List Management

[Lazyboy]

We need to stay right away from Prismal, he is not classy enough and does not win his own ball.

Should look at trading

Cox
Egan
Johnson
R.Shaw

Maybe 2nd rounders in there if we find the right clubs.

Need to replace Obree, he is not the type of player we need in the middle.

If Didak gets traded ask for 2 1st rounders, 1 top 10 and another later 10-16.

Draft in 3 1st rounders, 2 mids and a Kp back.

Sidebottom, Ziebell, Robinson, Swift and Hartlett any 2 of those and we set ourselves for big things. If things go our way we might even get Hurley

So i am wanting to build through the draft, i wouldnt waste my time with Kerr. Angry little midget that has more baggage than Dids.

 

[brspdt201013]

I can see us having a poor end to the season, but as long and the links of Dawes, McCarthy, Stanley, Cook, Brown and Anthony keep getting AFL experience I will be happy. I think we will end up finishing 12. This means we will end up with draft picks 5, 23, 39, 55. We should also get pick 4 or 5 in the PSD - depending on whether other clubs nominate. Elevate Wellingham and also with the likely trade of Didak (as much as I don't want to loose him) we should take Ports 4th pick.

Delist or trade the following.

Lonie
Didak
Holland
Cox
Wakelin
Egan
Isles

We should then draft the following as this is roughly where I think these players will be selected.

4 - Zeibell (Vic - gun midfielder with pace, good in clearences, good all around skills and gets alot of the footy).

5 - Sidebottom (Vic - Tough inside midfielder, loves to win the contested footy).

23 - Swift (WA - Highly rated and would have gone in top 10 but has had a knee injury which will see him slide a little. Racks up getting touches in the middle. Once he gets over his injuries will be awsome).

39 - Redden (SA - Young ruckman who will need time to develop. Loads of talent and a back up ruckman that we need.

55 - Reed (NSW Scolarship - Tall running defender. About 193cm. He has also played in the centre in the championships).

PSD PICK 4 - Mitch Brown (WC - Would be great for us as a CHB. He is Victorian and is the extra tall defender we need.

Elevation - Wellingham (Just looks all class. Will definately get promoted).



If we manage to get these players it will set us up for the next 8 - 10 years.


GOOD TIMES AHEAD FOR ALL COLLINGWOOD SUPPORTERS!!!!!!!!!

 

[HFF]

Lazyboy, I agree with the 4 players you have mentioned as trade bait. However, if Didak is traded out, Egan will most likely be retained and perhaps may open up an opportunity for him on the HFF.

We won't get 2 first rounders for Didak, simply because no club will end up having two first rounders to begin with.

We are well within our rights to demand a top 10 pick or a gun youngster (Boak)+ a second rounder.

KB and some other guy (can't remember his name) seem to think Didak won't be traded for a top 10 pick and is second round at best.

Balmey shut this theory down and suggested whilst trading isn't easy we will get compensated with a top 10 pick if he is put up for trade.

Adelaide are reportedly not going to offer their first round. Well that rules them out because I do not rate many of their youngsters. Porplyzia is the only one but that won't happen.

Port seem to have ruled out their first pick too. Unless Boak is offered up they can rule themselves out too.

We have invested too much into Didak and he has become the gun we all had hoped and has the best part of his career ahead of him.

I can't really see any club getting him over the line because they simply don't have what it takes to get a trade over the line and this will come into the magpie hierarchy's thinking, thus being retained.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Why are Maxwell and Fraser the only top 22 under-performers in the under-performing group? Neither is any chance to get de-listed, nor does trading them make sense given one's in the leadership group and one plays a position where we're still very thin.

I said they had question marks over them, so they've been put in those categories because that is the way a large portion of Pies BF posters speak about them. You could also argue that Johnson is top-22 in the under-performing group. Anyway, it's all quite subjective, and merely designed to promote some discussion.

 

[Bonuspoints]

No way are Port going to give up Boak and a second rounder for Didak. We'd be lucky if they put Boak on the table let alone sweetening it with a second round pick in a deep draft that is also the last pure draft for two years.

