Scandal Luke Slayers

[GudOnya]

Is that so? Happy to take your word as someone with professional experience. That’s interesting.

Let’s say diagnosis over time has been problematic as potential sufferers are sometimes believed to have developed the more extravagant features as a result of overzealous treatments, hypnotherapy in a less than professional setting, suggestion etc and various cases shown to be malingering (given a dissociative disorder presents opportunities to claim no recollection of periods of time, and as an explanation for bizarre or even criminal conduct). I believe another problem with certainty around the disorder is the substantial increase in presenting patients around those times where the disorder appeared in popular movies.

Given your experience, I’ll accept there are genuine sufferers albeit few. My less than perfect recall is that the identity dissociation is thought to stem from hideous and prolonged abuse in early formative years - so the worst possible ongoing cruelty in early childhood.

Hideous as Sayer’s claim about the causes of his wife’s purported instability, it’s not what I understand to be the pattern. Also, a useful claim (albeit idiotic) if you think your wife will be questioned and convincingly denies the allegations. You could just say she wouldn’t know because dissociating or some such. I’m definitely not buying it.

I don’t suppose there might be any other health professionals who might explain the medical purpose for photographing your penis while lying in bed because that one seems a mystery.

Just to clarify I'm not a clinician myself, I was in a management position, but I did have quite a few interactions with the patient as they had particular needs that had to be handled carefully when it came to the admin side.

This patient was essentially untreated due to the age that they first presented to the health system and the complexity of their case, they had seen probably 5 different Psychiatrists prior to us and only ever for one or two appointments as each one basically said they had no idea how to treat them.

Without going into too much detail this patient and specifically what they had to endure in their early life (they only escaped their situation in their 30's) was one of the main reasons I left that industry. You are also correct about the cause in this particular example. The end result for them was admittance to an in-patient facility and at that time there were no expectations of release, it was going to essentially be palliative care for a very extended period of time. It was a voluntary admission.

 

[Sainter3and7]

A lot of criminals tell barefaced lies to judges... why would you expect any less on their Stat Decs?

Not saying anything about this Slayers case... just that lying in Stat Decs and on Oath in Court is incredibly common in the criminal justice system.

 

[Proper Gander]

Just to clarify I'm not a clinician myself, I was in a management position, but I did have quite a few interactions with the patient as they had particular needs that had to be handled carefully when it came to the admin side.

This patient was essentially untreated due to the age that they first presented to the health system and the complexity of their case, they had seen probably 5 different Psychiatrists prior to us and only ever for one or two appointments as each one basically said they had no idea how to treat them.

Without going into too much detail this patient and specifically what they had to endure in their early life (they only escaped their situation in their 30's) was one of the main reasons I left that industry. You are also correct about the cause in this particular example. The end result for them was admittance to an in-patient facility and at that time there were no expectations of release, it was going to essentially be palliative care for a very extended period of time. It was a voluntary admission.

That’s very sad. I hope they, and you, are doing better now

 

[yaco55]

I don't think she's even remotely interested in settling it privately.

I agree. But its a case of a wealthy person with an ego clogging up the courts. The fact is going to court is how Joe or Mary Average knows anything about the Sayers. I'll also add that it has split the family with two of the children

I don't think she's even remotely interested in settling it privately.

This seems to be the case.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Sayers' charity goes from over a dozen staff on $120,000-plus, to none - The Klaxon

The charity of estranged Melbourne power couple Luke and Cate Sayers — which in 2023 had more than a dozen staff earning average salaries of over $120,000 — reports it now has none.

theklaxon.com.au

The AFL conducted a two-week investigation and, although providing no evidence, cleared him of wrongdoing, and announced the photo had been posted “by someone not Mr Sayers”.

In January, Cate Sayers sued Luke Sayers for defamation, claiming he defamed her in a bid to extricate himself from the scandal, by falsely telling the AFL she posted the photo, and that she was “mentally disturbed”.

Her lawyers filed court documents earlier this month alleging Luke Sayers made 11 false claims in a statutory declaration he gave to the AFL.

They allegedly include that Cate Sayers was r*ped as a schoolchild by her teacher and his wife, and that the teacher was serving a life sentence in prison for the crimes.

The AFL is now in the spotlight over its investigation into Luke Sayers, including over allegations it took no action to verify claims he made in the statutory declaration.

In court documents, Cate Sayers’ lawyers state the AFL “investigation”, was “not conducted adequately or honestly”.

