List Mgmt. List Management Thread

[Daniel6]

It's only Borlase's 3rd year on the rookie list, so he doesn't need to be upgraded

2027 will be his 5th year on the AFL list.

2023, 2024, 2025, 2026 and 2027.

AFL Tables - James Borlase - Stats - Statistics

 

[Scorpus]

2027 will be his 5th year on the AFL list.

2023, 2024, 2025, 2026 and 2027.

AFL Tables - James Borlase - Stats - Statistics

He was re-rookied at the end of 2023, so he's currently on his 3rd year

 

[dogs105]

Because he sucks

Yeah, but apart from that?

 

[Vader]

Borlase was originally signed as a Cat B rookie in 2020. In 2003, he maxed out his time on the Cat B rookie list and was delisted. We then re-drafted him in the RD, re-setting the clock on his rookie list countdown clock - but he was now a Cat A rookie.

This is Borlase's 6th year on our rookie lists, but only his 3rd year since the last time he was drafted to the rookie list.

As per the post by Daniel6, he now needs to be delisted/re-drafted again, or promoted to the senior list.

 

[Daniel6]

He was re-rookied at the end of 2023, so he's currently on his 3rd year

I honestly didn’t know that was allowed. Oh well, nice little rule to give him a few more years.

 

[Vader]

It's only Borlase's 3rd year on the rookie list, so he doesn't need to be upgraded

Yes, he does. As per the post by Daniel6, players can only remain on the rookie list for a 4th year if they haven't played 10 AFL games. Borlase has played 23 AFL games, so this clause doesn't apply to him.

 

[Vader]

2027 will be his 5th year on the AFL list.

2023, 2024, 2025, 2026 and 2027.

AFL Tables - James Borlase - Stats - Statistics

It's more than that... he was originally signed in 2020, so this is already his 6th season on the list.

Note that he was delisted and re-drafted (as a Cat A rookie) in 2023, which reset the countdown clock. However, given that he's played 23 AFL games, he hits the 3-year rookie list time limit at the end of 2026.

At this point we need to either delist/re-draft him, or promote him to the senior list. Going down the delist/re-draft path seems unnecessarily cruel, given that the club already put him through that in 2023.

 

[Daniel6]

Yes, he does. As per the post by Daniel6, players can only remain on the rookie list for a 4th year if they haven't played 10 AFL games. Borlase has played 23 AFL games, so this clause doesn't apply to him.

Is the AFL the only league in the world with stupid convoluted rules that are impossible to follow.

 

[Vader]

Is the AFL the only league in the world with stupid convoluted rules that are impossible to follow.

I doubt it. Sporting competitions love this shit.

They may, however, be the only league which changes the rules but fails to update their publicly available documentation covering those rules for multiple years. For example, it took them 3+ years to update their documentation to reflect the switch from Long Term Injury list to Inactive List; they still haven't updated the rules to reflect Father/Daughter draft rules.

 

[FR0GGY]

Just piss the rookie list off, they do all the work anyway

 

[Vader]

I honestly didn’t know that was allowed. Oh well, nice little rule to give him a few more years.

Players can be delisted and re-drafted in the subsequent RD. This resets the countdown clock on their rookie list time limit. It also makes them a FA every time they come out of contract.

Borlase was delisted and re-drafted in 2023, after he maxed out the time he was allowed to spend on our Cat B rookie list.

 

[Peter Doherty]

Fair enough. I did not know this. Appreciate it.

It gets missed a bit, but it is actually the Mid Season Rookie Draft.

 

[Golumless]

I did think about that with HHK/Cumming but havn't seen enough to make my mind up yet.
I also agree with Pedlar/Keays on the talented part.......ANd the, he wont get his body together part.

Hinge vs Laird is interesting.
I was actually thinking last night. Laird is probably the way to see what our game plan is. He does it to a tee. And because he gets the ball so much, he sets things up. And by moving it so fast at the moment, he doesn't have the time to stuff it up. I actually think when people were ripping in to him for slow ball movement. It was more gamplan. I wonder if it was all Nicks. But how Laird's played since half time in that Richmond game. I'm actually not moaning when he gets it. I think the Laird we have right now is better than anything Hinge has shown in the past 18 months.

It's probably both Nicks (and the rest of the coaching group, they don't get a pass either) and Laird tbh. Nicks for reading the tea leaves wrong and for thinking the Brisbane model was going to be the standard coming into 2026 where kicking was going to be predominate and Laird for not having the skillset/mental side to hold up in that kind of game plan. The promising thing is we're slowly pivoting away from that whilst retaining our defensive strength.

Mind you, another explanation may simply be form/injuries. I mean, the general quality of the best 22 has increased since that Richmond game which does make it easier to play well. Laird is probably a barometer for squad quality in many ways, seeing he's a half back flanker who will keep things ticking instead of being able to drive offense.

We do need to eventually move past Rory and I'm hopeful HHK is starting to put together a run that will allow for it.

