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[spenze]

Has shown enough. Will be a gun. We went early with out offers to Dawson and Rankine - before they truly broke out
Phillipou the same, 5 of his last 7 matches he has had over 20 (up to 26) touches, twice had 9 tackles - and hit the scoreboard in 5 games

Get him fit under Burgo and he would be the last piece we need

If the Saints asked for our first picks this and next for him, I'd go in on him

 

[WeeBlake]

Given he has shown nothing at this level as a midfielder I wouldn't go near him. A 1st round pick for an injury riddled flanker, no thanks.

“Nothing”

'He filled me with confidence': Phillipou's Sandy stretch paves the way for Saints starring role

Mattaes Phillipou’s directive when coming out of the senior line-up for the first time in lieu of a stint in the VFL was simple: hone your midfield craft and don’t be afraid to take the game apart.

www.saints.com.au

 

[Soggy2112]

Given he has shown nothing at this level as a midfielder I wouldn't go near him. A 1st round pick for an injury riddled flanker, no thanks.

He has shown plenty at this level. He just hasn’t consistently put it together yet.

What we did with Dawson and Rankine was we picked them right as they were about to hit their peak. It meant that while we paid a lot, we didn’t pay anywhere near what they’d have been worth two years later.

It’s always a gamble, but if you’re trying to keep bringing quality in to your list, and you’re not necessarily at the pointy end of the draft, as we won’t be this year and hopefully for a while in the future, I think it’s one worth taking.

I’m sure he’d be on the list for our recruiters, but if it were to happen I’d say it’d be next year when he’s out of contract.

 

[azza77]

What’s the go with Henry Smith, SA forward/ruck at Brisbane? Barely played much as he’s developed in the reserves but also always had Hipwood/Danniher/Morris and McInerney/Fort ahead of him.

Spent all of this year out with a foot injury and concussion, but is finally back and hit the ground running from where he last left off.

Anyone more in the know think he’s any good? Can he be a full time ruck? His VFL numbers are also very, very good, especially with his around the ground work.
With Tex near the end and Welsh an unknown, he’s the perfect age at 22 to inject straight our squad after Brisbane have spent Thea’s 4 years developing him nicely.

With Fort getting on and question marks whether McInernery’s body can go any longer, I think now is the best time to strike and prise him out before he works his way into the 22 and his value goes up.

 

[Amacca 23]

What’s the go with Henry Smith, SA forward/ruck at Brisbane? Barely played much as he’s developed in the reserves but also always had Hipwood/Danniher/Morris and McInerney/Fort ahead of him.

Spent all of this year out with a foot injury and concussion, but is finally back and hit the ground running from where he last left off.

Anyone more in the know think he’s any good? Can he be a full time ruck? His VFL numbers are also very, very good, especially with his around the ground work.
With Tex near the end and Welsh an unknown, he’s the perfect age at 22 to inject straight our squad after Brisbane have spent Thea’s 4 years developing him nicely.

With Fort getting on and question marks whether McInernery’s body can go any longer, I think now is the best time to strike and prise him out before he works his way into the 22 and his value goes up.

Been saying all year i hope they have targeted him and especially if draper is going there

 

[ams4crows]

So, you're not in favour of equalisation?

It's not equalisation though, in what world is Oscar Allen worth pick 2 and Buddy Franklin pick 19??

A set pick should be what FA compo is, none of this based on ladder position.

 

[BRL121]

It's not equalisation though, in what world is Oscar Allen worth pick 2 and Buddy Franklin pick 19??

A set pick should be what FA compo is, none of this based on ladder position.

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It's the very definition of equalisation. The lower team gets a greater benefit than a higher team. The "worth" of different players is irrelevant, apart from their received salaries.

 

[Mostyn]

It's not equalisation though, in what world is Oscar Allen worth pick 2 and Buddy Franklin pick 19??

A set pick should be what FA compo is, none of this based on ladder position.

When a player is taken from a bottom team by a premiership contender, they should get better compo, because the loss is more impactful.

We want to encourage movement of players from top teams to lower teams, to help equalization. The opposite has been what has been happening.