“The AFL did not carry out an adequate, independent or impartial investigation as it worked closely with Carlton and Luke directly to provide an outcome that publicly exonerated Luke from any wrongdoing,” her lawyers state.

The AFL has said it stands by its investigation. It says it cannot comment further as the matter is before the courts.

Lawyers for Luke Sayers are seeking to have the defamation case moved to the Family Court of Australia.

Media is prevented from reporting on Family Court hearings.

If that push is unsuccessful, the case is listed for trial in open court in November.

Oh the charity run by the Sayers seemed to exist basically solely on govt grants in 2021 - 2024. It paid $1.8 million in wages to its employees in Ken year. Its auditors warned it was on the brink of financial collapse. It would now appear to have closed as govt funding has dried up, though nobody is saying anything.

Ms Sayers appeared in electoral campaign advertising for Josh Frydenberg (a close friend of Mr Sayers), in her capacity as head of the charity. This is illegal under the Charities Act.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Joe Aston - capable of a more withering attack than most journalists - has his Slayers article outside the paywall at the moment…

The AFL's Sayers doctrine

You can't make factual findings then claim you didn't need to check the evidence.

www.rampart.news

 

[MisterB]

Nice piece of work there Joe. Hard to fault any of it.

 

[Not a mere cat]

Joe Aston - capable of a more withering attack than most journalists - his his Slayers article outside the paywall at the moment…

The AFL's Sayers doctrine

You can't make factual findings then claim you didn't need to check the evidence.

www.rampart.news

He doesn’t hold back, just lays it all bare. The Melbourne boys club at work to save this grub while throwing his wife under the bus. I love how it’s all going to come out now and they cannot sweep it under the carpet

 

[Bunk Moreland]

He doesn’t hold back, just lays it all bare. The Melbourne boys club at work to save this grub while throwing his wife under the bus. I love how it’s all going to come out now and they cannot sweep it under the carpet

Yeah the most telling part is where he outlined… the AFL didn’t have to do this. It didn’t have to hold this sham “investigation”.

They didn’t actually find Slayers guilty of anything.

They could’ve just said “he’s broken no rules” and be done with it. Same outcome. He still resigns.

Instead they went out of their way to “help” him and his public image by dumping on his wife.

 

[Blightys Barrel]

Joe Aston - capable of a more withering attack than most journalists - his his Slayers article outside the paywall at the moment…

The AFL's Sayers doctrine

You can't make factual findings then claim you didn't need to check the evidence.

www.rampart.news

Joe has an excellent stockpile of Velvet Hammers and is always an interesting read.

His number on Peter Fitzsimmons “Dick Heads” a few years ago is a classic.

I wonder if Dillon will come out like Swann does with poor umpire decisions and says “Yeah we got this one wrong. I’m going to remove the whole integrity commission + Shazbags. I did this 3 weeks ago to the Head of Appeals because the LGBQT+ lobby lent on me.”

Hell might freeze over first me thinks.

 

[Not a mere cat]

Yeah the most telling part is where he outlined… the AFL didn’t have to do this. It didn’t have to hold this sham “investigation”.

They didn’t actually find Slayers guilty of anything.

They could’ve just said “he’s broken no rules” and be done with it. Same outcome. He still resigns.

Instead they went out of their way to “help” him and his public image by dumping on his wife.

I also thought it was interesting the part where he pointed out Sayers could have, and intended to, resigned and there was nothing to answer to as he was outside the AFL then therefore no stat dec required. However he chose to submit the stat dec abd then resign so the AFL could clear his name.

That’s really scummy from Sayers and the AFL. Not out of character for either party though

 

[western royboy]

Sayers entering Bruce Lehrrman levels of cringe

 

[MC Bad Genius]

I can't be the only one that chuckles every time I see the thread title, right?

 

[Bunk Moreland]

I also thought it was interesting the part where he pointed out Sayers could have, and intended to, resigned and there was nothing to answer to as he was outside the AFL then therefore no stat dec required. However he chose to submit the stat dec abd then resign so the AFL could clear his name.

That’s really scummy from Sayers and the AFL. Not out of character for either party though

Yep. Simple enough to say “this is a private matter and my own investigation into what actually happened is ongoing. I’m resigning from CFC to spare the club any distraction or embarrassment”.

Instead the AFL assisted him in smearing his wife in order to try protect his reputation. Gross.

When these things happen in these sort of circles there tends to be three factors:

• You do the right thing and resign
• You keep quiet about other things you know about
• We’ll assist you as best we can on the way out and into the future.