Mark Williams

[dees_best]

Is he up for trade?

If so then what would Hawthorn want for him?

Cheers.

 

[Nightwolf]

I think he would be up for trade, but i personally would like him to stay. 30 odd goals is a good return for a small forward, dont know what we'd want for him tho, what would ya offer?

 

[Hawka Deano]

Would Mark Jamar be available??

 

[dees_best]

IMO Melbourne would probably offer the Hawks Daniel Ward or Steven Armstrong.

Darren Jolly could possibly even be offered depending on whether the Hawks needed another ruckman or not.

 

[dees_best]

Would Mark Jamar be available??

Probably not, more likely Darren Jolly.

 

[feher]

If i was coach i can tell you now if i could trade him i would, if i couldn't he would be delisted, but hey people rate him, so i should have no problem shifting him for more then he is worth. The most possies he has in a game is just 11, he avg something like 5 a game, you want him, you can have him, say any round 3 or greater cos i reckon some other team would do it. Mind you if i was coach i wouldn't be saying he would be delisted if he didn't get traded. My fellow hawk supporters may not agree with me, but he has shown nothing in the last month or so, he may need a new environment to get the best out of him ... even then i doubt he will be any good, i am sorry but his performance is not upto afl standards. If any team gives me a rd 3 or earlier pick for him, i would shift him their faster then you can say ... you get the idea, i just no longer rate him, in fact i would accept even a rd 4 pick for him, but i reckon some teams would be willing to give up a late 2nd round pick ... well that is my gut feeling, what would you give up? forget the fact i don't rate him, cos if i was trading him properly you wouldn't know that.

 

[Nightwolf]

Yeh, i dont know really? Why would Hawthorn want to get rid of one of their only few forwards who can convert goals. I reckon we keep him, unless something impressive is offered.

 

[Nightwolf]

If i was coach i can tell you now if i could trade him i would, if i couldn't he would be delisted, but hey people rate him, so i should have no problem shifting him for more then he is worth. The most possies he has in a game is just 11, he avg something like 5 a game, you want him, you can have him, say any round 3 or greater cos i reckon some other team would do it. Mind you if i was coach i wouldn't be saying he would be delisted if he didn't get traded. My fellow hawk supporters may not agree with me, but he has shown nothing in the last month or so, he may need a new environment to get the best out of him ... even then i doubt he will be any good, i am sorry but his performance is not upto afl standards. If any team gives me a rd 3 or earlier pick for him, i would shift him their faster then you can say ... you get the idea, i just no longer rate him, in fact i would accept even a rd 4 pick for him, but i reckon some teams would be willing to give up a late 2nd round pick ... well that is my gut feeling, what would you give up? forget the fact i don't rate him, cos if i was trading him properly you wouldn't know that.

Williams= 33 Goals, Only Thompson has more for Hawthorn.
Has more goals than, Ablett, Guerra,Robinson, Pike, Okeefe, Leon Davis, Sampi and Chapman up until today. All quality players and goal kickers. Its your opinion, but its a fair return from an ordinary team

 

[feher]

Yeh, i dont know really? Why would Hawthorn want to get rid of one of their only few forwards who can convert goals. I reckon we keep him, unless something impressive is offered.

he does well to convert the little possies he gets, but he just isn't good enough in my book. Maybe i am being overly critical of him, cos i expected so much more from him in the past, but really avg 6 (just checked) odd possies a game is just not good enough, even for a small forward.

Williams career stats

if williams touch the ball say 12 times a game he would have 66 goals this season, of course it doesn't work like that but i think i have kinda made my point.

 

[Nightwolf]

he does well to convert the little possies he gets, but he just isn't good enough in my book. Maybe i am being overly critical of him, cos i expected so much more from him in the past, but really avg 6 (just checked) odd possies a game is just not good enough, even for a small forward.

Williams career stats

if williams touch the ball say 12 times a game he would have 66 goals this season, of course it doesn't work like that but i think i have kinda made my point.

But its doesnt really matter how many possies he gets, as long as he converts, which he has done this year. Ablett and others play midfield roles which gives them more tocuhes, but as a small forward in a team that barely gets it into their fw50, i still think he has had a good year and should be kept

 

[feher]

Williams= 33 Goals, Only Thompson has more for Hawthorn.
Has more goals than, Ablett, Guerra,Robinson, Pike, Okeefe, Leon Davis, Sampi and Chapman up until today. All quality players and goal kickers. Its your opinion, but its a fair return from an ordinary team

i think all of those players get the ball more then williams, like i said don't get me wrong, williams does well with his little disposal, but its just not a good enough effort, he is too inconsistant, some games he will kick is 4 or 5 then he will go missing for 2 or so weeks, he is too inconstant, and when he doesn't kick 3+ you can really tell he fails to get the footy. Maybe if he played further up the ground he would do better, i just feel he is terribly over-rated, maybe you are right, if we were better, he would have better stats.

