List Mgmt. List Management Thread

[ABAB]

Does the club need to employ an 'expert outsider' who follows the club very closely but from outside the four walls. There just seems to be such a conservative group think from the football department. Needs to be some blunt truths, or at least questions, coming from the outside.

Now, there would definitely be things the outsider would not be privy too that would explain certain decisions/selections but where is the voice going:

• wtf are we shooting ourselves in the foot with this game plan we can't execute with this squad and it's running counter to the emerging style
• wtf are we selecting Jones, Murphy, McHenry etc etc instead of guys with far higher ceiling
• wtf do we shit the bed by going defensive so early every time we have the lead
• wtf are our top-ups taking most of the midfield spots in the SANFL

Could go on for pages but where is the critical voice of reason that can overcome the group think? Not that it will always be right of course but who challenges this stuff? Is it simply that the buck stops with Nicks anyway and that's the problem?

I would have thought all those point is what Nicks wanted and think is the correct way??? Clearly, the board has questioned them which is why they only gave him 1 year extension after finishing Minor Premiers.

 

[cmndstab]

Well Hamish certainly didn't think that if you listen to his interviews regards the players post having drafted them.

I'm aware, yes. Hamish also knew Edwards was a midfielder, but we still found a way to waste his 2025 season playing him in defence.

 

[jackster83]

Yep, its all doom and gloom. Let me bring some sunshine into your day here mate:

So the AFL calls in Crows Executives over summer asking how we have effectively executed the near-perfect complete rebuild which has set us up for years to come. They havent asked any other club this question. One of the longer premiership windows I can recall lasting well into next decade.

We have gone and poached many of the best in the business - Burgess (for many years - as long as he lasts anywhere) and then a highly regarded replacement to compliment our leading weights guy. Plus Balme, Gallagher, Murray Davis, Dan Jackson and Shane Edwards to an already experienced coaching panel.

Then bring in the best recruits, or very close to, in our history over a few yr period - Dawson, Rankine, ANB, Peatling (beating 6-7 other teams for this non SA boys signature), Cumming, Ah Chee and clear front runners for Bailey. Many adding both leadership AND finals success (shrewd choices)

Drafted as many young guns as we have had since our inception - TT, Rash, Soli, Max, Curtin, Draper and more

Picked up NUMEROUS freebies that are good to excellent players - Keane, Murray, Mc Andrew, Hinge, Keays and more (inc Cottons potential)

All these combined have seen our list management close to league best this decade WHILST retaining all key players. CULTURE

We have a linear improvement 'model rebuild' with the 2024 year the one exception.

We win 18 games last year and have our GREATEST ever minor round in our history before underwhelming finals (injuries/suspensions to 3 of our 5 most elite players), finals inexperience, a horrendous flu going thru the club impacting BOTH finals weeks, and yes a degree of finals choking

So you understand all of the above seemingly but only perceive negatives, or certainly a distinct lack of reasoned balanced. Seriously, I dont just get the mindset of so many on here.

Lots of good times are coming over the next 5-7 years. Please just be open to actually enjoying it

Bloody hell, you can tell the Queensland Breakfast Club is getting their free lunch this week.

 

[Samcro24]

Yep, its all doom and gloom. Let me bring some sunshine into your day here mate:

So the AFL calls in Crows Executives over summer asking how we have effectively executed the near-perfect complete rebuild which has set us up for years to come. They havent asked any other club this question. One of the longer premiership windows I can recall lasting well into next decade.

We have gone and poached many of the best in the business - Burgess (for many years - as long as he lasts anywhere) and then a highly regarded replacement to compliment our leading weights guy. Plus Balme, Gallagher, Murray Davis, Dan Jackson and Shane Edwards to an already experienced coaching panel.

Then bring in the best recruits, or very close to, in our history over a few yr period - Dawson, Rankine, ANB, Peatling (beating 6-7 other teams for this non SA boys signature), Cumming, Ah Chee and clear front runners for Bailey. Many adding both leadership AND finals success (shrewd choices)

Drafted as many young guns as we have had since our inception - TT, Rash, Soli, Max, Curtin, Draper and more

Picked up NUMEROUS freebies that are good to excellent players - Keane, Murray, Mc Andrew, Hinge, Keays and more (inc Cottons potential)

All these combined have seen our list management close to league best this decade WHILST retaining all key players. CULTURE

We have a linear improvement 'model rebuild' with the 2024 year the one exception.

