List Mgmt. List Management Thread

[Mostyn]

I don't think it's that crazy for leek ... he's a kpd ... what was crazy was Essendon paying like 900k for mckay who was shit his entire career and even more shit since moving. Leek had shown more already. Actually this comparison is similar to the obrien and draper discussion. Draper at 900k is way overs. Ridiculous is we are even considering that. He's not a good fit for our profile. We need a pure ruck and draper is not it.

No one needs a pure ruck. You need a passable ruck who can contribute around the ground

 

[Slim258]

Not really crows related but there was some talk about us getting Leek Aleer

This is an insane offer by st Kilda

4 years ago, 750k each

Someone shared a rumor last year indicating that if Aleer was to move it'd be to SA for family reasons.
From memory, they didn't name Aleer as such but all details pointed to him.

 

[Velvet George]

Ridiculous insult. The most smooth brained opinion ever offered is "it's a contract year, so now he's trying".

ROB has gone through periods of carrying injury, of being surrounded by a mediocre midfield, of loss of confidence.

If we re-sign him, we have to assume he'll have periods where he reverts to the mean and drops some marks, because frankly skills aren't really his thing.

He WILL be extraordinarily well prepared, he'll do exactly what's asked by the coaches and teammates and he'll absolutely play his role. Frankly, that's probably enough, compared to the high risk version of Draper

lol, after 3 years of poor form he’s playing better just because.

Can you explain why when he’s been dropped over previous years he’s rebounded well?

The kicker though is in case you needed more proof, why haven’t we been jumping over backwards to re-sign him and instead going for high risk version of Draper?

 

[Slim258]

No one needs a pure ruck. You need a passable ruck who can contribute around the ground

Is Draper the right call, maybe, maybe not. But I imagine Ogilvie, Reid and Balme will be looking at this exactly "What does he offer us and what do we lose"
He's nowhere near ROB at contested marks, but with time in the gym - he could get there, plus he moves better, uses it better and he spends less time in the ruck itself, but is also more dynamic and can go forward, which allows us to push Thilthorpe as the second string ruck, when he is in there its like having a 4th Mid because he is a clearance beast.

 

[Golumless]

That’s ridiculous money

I see Bobby Hill in that clip there too , “personal reasons “ 4 weeks .. his own inability to zip it might cost him a crack at another flag

Collingwood aren't dropping Bobby Hill, even if he tells the world he's gone.

 

[Viva la Mattner]

Collingwood aren't dropping Bobby Hill, even if he tells the world he's gone.

They won't want to, but there is a very good chance he'll be an Eagle or Docker by the end of the trade period

 

[Mutineer]

Is Draper the right call, maybe, maybe not. But I imagine Ogilvie, Reid and Balme will be looking at this exactly "What does he offer us and what do we lose"
He's nowhere near ROB at contested marks, but with time in the gym - he could get there, plus he moves better, uses it better and he spends less time in the ruck itself, but is also more dynamic and can go forward, which allows us to push Thilthorpe as the second string ruck, when he is in there its like having a 4th Mid because he is a clearance beast.

Seriously Draper has been on an AFL list for long enough that it is highly unlikely he's going to exponentially improve his strength to any great extent in the gym at this point of his career.

We do not want Thilthorpe doing more ruck.

Thilthorpe is a Forward weapon and that is his major value to us not hacking around in the ruck.

 

[Golumless]

They won't want to, but there is a very good chance he'll be an Eagle or Docker by the end of the trade period

And for Collingwood, that's probably OK. Get another flag with Bobby as one of your best 22 and they probably don't care all that much. If not, it was better to have not gone down wondering.

 

[Slim258]

Seriously Draper has been on an AFL list for long enough that it is highly unlikely he's going to exponentially improve his strength to any great extent in the gym at this point of his career.

We do not want Thilthorpe doing more ruck.

Thilthorpe is a Forward weapon and that is his major value to us not hacking around in the ruck.