 

[Grendel]

Like every single player at every single club, he could be up for trade PROVIDING that any trade will be of benefit to the club/s doing willing to do the trade.

Fwiw, I rate him as one that could become a very good hff/fp for the HFC. Doubt he's ever going to be more than that and that's fine. Players have made careers out of it so it's not a problem.

What I'd like to see (and have seen glimpses from) is more second efforts at the contest, an increase in intensity and a general improvement on this season in a few area's like those just mentioned.

A 40 goal return every year from a third/fourth forward (which is what he should be long term) would be more than welcome.

That said, if a trade were to happen providing it gave us something of equitable value as what Willo's contributions could be, I could live with that too.

What that trade may be, I dont know but doubt Melbourne is the place we'd be looking for as I dont think they (as is their right) would be in need of a Williams type. Not with Davey, Roberston, Green, Bruce all capable of doing similar roles.

 

[Nightwolf]

i think all of those players get the ball more then williams, like i said don't get me wrong, williams does well with his little disposal, but its just not a good enough effort, he is too inconsistant, some games he will kick is 4 or 5 then he will go missing for 2 or so weeks, he is too inconstant, and when he doesn't kick 3+ you can really tell he fails to get the footy. Maybe if he played further up the ground he would do better, i just feel he is terribly over-rated, maybe you are right, if we were better, he would have better stats.

When you think about it, Milne is inconsistant, as to guerra, Sampi is aswell, they dont get all that many possies either. Maybe its the position as a SF, but most times this year hes chipped in with a couple, andyou cant tell me hes been getting alot of game time, Shwabby had him on the pine alot, and McDonald has given him more but still not alot. Work him hard pre season, get him to chase better and build his consitancy up and he may be very valuable.

 

[tige19]

Would Mark Jamar be available??

Dont make me sick, you can keep your big dud of a russian ruckman all to your selves.
Would prefer Jolly to Jamar anyday of the week, why are Melbourne fans even talking about this trade you blokes have finals and Aaron Davey, giving up already??.

cheers

 

[feher]

When you think about it, Milne is inconsistant, as to guerra, Sampi is aswell, they dont get all that many possies either. Maybe its the position as a SF, but most times this year hes chipped in with a couple, andyou cant tell me hes been getting alot of game time, Shwabby had him on the pine alot, and McDonald has given him more but still not alot. Work him hard pre season, get him to chase better and build his consitancy up and he may be very valuable.

Certainly spending the time on the bench doesn't help, ok both Milne and Guerra only avg slightly more disposals, but other then Williams we don't really have another small forward, so it's not like a Milne/Guerra, Farmer/Medhurst all fighting for that one spot, that is one of the reason i expect more output from him. Yes we have struggled, and i hope i am proven totally wrong and he has a good year for us if he stays, but like Grendel said:

... is more second efforts at the contest, an increase in intensity and a general improvement on this season in a few area's like those just mentioned.

those are the things that he is lacking in, they are a lot more noticable when he fails to get the ball more then 6 times a game and fails to kick more then 2/3 a game. I would say both Schwab and McDonald share my concern with his lack of effort if you like, at times, that is why he has being dropped and spend so much time on the pine, really who else could take his spot?

 

[Hawka Deano]

Dont make me sick, you can keep your big dud of a russian ruckman all to your selves.
Would prefer Jolly to Jamar anyday of the week, why are Melbourne fans even talking about this trade you blokes have finals and Aaron Davey, giving up already??.

cheers

Settle down mate, it was just a suggestion. I thought we need a ruckman soon and chose Jamar over Jolly cause he is younger. It's not as if any of these suggestions will happen anyway!

 

[Nightwolf]

Certainly spending the time on the bench doesn't help, ok both Milne and Guerra only avg slightly more disposals, but other then Williams we don't really have another small forward, so it's not like a Milne/Guerra, Farmer/Medhurst all fighting for that one spot, that is one of the reason i expect more output from him. Yes we have struggled, and i hope i am proven totally wrong and he has a good year for us if he stays, but like Grendel said:


those are the things that he is lacking in, they are a lot more noticable when he fails to get the ball more then 6 times a game and fails to kick more then 2/3 a game. I would say both Schwab and McDonald share my concern with his lack of effort if you like, at times, that is why he has being dropped and spend so much time on the pine, really who else could take his spot?

