List Mgmt. List planning 2015 and onwards

[Jack Grange]

And theres their problem right there... thats about as smart as 1.5 Mill for Melksham the Dee's are trying on..

Though Richo would have steered them away from that sort of campaigning apparently not?

Hmm something still doesnt seem right about our list balance though
Shaw, Redo, Harvey out all KPP
only
Big Dix in...

What am i missing?

In Dixon plus last years draftee's: Dougal H, Logan Austin, Billy Frampton and Jesse Palmer.. who show much more promise than those delisted with Reddo's injuries unfortunately simply took control. Therefore plenty of KPP's to work with...absolutely no issues with those delisted

 

[Hong-Kong Phooey]

jesse palmer is only 188cm

 

[Chrizzt]

what you don't want is for us to be one of those clubs that has to have their name around the papers daily, like Richmond, being linked to Yarren and Bennell and all these guys. i love dealing in the shadows, i want us to come out of nowhere with a 3 year deal for Craig Bird, that's my dream this window.

If trading in Craig Bird is your dream, then you must have some pretty low self-esteem.

 

[shewho]

One position and one position only concerns me in 2016. The crumbing forward.

If we recruited or developed a true crumbing forward who could kick 30-40 goals, we could afford to be more direct and hit our new tall forward line (assuming Dixon comes), knowing if the tall doesn't mark it there is still a good chance of a goal. Neade is too inconsistent at this stage and this is not a role Monfries plays. Wingard and R.Gray should be used predominantly in the midfield. Amon could do it but seems to be considered a midfielder.

We could sign Stokes for nothing and I think he is a real possibility. It would be a one year "moneybag" deal on low wages.

Is there anyone we could recruit for next to nothing who could get us 30-40 goals as a crumbing small forward?

 

[Del80659]

If trading in Craig Bird is your dream, then you must have some pretty low self-esteem.

i reckon as far as under the radar quality mids floating around that we can realistically grab he is right up there?

 

[Chrizzt]

i reckon as far as under the radar quality mids floating around that we can realistically grab he is right up there?

Swans were missing Jack and Parker for their finals and still opted not to bring in Bird.
He's certainly not bad, but he's not going to add a whole lot either and would just take a spot away from Ah Chee or Gray, who have better potential. Unfortunately he recently made his mark as a tagger, but now as teams are opting away from a dedicated tagger, he's lost his spot.

 

[philthy05]

One position and one position only concerns me in 2016. The crumbing forward.

If we recruited or developed a true crumbing forward who could kick 30-40 goals, we could afford to be more direct and hit our new tall forward line (assuming Dixon comes), knowing if the tall doesn't mark it there is still a good chance of a goal. Neade is too inconsistent at this stage and this is not a role Monfries plays. Wingard and R.Gray should be used predominantly in the midfield. Amon could do it but seems to be considered a midfielder.

We could sign Stokes for nothing and I think he is a real possibility. It would be a one year "moneybag" deal on low wages.

Is there anyone we could recruit for next to nothing who could get us 30-40 goals as a crumbing small forward?

Lol. People are nuts about the "crumbling small forward"

the "if we had a small forward Gray and wingard could spend more time in the midfield" thing is wrong.

Firstly players can only spend so much time in the middle , if they are gonna rest somewhere it should be up forward where they are dangerous.

Secondly ..... Why the hell do people not want players to play where they are most dangerous ? Wingard is electric and dangerous up forward .. Even if we move him into the middle more as time goes on he is always going to be a player who touches are more valuable the closer to goal they are. I would take chads 10 disposals in the f50 over 30 in the back 50 any day ..




You want to know what people classify a crumbling small forward as? A guy not good enough to play in the midfield.

We just happen to have the elite small forward in the league , and an electric small forward in gray. They just happen to be brilliant midfielders too.

As far as holes on our list go ... Having guys who can score from ground ball opportunities in our forward line isn't one of them. The problem has been a tall to contest and draw the ball to a good spot to create better opportunities. We saw how much better they looked when butcher was bringing the ball to ground in good spots...

 

[JHF1870]

One position and one position only concerns me in 2016. The crumbing forward.

If we recruited or developed a true crumbing forward who could kick 30-40 goals, we could afford to be more direct and hit our new tall forward line (assuming Dixon comes), knowing if the tall doesn't mark it there is still a good chance of a goal. Neade is too inconsistent at this stage and this is not a role Monfries plays. Wingard and R.Gray should be used predominantly in the midfield. Amon could do it but seems to be considered a midfielder.

We could sign Stokes for nothing and I think he is a real possibility. It would be a one year "moneybag" deal on low wages.

Is there anyone we could recruit for next to nothing who could get us 30-40 goals as a crumbing small forward?