I disagree with this, the Bombers strength and conditioning coach is no good, just look at their injury list and unless anything significant changes Burgess will still be with us next year.
Dawson - flighty winger/half back now inside midfield bull
Rankine - used to shake tackles now throwing Don't argues without issue
Tex - pure longevity late into his career when he was done in 2021 and Burgess arrives in what 2022?
The list goes on.

You may disagree, but I honestly think you will be surprised if Draper does come across.

 

[Mutineer]

I disagree with this, the Bombers strength and conditioning coach is no good, just look at their injury list and unless anything significant changes Burgess will still be with us next year.
Dawson - flighty winger/half back now inside midfield bull
Rankine - used to shake tackles now throwing Don't argues without issue
Tex - pure longevity late into his career when he was done in 2021 and Burgess arrives in what 2022?
The list goes on.

You may disagree, but I honestly think you will be surprised if Draper does come across.

There's a lot more to having a fit list than just strength and conditioning i.e. medicos, physios etc.

The Dons current strength and conditioning guy has been with them less than 2 years, Draper's been there much longer than that.

We do not want probably our most important asset Riley Thilthorpe hacking around in the ruck any more than is absolutely required to give our RUCKMAN a chop out...that's where ROB's key attributes come into play...endurance and durability.

 

[Hell Boy6669]

So at what point is NWM a certainty to request a trade? Guessing if he hasn’t signed by end of July.

 

[Trigger13]

So at what point is NWM a certainty to request a trade? Guessing if he hasn’t signed by end of July.

You would think he’s just waiting for the season to lapse before he nominates the rebuilding club down the road. Because, apparently, he wants to have a kick and catch with his yo-chi-loving mates as opposed to winning a flag.

Because, make no mistake, he would put us straight into REAL contention next year.

 

[spenze]

So at what point is NWM a certainty to request a trade? Guessing if he hasn’t signed by end of July.

He's not staying at St Kilda and will be going from one club spending years in the widerness to another

 

[spenze]

lol, after 3 years of poor form he’s playing better just because.

Can you explain why when he’s been dropped over previous years he’s rebounded well?

The kicker though is in case you needed more proof, why haven’t we been jumping over backwards to re-sign him and instead going for high risk version of Draper?

I think that with the contract we have given Rob and the fact we aren't budging on it shows that we have a replacement and we are hoping to move Rob and get a compo pick in the second round.

That says to me that the list management team have certainly had their fill of Rob dialling in matches that have turned into seasons and made a plan for when his contract finishes. Rob displaying what he can do, after we wouldn't budge on better than a "**** off son" contract only shows the cynicism that his workrate is (If I have to, I will try harder) which is entirely the point of moving him on.

Him coming good now, has only proven the list management teams view of Rob. Our club certainly doesn't want to pay for the output Rob gives, unless it is bargain basement rates and we play him as a back up in the magoos. It did seem weird that we brought back Strachan but maybe that was just to test the waters of having two proper rucks in our SANFL team idf we can't offload him.

 

[jo172]

I think that with the contract we have given Rob and the fact we aren't budging on it shows that we have a replacement and we are hoping to move Rob and get a compo pick in the second round.

That says to me that the list management team have certainly had their fill of Rob dialling in matches that have turned into seasons and made a plan for when his contract finishes. Rob displaying what he can do, after we wouldn't budge on better than a "**** off son" contract only shows the cynicism that his workrate is (If I have to, I will try harder) which is entirely the point of moving him on.

Him coming good now, has only proven the list management teams view of Rob. Our club certainly doesn't want to pay for the output Rob gives, unless it is bargain basement rates and we play him as a back up in the magoos. It did seem weird that we brought back Strachan but maybe that was just to test the waters of having two proper rucks in our SANFL team idf we can't offload him.

I thought you don't get compo if you bring a free agent in?

 

[spenze]

I thought you don't get compo if you bring a free agent in?

Hmmm, true that, was only thinking of the pick benefit of moving him on and us not having a second.

 

[Viva la Mattner]

You would think he’s just waiting for the season to lapse before he nominates the rebuilding club down the road. Because, apparently, he wants to have a kick and catch with his yo-chi-loving mates as opposed to winning a flag.