 

[gza_9]

players possibly leaving
egan - delist/ in trade package
lonie - same as above
presti - could be forced to retire due to injury
rocca - above
holland - above
wakelin - above
illes - delist - been around long enough hasnt shown enough
johnson - trade
cox - trade package
r.shaw - trade
didak - trade
h.shaw - trade*
stanley - delist/trade package*
cook - same as above..him and stanley need to finish the year strongly

unlikely but possibilities*

 

[gza_9]

should be a few more *s in there but u get my point

 

[Smoky]

players possibly leaving
egan - delist/ in trade package
lonie - same as above
presti - could be forced to retire due to injury
rocca - above
holland - above
wakelin - above
illes - delist - been around long enough hasnt shown enough
johnson - trade
cox - trade package
r.shaw - trade
didak - trade
h.shaw - trade*
stanley - delist/trade package*
cook - same as above..him and stanley need to finish the year strongly

unlikely but possibilities*

Didak is not going anywhere. With the deficiencies we have in the midfield we simply cant let a premium midfielder like Didak go.

Rocca will go on one more year I think unless there is any truth to the rumour of J.Brown, then there will be no use for a Big forward that cant kick goals.

Heath Shaw wont be traded.

And IMO Rhyce has had a very good season (aside from his inconsistant disposal) I think he will be kept.

But everything else occurs thats a fairly big list movement of a quarter of our list. A little drastic I think, I would rather see Bucks join the coaching department than a massive cleanout, not that I disagree with most of your post.

 

[Pie Legend]

Didak is not going anywhere. With the deficiencies we have in the midfield we simply cant let a premium midfielder like Didak go.

Rocca will go on one more year I think unless there is any truth to the rumour of J.Brown, then there will be no use for a Big forward that cant kick goals.

Heath Shaw wont be traded.

And IMO Rhyce has had a very good season (aside from his inconsistant disposal) I think he will be kept.

But everything else occurs thats a fairly big list movement of a quarter of our list. A little drastic I think, I would rather see Bucks join the coaching department than a massive cleanout, not that I disagree with most of your post.

He has improved his disposal a bit this year, and has been working a lot harder. Should be retained

 

[swiftdog]

hmmm... I would be pretty pissed off if we lost our last 7 games of the year. FFS, many people on here are extremely critical of MM's and Eddie's lack of success over the last 10 years yet you want us to tank? Let's be honest here would you prefer pick #9-11 and the possibility of a premiership or pick #8. The draft is more or less a crapshoot from about pick #6 onwards any way. Do people on here magically think that if we get a pick a couple lower that Nathan Buckley mach2 is going to waltz through the door? Don't bother quoting Selwood and Lewis to me because plenty of gun players have been overlooked by all teams in drafts. I want success from Collingwood and tanking is not the way to do it.

"You can't win the premiership outside the Top 4" is one of BF's favourite line but that's just a cop-out from people too weak to tackle challenges head on. It what seperates the winners from the losers, the people who are going to fight to the very end or the people who are going to quit because it's too hard. Quite frankly many people on here have a losing mentality and just want the easy way out by another of BF's favourite terms: "rebuilding". Taking the easy way out is never going to get you anywhere.

I shudder to think about what some of the Magpies of yesteryear would think of this attitude.

 

[Smoky]

hmmm... I would be pretty pissed off if we lost our last 7 games of the year. FFS, many people on here are extremely critical of MM's and Eddie's lack of success over the last 10 years yet you want us to tank? Let's be honest here would you prefer pick #9-11 and the possibility of a premiership or pick #8. The draft is more or less a crapshoot from about pick #6 onwards any way. Do people on here magically think that if we get a pick a couple lower that Nathan Buckley mach2 is going to waltz through the door? Don't bother quoting Selwood and Lewis to me because plenty of gun players have been overlooked by all teams in drafts. I want success from Collingwood and tanking is not the way to do it.

