miles, by the way.

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/anthony-miles.713774/

 

[BIG MATTY T]

Im happy to trust the list just not Brett, Westhoff, Chappy, Bobby, Logan and Thomas.

Why is boak and Pearce exempt from the group? If we are putting our faith in these 2 being our best we are screwed...just like trengove ..and hh I still have a small glimmer of hope for him ...

 

[FishingRick04]

Why is boak and Pearce exempt from the group? If we are putting our faith in these 2 being our best we are screwed...just like trengove ..and hh I still have a small glimmer of hope for him ...

I forgot Pearce.

Boak can do it

 

[Doctor Feel]

Why is boak and Pearce exempt from the group? If we are putting our faith in these 2 being our best we are screwed...just like trengove ..and hh I still have a small glimmer of hope for him ...

They are our best, FOR NOW. We can't just sack the entire list at the end of the year.

 

[BIG MATTY T]

They are our best, FOR NOW. We can't just sack the entire list at the end of the year.

Our best? ...really our best boak had 2 decent performances all year one was against a winless gc and the other was against melb...

And Pearce's for goes up and down like a yoyo no idea what he will throw up god knows what his form is like

 

[BIG MATTY T]

I forgot Pearce.

Boak can do it

I just don't have any faith in boak like you do ...but I respect your opinion on the guy

 

[Doctor Feel]

Our best? ...really our best boak had 2 decent performances all year one was against a winless gc and the other was against melb...

And Pearce's for goes up and down like a yoyo no idea what he will throw up god knows what his form is like

The logic is pretty clear, put either of Boak or Pearce in a well coached, resourced and decent team. They will be somewhere between stars and superstars.

Put just about any of our other players in the same scenario and they would still be shit.

 

[BIG MATTY T]

The logic is pretty clear, put either of Boak or Pearce in a well coached, resourced and decent team. They will be somewhere between stars and superstars.

Put just about any of our other players in the same scenario and they would still be shit.

No that's hypothetical not logic...

I heard that same logic used on thomilf as well