Wingard is gold in the fwd line. He's like the best crumbing fwd in the competition. If the mids are doing well, why would Wingard be in the midfield.

 

[Jack Grange]

jesse palmer is only 188cm

play's a 'tall' lead up forward but I think he could develop into a 'big bodied' midfielder...lot of talent. But yes you are correct not a tall position player as we have Westy, Schultz, Butcher, Ryder plus those mentioned Dixon, Lobbe etc

 

[Hong-Kong Phooey]

I've never actually seen him play. But keep hearing he is similar to monfries

 

[Schulzenfest]

Talk on SEN that Toumpas is likely to be traded this trade period. Who on here was talking about him rumoured to be coming to Port?

I'm not convinced on Toumpas at all, but a swap for Moore would suit me nicely.

 

[Andre]

Talk on SEN that Toumpas is likely to be traded this trade period. Who on here was talking about him rumoured to be coming to Port?

I'm not convinced on Toumpas at all, but a swap for Moore would suit me nicely.

That wouldn't fly, but I'd be happy enough with Moore + 3rd round for Toumpas.

 

[manureid]

Maybe as some kind of reclamation project for cheap.

 

[Chrizzt]

That wouldn't fly, but I'd be happy enough with Moore + 3rd round for Toumpas.

A third round pick is basically useless, particularly in this draft. If Moore for Toumpas won't fly, throwing in a 3rd rounder won't help.
3rd rounder's will only be added as part of the logistics, i.e. to make sure outgoing players = incoming players, etc.

 

[Andre]

A third round pick is basically useless, particularly in this draft. If Moore for Toumpas won't fly, throwing in a 3rd rounder won't help.
3rd rounder's will only be added as part of the logistics, i.e. to make sure outgoing players = incoming players, etc.

Which it would be for. Average player + average pick for average so far player, who hasn't yet pissed away all potential.

 

[Chrizzt]

Which it would be for. Average player + average pick for average so far player, who hasn't yet pissed away all potential.

No, you misunderstood the post. It's 'quality' value is very low, so it will only really be used for 'quantity'.
In the case of Moore for Toumpas, that's one person going each way.
If the deal instead was Toumpas + (some random nobody) for Moore, then we'd throw in our 3rd to make sure the total number of players entering and leaving are the same.

 

[scottjr]

We need to rate Toumpus to trade for him? Maybe see what the landscape is after Charlie is taken care off with a view to at least holding on to our second round pick. Next years second round pick wouldn't float but a Young or O'Shea swap with picks shuffled around maybe?

 

[Holden Hillbilly]

I could see Toumpas improving our list (based on potential) but we don't need a list clogger except an emergency ruckman if Lobe were to leave (which I don't expect).

 

[FishingRick04]

Really our first 22 are good enough so we need to upgrade players 23 to 33.

Moore for Toumpas would in real terms based on performance be like for like. On paper we are winning. Jack Redden would be the get I'd go for if we can afford.

 

[FallingLiefs]

Talk on SEN that Toumpas is likely to be traded this trade period. Who on here was talking about him rumoured to be coming to Port?

I'm not convinced on Toumpas at all, but a swap for Moore would suit me nicely.

Moore could happen i'd suspect it would require a few pick upgrades though. big difference between a flop from 2008 and flop from 2012. My real worry is despite being extremely talented, he's probably been melbourned.

Also Melbourne probably a bit hesitant taking a bloke thats probably on par with Newton but older and more one dimensional. I think Young for Toumpas is a hell of a lot more likely.

 

[Doctor Feel]

Depends what toumpas is happy with. I'd give him nothing more than a year contract to begin with.

 

[Power04Surge]

we all like to harp on about how big men take time to develop. I think time is still on gorringes side, and the only reason he is considered ahead of redden is cos reddens body was apparenty cooked. dont forget lobbe is 26 years old, and didnt have a breakout year until he was 24.

the only problem i mmight have is if the reports are correct regarding his personality. but if he turns out to be a good footballer ill get over that

While agreeing it takes time for big guys to develop I just don't see any key attributes that gorringe has that says he will make it. Happy to be proven wrong but if that is to happen I don't see it being at port

 

[Portia]

if we could get toumpas for our second rounder, assuming no injury/drug shit, i would probably do it. I would defo do it if we traded out one of our creating halfbacks.

He's been played inconsistently at a club with no structure or decent fitness program. Upside is huge

 

[FishingRick04]

Depends what toumpas is happy with. I'd give him nothing more than a year contract to begin with.

It would have to be more than that to lure him, someone else would offer 2 to 3 years.

 

[Portia]

It would have to be more than that to lure him, someone else would offer 2 to 3 years.

The Dees were apparently working out 2 yrs in late August. If he's on the table, something else must be going on