I agree with some of your concerns, but small forwards who can kick goals is handy in a team. If we use him in a trade to get a high profile player then possibly, but to trade him for a dud coz u want to get rid of him is not the option. If we persist with him and get him to work harder in areas, he could turn out a decent player. We did it with Smith, give him a go and a break i say, been one of our best for the year and can only get better with TIME

 

[dees_best]

Dont make me sick, you can keep your big dud of a russian ruckman all to your selves.
Would prefer Jolly to Jamar anyday of the week, why are Melbourne fans even talking about this trade you blokes have finals and Aaron Davey, giving up already??.

cheers

What the hell are you on?

Williams and Davey would provide a lethal crumbing division.

At the moment Davey is all we've got.

What does have an interest in a certain player have to do with giving up?

 

[feher]

I agree with some of your concerns, but small forwards who can kick goals is handy in a team. If we use him in a trade to get a high profile player then possibly, but to trade him for a dud coz u want to get rid of him is not the option. If we persist with him and get him to work harder in areas, he could turn out a decent player. We did it with Smith, give him a go and a break i say, been one of our best for the year and can only get better with TIME

http://finalsiren.com/PlayerStats.asp?PlayerID=982

scroll down to 2004 Individual Games to see just how inconsistant he has being. His best effort was against the tiges with 8 possies and 5 goals, image what he could have done had he got 16 possies! After that it kinda gets a bit ugly imo.

just on me wanting to trade him for a dud, well its not quite like that, i am just fustrated at his lack of effort at times, and the potiential he has that he fails to show.

All right i will stop bashing Williams now, i hope he will be a lot better next year, and i hope all the faith the other hawks supporters have in him is justified.

 

[Nightwolf]

http://finalsiren.com/PlayerStats.asp?PlayerID=982

scroll down to 2004 Individual Games to see just how inconsistant he has being. His best effort was against the tiges with 8 possies and 5 goals, image what he could have done had he got 16 possies! After that it kinda gets a bit ugly imo.

just on me wanting to trade him for a dud, well its not quite like that, i am just fustrated at his lack of effort at times, and the potiential he has that he fails to show.

All right i will stop bashing Williams now, i hope he will be a lot better next year, and i hope all the faith the other hawks supporters have in him is justified.

Well i will keep defending him because i rate him and has been one of our best youngsters for the year. youve also got to remember this has basically been his only full season, with a handful of games before, and 33 goals is great IMO. So he has alot of football left, and i have faith that he will deliver and improve over time.

 

[ROCK22]

Delist/Trade at once!

 

[dees_best]

If thats the case we'll give you Luke Williams, Chris Lamb and Nathan Carroll for him.

 

[Adelaide Hawk]

Most of what I am about to say has already been mentioned, but I just want to add my 2 cents worth. I think Mark Williams is a real talent, but he appears to be a reluctant one. I don't know the lad at all but he appears to be different to most, more reserved, a bit of a loner. I could be wrong, but that's the impression I get.

I recall watching the players sing the club song after our Richmond victory and Williams didn't appear to be enjoying the moment at all. Some people have said he isn't happy at Hawthorn, but I feel it's not Hawthorn he dislikes, I consider he doesn't respond well to the disciplines of the game and what it takes to be a successful AFL player.

As some people have said, 33 goals was a fair performance for someone who saw little game time in a 15th ranked team. If I were appointed a 2005 Coach for the Hawthorn Football Club, I'd be looking at what can be done to make him feel more at home, to convince him he is a vital member of the team.

I'd want to keep him on the list as I see him as a possible 60 goal forward, but if he is not happy and not prepared to meet my requirements, I'd possibly offer him for trade.

My personal preference is to keep him.

 

[ROCK22]

Maybe aboriginal players just dont fit in well at Hawthorn? We are the private school club afterall. Is it an aboriginal thing though? Am I being too typical? Or is the club poor at creating an environment for indigenous players which suits their needs?

 

[Rusty Brookes]

Maybe aboriginal players just dont fit in well at Hawthorn? We are the private school club afterall. Is it an aboriginal thing though? Am I being too typical? Or is the club poor at creating an environment for indigenous players which suits their needs?

Other than yesterday, Chance Bateman has had a good season - one of the few positives to take away from the season. In fact, I've heard a few whispers that he is considered a future leader of the club.