We win 18 games last year and have our GREATEST ever minor round in our history before underwhelming finals (injuries/suspensions to 3 of our 5 most elite players), finals inexperience, a horrendous flu going thru the club impacting BOTH finals weeks, and yes a degree of finals choking

So you understand all of the above seemingly but only perceive negatives, or certainly a distinct lack of reasoned balanced. Seriously, I dont just get the mindset of so many on here.

Lots of good times are coming over the next 5-7 years. Please just be open to actually enjoying it

Completely agree
We’re the envy of the league, just sit back and watch the flags roll in

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

Those two clearly have a different role, I can’t think of anyone who has succeeded or got numbers there, pedlar, cook etc
It’s just a place we dump kids or mids we don’t want to play as a mid.

My preference is to only play one of keays or ANB and give one of their roles to someone else.
But I think we just need to be more understanding of the other role and that it’s not a high possession role.
Pedlar is the one I have most hopes for.

I would let Keays walk at the end of this season, especially if we get Bailey

 

[Velvet George]

Because it's vastly the most likely outcome, same as it was with Worrell. Fans get upset when the kids don't get debuted immediately, but the players themselves know that they're teenagers within a professional environment, and that they're being supported to develop to their best possible player. Edwards had a fair bit to work on.

You peddling the same Worrell bullshit?

 

[Cromulant]

I would let Keays walk at the end of this season, especially if we get Bailey

Theres a few on the list before him that will go, quite a few.

 

[Velvet George]

Below average for about the last decade.

Definitely a reluctance to blood young players early on, sure there are exceptions like Worrell who had difficulties with what was expected of an AFL player in his preparation and recovery but in the main quite a few have been held back even when the incumbents in the AFL team aren't exactly shooting the lights out. Take Oscar Ryan clearly his first season was way superior to anything he's shown since.

Worrell should have been playing earlier than he did in his breakout year, we preferred an injured Doedee. Just like we’ve preferred an underdone Soligo this year.

Facts are we wouldn’t have seen Edwards playing yet without the Dawson tragedy. Posters can’t now say we’ve handled the timing of his debut well.

 

[Crowtel]

You peddling the same Worrell bullshit?

Let's not forget him defending Curtin being played as a KPD in the SANFL too

 

[Slippery Pete]

Bloody hell, you can tell the Queensland Breakfast Club is getting their free lunch this week.

“We have a linear improvement ‘model rebuild’ with the 2024 year the one exception”

Reminded me of….

 

[GreyCrow]

I would let Keays walk at the end of this season, especially if we get Bailey

I dont think it happens - as noted there are a few ahead of him

But I would not take up arms if he left

 

[Cromulant]

I dont think it happens - as noted there are a few ahead of him

But I would not take up arms if he left

I do wonder what you'd get for someone like Ben, and who would be best placed to take him on ??

 

[GreyCrow]

I do wonder what you'd get for someone like Ben,

Recent Blight winner - but at 30 he wont be valued as high

2nd and 3rd rounder?

and who would be best placed to take him on ??

Depends on the coaches philosophies. The easy answer is to say Richmond or West Coast but I think they want to run their youngsters through the flanks

I dont know - I do know he will be getting a lot more scrutiny this year

 

[Cromulant]

Recent Blight winner - but at 30 he wont be valued as high

2nd and 3rd rounder?

Depends on the coaches philosophies. The easy answer is to say Richmond or West Coast but I think they want to run their youngsters through the flanks

I dont know - I do know he will be getting a lot more scrutiny this year

I thought similar, but I reckon at his age and lack of success somewhere like Richmond isnt an appealing destination, nor will they likely be willing to give up much of value.

We have no real small forward depth so I doubt we'll move him on, but the pressure will be on if his performances dont improve.

 

[Velvet George]

Let's not forget him defending Curtin being played as a KPD in the SANFL too

It’s almost as if his opinion is “whatever the Crows think”

 

[Mostyn]

“I knew I was coming from a fair way back- but I didn’t think that far”

Fair to say he felt his debut could have happened earlier. Like the upset fans.