Because, make no mistake, he would put us straight into REAL contention next year.

The talk of offer being hugely front loaded leaves me with a breadcrumb of hope he nominate AFC

I cannot see how Port can afford to front load him that much with the deals they have already, plus the offer to Butters which will be next level, and there is no way Butters back ends it incase he decides he wants to head home halfway through, the deal would be a noose around his neck and deter potential clubs

 

[Mutineer]

I think that with the contract we have given Rob and the fact we aren't budging on it shows that we have a replacement and we are hoping to move Rob and get a compo pick in the second round.

That says to me that the list management team have certainly had their fill of Rob dialling in matches that have turned into seasons and made a plan for when his contract finishes. Rob displaying what he can do, after we wouldn't budge on better than a "**** off son" contract only shows the cynicism that his workrate is (If I have to, I will try harder) which is entirely the point of moving him on.

Him coming good now, has only proven the list management teams view of Rob. Our club certainly doesn't want to pay for the output Rob gives, unless it is bargain basement rates and we play him as a back up in the magoos. It did seem weird that we brought back Strachan but maybe that was just to test the waters of having two proper rucks in our SANFL team idf we can't offload him.

If we take Draper who is also free agent there is no compo for ROB who is also an unrestricted free agent....

Forget the compo it ain't happening.

 

[hippyhippy]

You would think he’s just waiting for the season to lapse before he nominates the rebuilding club down the road. Because, apparently, he wants to have a kick and catch with his yo-chi-loving mates as opposed to winning a flag.

Because, make no mistake, he would put us straight into REAL contention next year.

Career wise I think he'd do better here... he's immediately in a premiership window. With port it will be like he's with the Saints.. struggling team.. especially with what they'll have to give up for him given they have nothing in the draft.

But all rumours point to port unfortunately for us... at least we should put big bucks in the table to drive up Port's price

 

[Samcro24]

Ridiculous insult. The most smooth brained opinion ever offered is "it's a contract year, so now he's trying".

ROB has gone through periods of carrying injury, of being surrounded by a mediocre midfield, of loss of confidence.

If we re-sign him, we have to assume he'll have periods where he reverts to the mean and drops some marks, because frankly skills aren't really his thing.

He WILL be extraordinarily well prepared, he'll do exactly what's asked by the coaches and teammates and he'll absolutely play his role. Frankly, that's probably enough, compared to the high risk version of Draper

His best form has always been under pressure. First displacing Jacobs, then getting a long term contract, after being dropped and now as he's waiting on a deal.

There's a huge sample size, it couldn't be more obvious.

 

[Eddie Murphy]

Keep ROB and grab someone like a Smith, Goad or Dodson with a F2 would be my preference.

This is absolutely what we have to do. Don’t let ROB get comfortable. Gives us ROB’s successor and ROB’s motivation to maintain form in one list spot.

 

[Peter Doherty]

His best form has always been under pressure. First displacing Jacobs, then getting a long term contract, after being dropped and now as he's waiting on a deal.

There's a huge sample size, it couldn't be more obvious.

What do you think we should do?

I'm inclined to give him 3 years and hope for the best.

The other options don't look that great.

 

[Mutineer]

This is absolutely what we have to do. Don’t let ROB get comfortable. Gives us ROB’s successor and ROB’s motivation to maintain form in one list spot.

Why hasn't McAndrew's recent presence been factored into ROB's current form more for that express reason, surely ROB has to see the younger McAndrew as a bigger threat to his position than Strachan has been being of a similar age and height? McAndrew dominates the SANFL similar to Strachan and that extra height certainly isn't a hindrance?

 

[Scorpus]

What do you think we should do?

I'm inclined to give him 3 years and hope for the best.

The other options don't look that great.

Give him a contract but plan to replace him as soon as 2027

 

[Peter Doherty]

Give him a contract but plan to replace him as soon as 2027

Can we bring someone in this year with 2027 in mind?

I like the sounds of it.

Will anyone want to come after we've just signed ROB for 3 years? May cost us $$