 

[Golumless]

What’s the go with Henry Smith, SA forward/ruck at Brisbane? Barely played much as he’s developed in the reserves but also always had Hipwood/Danniher/Morris and McInerney/Fort ahead of him.

Spent all of this year out with a foot injury and concussion, but is finally back and hit the ground running from where he last left off.

Anyone more in the know think he’s any good? Can he be a full time ruck? His VFL numbers are also very, very good, especially with his around the ground work.
With Tex near the end and Welsh an unknown, he’s the perfect age at 22 to inject straight our squad after Brisbane have spent Thea’s 4 years developing him nicely.

With Fort getting on and question marks whether McInernery’s body can go any longer, I think now is the best time to strike and prise him out before he works his way into the 22 and his value goes up.

He's probably a spud if Brisbane are targeting Draper.

 

[Mostyn]

It's not equalisation though, in what world is Oscar Allen worth pick 2 and Buddy Franklin pick 19??

A set pick should be what FA compo is, none of this based on ladder position.

Also - they got the same compensation for those two players. It's only fair to make it a standard first round pick, so bad sides aren't made worse

 

[bmac84]

When a player is taken from a bottom team by a premiership contender, they should get better compo, because the loss is more impactful.

We want to encourage movement of players from top teams to lower teams, to help equalization. The opposite has been what has been happening.

Compo should have been scrapped a long time ago. If u want to keep your best players then pay up or run your team better. Your compo is the salary cap space to go after someone else.

 

[Pea Nut]

Also - they got the same compensation for those two players. It's only fair to make it a standard first round pick, so bad sides aren't made worse

Wouldn’t making it a standard pick make bad teams worse ?? Look at what we went through when we kept getting mid first round picks because of middling finishes. If a bottom 4 team was to lose one of their best players and got a mid first round or end of first round pick as compensation, they will stay terrible.

 

[Danger in Texas]

Anyone who watched the Lions vs Suns game - did Alex Davies look good? Had 30 touches, but did he generally look more impactful than a Matt Crouch

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Matt Crouch

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31

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181cm

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85kg

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Mid

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Last 5

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28.4

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K

12.0

4star

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16.4

5star

M

3.3

3star

T

3.9

5star

CL

4.8

5star

D

24.9

5star

K

9.7

4star

HB

15.1

5star

M

2.4

3star

T

2.4

3star

CL

4.4

5star

D

21.2

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10.4

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10.8

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M

4.4

4star

T

3.4

5star

CL

2.0

4star

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[Golumless]

Compo should have been scrapped a long time ago. If u want to keep your best players then pay up or run your team better. Your compo is the salary cap space to go after someone else.

Problem is your forced to spend 95% of your salary cap at all times, so that's not compensation.

I think they're getting closer to the money with compensation considering that proposal. Have something like designated compo zones like pick 10-, 18-, etc depending on band and finishing position.

 

[Soggy2112]

When a player is taken from a bottom team by a premiership contender, they should get better compo, because the loss is more impactful.

We want to encourage movement of players from top teams to lower teams, to help equalization. The opposite has been what has been happening.

This is a myth.

If we look at the more significant player movements money, lifestyle and opportunity are just as significant factors as position on ladder.

We as Adelaide fans should know that more than anyone. When we were competing for top four we couldn’t land anyone, once we had a bit more cash we all of a sudden could get heaps of players. That’s equalisation working effectively.

 

[PeterSalt]

Also - they got the same compensation for those two players. It's only fair to make it a standard first round pick, so bad sides aren't made worse

Fair enough for the club losing the player, what about the other 3-5+ clubs that are also struggling and getting pushed further down the draft order?

 

[Golumless]

Fair enough for the club losing the player, what about the other 3-5+ clubs that are also struggling and getting pushed further down the draft order?

Tough shit, they didn't lose a key player so they're already better off.

Really, pick 2 or 3, 4 or 5 makes little difference if you've got the right people in place. If you don't, all it changes is the kid you are ruining.

 

[PeterSalt]

Tough shit, they didn't lose a key player so they're already better off.