 

[Mostyn]

You're moving the goalposts now to support your argument which is very different from your initial post.

My point was bleedingly obvious. Clubs need a mature body to ruck while their young ruckmen get physically mature.

That has happened constantly through history.

They gave Grundy some minutes but didn't rely on him to take the big ruck minutes as a kid.

How many games as a lead ruckman did Gawn or English play in their first few years? How about early selected talls like Green or Goad or Duff Tytler or Read?

I thought my point was reasonably clear, Bicks. It wasn't that controversial, I wouldn't have thought.

 

[Mostyn]

You can... Goad just debuted for Norf, and he's only 20.

What they need is a ruck aged around 23-24 - ready to come in, and still at the age where they can develop with the rest of the group. Bringing in a 31yo doesn't help them, particularly when the rule changes have neutered the only real strength that he had in his game.

Goad was drafted in 2023 and didn't even get a single game until 2026.

He won't be in a position to consistently be lead ruckman for a couple more years and needs a senior body opposite him.

He is exactly the point I was making.

 

[Mostyn]

I think I agree with this. Especially in the history of the Adelaide Crows.

Mark Mickan was a mature ruck from Brisbane Bears
Shaun Rhen didn’t play until he was 22/23, same as David Pittman.
Rhett Biglands, Matthew Clarke and Sam Jacobs were all mature players recruited to play as our number 1 ruck.

Laurence Angwin and John Meesen were tried and failed as teenagers. Ivan Maria could be the player who breaks the rule, but he didn’t play his best footy until he was in his mid 20’s with Richmond.

Even McAndrews was 23/24 before playing as a main ruck.

I’m sure many clubs have chucked teenage ruckman into the role with success, but this theory stands up if you look at our history.

Who are the teenage ruckmen who have played with success?

 

[Daniel6]

Who are the teenage ruckmen who have played with success?

I don’t know.

 

[Mostyn]

For those that want to move ROB on, why? What's your plan if McAndrew gets injured? We don't need many list changes, we're already very young and if we stop getting injuries we'll have some very talented and deserving youth not getting games as it is.

That's probably the other point.

Are there better backup ruckmen than ROB out there?

He'd be the best ruckman in the lower leagues. Probably the best idea could be keeping him and drafting Herbert.

 

[Mutineer]

My point was bleedingly obvious. Clubs need a mature body to ruck while their young ruckmen get physically mature.

That has happened constantly through history.

They gave Grundy some minutes but didn't rely on him to take the big ruck minutes as a kid.

How many games as a lead ruckman did Gawn or English play in their first few years? How about early selected talls like Green or Goad or Duff Tytler or Read?

I thought my point was reasonably clear, Bicks. It wasn't that controversial, I wouldn't have thought.

And

The ruck rules have changed dramatically this season in case you missed it.

 

[Mostyn]

We draft Tom Scully from West Adelaide, or we trade for Alex Dodson from St Kilda, play Riley Thrilthorp as a ruck, Harry Boyd.

Just to name a few who can play as back up ruck.

Rob is far far better than Scully or Boyd.

Maybe Dodson would be worth it, that's not a bad idea.

 

[Mostyn]

Get rid of his $700k salary and find another McAndrew to take his place as a backup

Why do you think he's on that much money?

He was on less than $550k previously (as he never turned up in the published salary lists, though other Crows players did), and it's pretty reasonable to assume he got a pay cut, after a season where he was dropped.

 

[Mostyn]

And

The ruck rules have changed dramatically this season in case you missed it.

Then how come all your great young ruckmen drafted recently haven't suddenly burst forth?

They still need to be able to ruck around the ground - having a good jump at the centre bounce doesn't suddenly mean skinny teenagers can dominate.

 

[Daniel6]

Rob is far far better than Scully or Boyd.

Maybe Dodson would be worth it, that's not a bad idea.

That’s true, but like Rob, Scully and or Boyd would be the backup ruck playing in the SANFL. Salary cap wise, Rob is getting $$$$$ where as Scully or Boyd would only be on $$.

Replacing Rob would be a good financial gain to the salary cap.

Dodson should be on our wish list regardless of Rob staying or going.

 

[Mutineer]

That’s true, but like Rob, Scully and or Boyd would be the backup ruck playing in the SANFL. Salary cap wise, Rob is getting $$$$$ where as Scully or Boyd would only be on $$.

Replacing Rob would be a good financial gain to the salary cap.

Dodson should be on our wish list regardless of Rob staying or going.

Scully is more a tall forward than a ruck and he's not overly strong in the contest either.

Hell Nathan Bassett saw fit to play 18 year old ruckman Lincoln Pitt before him in their league game when he wasn't selected for the U18's game against WA.

 

[Daniel6]

Scully is more a tall forward than a ruck and he's not overly strong in the contest either.

Hell Nathan Bassett saw fit to play 18 year old ruckman Lincoln Pitt before him in their league game when he wasn't selected for the U18's game against WA.

That’s fair, I don’t follow the lower leaves that much.