Yep, and about a dozen times he mentioned how excited and happy he was.

You sure he's not just saying that he had a wake-up call about what was involved? I'm sure a lot of kids come in and get a bit of shock.

He's now got some good size and is playing the role we'd want him in going forward.

 

[spenze]

Yep, its all doom and gloom. Let me bring some sunshine into your day here mate:

So the AFL calls in Crows Executives over summer asking how we have effectively executed the near-perfect complete rebuild which has set us up for years to come. They havent asked any other club this question. One of the longer premiership windows I can recall lasting well into next decade.

We have gone and poached many of the best in the business - Burgess (for many years - as long as he lasts anywhere) and then a highly regarded replacement to compliment our leading weights guy. Plus Balme, Gallagher, Murray Davis, Dan Jackson and Shane Edwards to an already experienced coaching panel.

Then bring in the best recruits, or very close to, in our history over a few yr period - Dawson, Rankine, ANB, Peatling (beating 6-7 other teams for this non SA boys signature), Cumming, Ah Chee and clear front runners for Bailey. Many adding both leadership AND finals success (shrewd choices)

Drafted as many young guns as we have had since our inception - TT, Rash, Soli, Max, Curtin, Draper and more

Picked up NUMEROUS freebies that are good to excellent players - Keane, Murray, Mc Andrew, Hinge, Keays and more (inc Cottons potential)

All these combined have seen our list management close to league best this decade WHILST retaining all key players. CULTURE

We have a linear improvement 'model rebuild' with the 2024 year the one exception.

We win 18 games last year and have our GREATEST ever minor round in our history before underwhelming finals (injuries/suspensions to 3 of our 5 most elite players), finals inexperience, a horrendous flu going thru the club impacting BOTH finals weeks, and yes a degree of finals choking

So you understand all of the above seemingly but only perceive negatives, or certainly a distinct lack of reasoned balanced. Seriously, I dont just get the mindset of so many on here.

Lots of good times are coming over the next 5-7 years. Please just be open to actually enjoying it

This is the most Rebakerist thing any Rebakah has ever Rebakahed

 

[hugecannon]

Especially when we had no spots up for grabs in the ones with Laird, Milera, Hinge and Smith all ahead of him in the pecking order.

And Oscar Ryan drafted at the same time.

 

[Mostyn]

It's amazing that we saw a guy with Edwards' frame, his ability to read off hands at stoppages, his burst from congestion

Plus a slightly iffy ball drop

And our thought was "Half Back Flank"

I think it was his willingness to be a straight line runner, and the fact it's an easier position to play while you're still developing.

I don't know if we ultimately felt he'd be that long-term.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

I think it was his willingness to be a straight line runner, and the fact it's an easier position to play while you're still developing.

I don't know if we ultimately felt he'd be that long-term.

I think it was to accommodate Murphy and that top up in our SANFL midfield

And that we are unable to differentiate between a Sheezel/Daicos style mid who'd benefit from some time at half back for their overall development (plus see it as an initial way into the AFL team for them) vs a Cripps type mid who has a completely different skill set.

 

[Scorpus]

I think it was to accommodate Murphy and that top up in our SANFL midfield

And that we are unable to differentiate between a Sheezel/Daicos style mid who'd benefit from some time at half back for their overall development (plus see it as an initial way into the AFL team for them) vs a Cripps type mid who has a completely different skill set.

Also, half back in the SANFL for us is not "run around mopping up the football, getting involved and building confidence"

It's actually a close examination of defensive running patterns and defensive actions. Players spend a lot of fruitless hours trying to pass this test

 

[1990crow]

Also, half back in the SANFL for us is not "run around mopping up the football, getting involved and building confidence"

It's actually a close examination of defensive running patterns and defensive actions. Players spend a lot of fruitless hours trying to pass this test

But why can't we develop any midfielders?

 

[adelaidecrows]

But why can't we develop any midfielders?

because when we do we expect them to earn 50 touches and kick 5 goals every game before we play them otherwise they are potatoes

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

Theres a few on the list before him that will go, quite a few.

What do you mean by go here?

 

[Cromulant]

What do you mean by go here?

Well for starters Keays is under contract and a best 23 lock, so theres that.