Really, pick 2 or 3, 4 or 5 makes little difference if you've got the right people in place. If you don't, all it changes is the kid you are ruining.

lol .. well that's 1 of the arguments being presented for a change to the rankings

I in the same boat as others who think that pick 19 for Buddy is manifestly unfair. And pick 2-3 for spuds like McKay, Allen, Draper is complete and utter BS

 

[Velvet George]

lol .. well that's 1 of the arguments being presented for a change to the rankings

I in the same boat as others who think that pick 19 for Buddy is manifestly unfair. And pick 2-3 for spuds like McKay, Allen, Draper is complete and utter BS

The compo is designed to help struggling teams so if the better more attractive teams cherry pick their players they get compo to help them rebuild. What’s the issue with that?

Do you want the strong teams to keep getting stronger at the shit clubs expense? Would you have complained had we got pick 2 for Crouch?

 

[Soggy2112]

The compo is designed to help struggling teams so if the better more attractive teams cherry pick their players they get compo to help them rebuild. What’s the issue with that?

Do you want the strong teams to keep getting stronger at the shit clubs expense? Would you have complained had we got pick 2 for Crouch?

This just isn’t happening though.

This is the list of free agency moves that resulted in first round compensation, and the ladder positions of those clubs that year:

2024
Battle - St Kilda (12th) to Hawthorn (7th)
Cumming - GWS (4th) to Adelaide (15th)
Perryman - GWS (4th) to Collingwood (9th)

2023
Doedee - Adelaide (10th) to Brisbane (2nd)
McKay - North (17th) to Essendon (11th)
Gresham - St Kilda (6th) to Essendon (11th)

2020
Daniher - Essendon (13th) to Brisbane (2nd)
Williams - GWS (10th) to Carlton (11th)

2018
Lynch - Gold Coast (17th) to Richmond (1st)
Lycett - West Coast (2nd) to Port (10th)

2017
Rockliff - Brisbane (18th) to Port (5th)
Motlop - Geelong (2nd) to Port (5th)

2014
Frawley - Melbourne (17th) to Hawthorn (2nd)

2013
Franklin - Hawthorn (1st) to Sydney (4th)
Thomas - Collingwood (6th) to Carlton (9th)

In 8 of those 15 moves, the player has moved to a club that finished lower than their original club. That is the salary cap working as an equalisation measure, and providing compensation only undermines that.

In the moves that would be concerning, Frawley, Rockliff, Lynch and Daniher, only Frawley was an unrestricted free agent. Meaning that those clubs could have matched the offer (as we did with Dangerfield), and forced a trade.

In 12 years of free agency being in place, we have seen that money, lifestyle and on field opportunities are just as significant factors for player movement as chasing success is. We have also only seen one move, where a player on a big contract has moved from a weak club, to a strong club as an unrestricted free agent.

Free agency compensation messes with a draft that is already watered down by academy and F/S picks. It is a messy and ineffective solution to a problem that does not exist in the first place.

 

[Mostyn]

This is a myth.

If we look at the more significant player movements money, lifestyle and opportunity are just as significant factors as position on ladder.

We as Adelaide fans should know that more than anyone. When we were competing for top four we couldn’t land anyone, once we had a bit more cash we all of a sudden could get heaps of players. That’s equalisation working effectively.

That's actually an interesting point.

My thinking is because of the players like Tom Lynch, but maybe the reality is different.

 

[WeeBlake]

For NWM, I would trade our next 2 firsts and any player not in this list:

TT
Curtin
Soligo
Worrell
Keane
Max
Dawson
Rankine
Rachele

 

[Velvet George]

For NWM, I would trade our next 2 firsts and any player not in this list:

TT
Curtin
Soligo
Worrell
Keane
Max
Dawson
Rankine
Rachele

Fog? Lose Tex and Fog and there goes our forward line

 

[Gtowncrow]

For NWM, I would trade our next 2 firsts and any player not in this list:

TT
Curtin
Soligo
Worrell
Keane
Max
Dawson
Rankine
Rachele

Early days to be sure but Sid Draper out for NWM in seems too much of a sideway move to use two 1st's on.

 

[Trigger13]

Early days to be sure but Sid Draper out for NWM in seems too much of a sideway move to use two 1st's on.

Would trade Draper and two firsts without blinking.