"You can't win the premiership outside the Top 4" is one of BF's favourite line but that's just a cop-out from people too weak to tackle challenges head on. It what seperates the winners from the losers, the people who are going to fight to the very end or the people who are going to quit because it's too hard. Quite frankly many people on here have a losing mentality and just want the easy way out by another of BF's favourite terms: "rebuilding". Taking the easy way out is never going to get you anywhere.

I shudder to think about what some of the Magpies of yesteryear would think of this attitude.

Tanking means you cant actually manage your list correctly because you cant actually take into account individuals form, skills (and future at the club) because they werent playing their natural game... and incorrect decisions will be made by the club come end of the year.

It would be like making business decisions using the made up figures.

 

[gza_9]

He has improved his disposal a bit this year, and has been working a lot harder. Should be retained

Didak is not going anywhere. With the deficiencies we have in the midfield we simply cant let a premium midfielder like Didak go.

Rocca will go on one more year I think unless there is any truth to the rumour of J.Brown, then there will be no use for a Big forward that cant kick goals.

Heath Shaw wont be traded.

And IMO Rhyce has had a very good season (aside from his inconsistant disposal) I think he will be kept.

But everything else occurs thats a fairly big list movement of a quarter of our list. A little drastic I think, I would rather see Bucks join the coaching department than a massive cleanout, not that I disagree with most of your post.

agree with you about both shaws, put them in there because people have being posting about that lately
rhys shaw has really worked hard to retain his spot and should be rewarded because it has payed off
i think didak will only move in a deal to get a big name

what i wrote are more possibilities of people in trades rather than anythin probly 75 % will most likely stay not suggesting a huge clean out but i think should be a minor one with players like egan and others of that type need to go and make room for draftees or trades. i think collingwood needs to be pretty active in trade week if they want to be up there in the next few years which we could be.

 

[typewriter]

hmmm... I would be pretty pissed off if we lost our last 7 games of the year. FFS, many people on here are extremely critical of MM's and Eddie's lack of success over the last 10 years yet you want us to tank? Let's be honest here would you prefer pick #9-11 and the possibility of a premiership or pick #8. The draft is more or less a crapshoot from about pick #6 onwards any way. Do people on here magically think that if we get a pick a couple lower that Nathan Buckley mach2 is going to waltz through the door? Don't bother quoting Selwood and Lewis to me because plenty of gun players have been overlooked by all teams in drafts. I want success from Collingwood and tanking is not the way to do it.

"You can't win the premiership outside the Top 4" is one of BF's favourite line but that's just a cop-out from people too weak to tackle challenges head on. It what seperates the winners from the losers, the people who are going to fight to the very end or the people who are going to quit because it's too hard. Quite frankly many people on here have a losing mentality and just want the easy way out by another of BF's favourite terms: "rebuilding". Taking the easy way out is never going to get you anywhere.

I shudder to think about what some of the Magpies of yesteryear would think of this attitude.

i dont think we will tank, but what we will do is assess the youngsters on our list. with this weeks inclusions mm is showing we r giving dawes and mcarthey and chance to prove themselves, cook and stanley along with isles and egan and mcaffer should be given as many games as possible for the remainder for the season to prove their worth keping on the list.

disapointed to c wellingham dropped but i sense he has done enough to prove his worthy of promoting.

lonie getting dropped again should signal the end for him along with holland and i think presti will call it quits (he just cant get on the park) along with wakes.

b johnson
r shaw
cox
egan
could all be traded and yield a possible upgrade in picks

didak a tricky 1 if we can get an early first rounder i.e. top 5 pick OR otherwise a later first rounder would have to accompany a young player of prismall/salopek ilk OR part of established star in kerr/brownid id say move him on.

that would give us about 7 picks, elevate wellignham and mcaffer and dratf reed then allows us 4 others and weve effctively set ourselves up with about 7 or 8 youngsters in a strong draft year.

 

[jordyman]

OFF: Didak, R Shaw, Wakes, Lonie, Egan, Cox, Iles

ON: Kerr, Wellingham, Macaffer, Sidebottom, Swift, Cousins, Reed