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Martin Hardie: I write the forms... I think Evans ran the program

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FuManchu said:
Downes probably never saw the AOD stuff. Not much point really if they had decided not to proceed with it.
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Agreed, on the other hand, if anyone on the other side of politics had got the slightest whiff of any of this, and the new Minister sends in his own man, I'm sure he'd be in a position to gently direct him to where the more interesting stuff is, afterall, had not another noted Liberal man already made it known to the whole world that AOD was definitively, unequivocally, unambiguously prohibited under the WADA Code.
 
CozzaD said:
Very good, the same Athletics Australia that Eddie McGuire joined as a Board Member, then shunted the Aths off to Albert Park and got prime CBD real estate for Colly FC Training track.

Very good, my friend. (throwing another spanner in today). NOTE: I might have some more goods on Aths Aus, they aren't gods either.
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Where Danny Corcoran once worked as CEO.
 
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LuvtheKangas said:
Was thinking the same thing. And it wasn't the first post to trot out ATO / ASIC.

Even if they made a truckload of cash from the property deal, surely they wouldn't have been stupid enough to not declare any taxable income arising. So, ATO would appear irrelevant here. So would ASIC.

On the other hand, ACC ...
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Actually....when I mentioned "not making money", I was referring to the whole AOD investment (if it ever eventuated).

But as you rightly point out, a ten-fold fortune was amassed on land deals, and with much of it reported in the media, you would have to be bloody stupid not to have all of it properly declared.

Maybe someone tried to be too clever by half?

It's amazing how whenever anyone is the recipient of a windfall gained via dubious means, how they become even more selfish and protective of it, as if they actually had to sweat blood and tears in earning it.
 
CozzaD said:
I'd say Thompson, perhaps with Evans overall approval (so Evans and Partners, the investment arm, could look at investing in pharmaceuticals). Thompson was at Geelong remember and left after Armstrong Creek deal. He brought Robinson with him.

The movements b/w Geelong and Essendon from late 2010 to mid 2012 are key in this.
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Pretty sure Robinson was under Hird at Essendon, not Bomber. Bomber recommended him, but that's it.

Also pretty sure Dean Robinson said Hird and himself had discussed head hunting a sports scientist, and that Robinson was only too keen to suggest Dank.

You need to be careful here. Charter had a signed poster of the GFC premiership team and Dean Robinson once pumped up Dank's tyres in an interview when Robinson worked for Geelong. But there is no suggestion that Bomber was into peds at Geelong and it's been over a year since any suggested direct involvement by Bomber in the Essendon drugs scandal was blown out of the water.

Ask Caro and Patrick Smith, who both early on suggested Bomber's involvement in this saga, but who have both now repudiated that. They may criticise him over other things. But they are no longer saying he was involved.

It wasn't Bomber who was at the "chance" poolside meetings.
It wasn't Bomber receiving damning texts from Dank.
It wasn't Bomber visiting the offsite clinic to have a look.
It wasn't Bomber who Dean Robinson pointed the finger at.
It wasn't Bomber taking injections in the Essendon football club's offices.
It wasn't Bomber the senior players went to with concerns about the injections early on.

Who was it?
 
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Just interested said:
If you know anyone who shared accommodations with Doc Ageless, during his time served for the importation matter, you may be unsurprised to learn the Doc is a very chatty fella. Maybe it was the environment, but he seems to have suggested an important relationship existed between him self and that other bloke, and well beyond accepting $5K payments for "dietary advice", as claimed by the other fella when asked.

"The foot" might be relevant here.
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Yes, I've heard of his willingness to boast about who he's "worked with".
 
RegHickeyStand said:
Pretty sure Robinson was under Hird at Essendon, not Bomber. Bomber recommended him, but that's it.

Also pretty sure Dean Robinson said Hird and himself had discussed head hunting a sports scientist, and that Robinson was only too keen to suggest Dank.

You need to be careful here. Charter had a signed poster of the GFC premiership team and Dean Robinson once pumped up Dank's tyres in an interview when Robinson worked for Geelong. But there is no suggestion that Bomber was into peds at Geelong and it's been over a year since any suggested direct involvement by Bomber in the Essendon drugs scandal was blown out of the water.

Ask Caro and Patrick Smith, who both early on suggested Bomber's involvement in this saga, but who have both now repudiated that. They may criticise him over other things. But they are no longer saying he was involved.

It wasn't Bomber who was at the "chance" poolside meetings.
It wasn't Bomber receiving damning texts from Dank.
It wasn't Bomber visiting the offsite clinic to have a look.
It wasn't Bomber who Dean Robinson pointed the finger at.
It wasn't Bomber taking injections in the Essendon foot club's offices.
It wasn't Bomber the senior players went to with concerns about the injections early on.

Who was it?
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Yeh, but Bomber is as wily as they come.
 

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RegHickeyStand said:
Pretty sure Robinson was under Hird at Essendon, not Bomber. Bomber recommended him, but that's it.

Also pretty sure Dean Robinson said Hird and himself had discussed head hunting a sports scientist, and that Robinson was only too keen to suggest Dank.

You need to be careful here. Charter had a signed poster of the GFC premiership team and Dean Robinson once pumped up Dank's tyres in an interview when Robinson worked for Geelong. But there is no suggestion that Bomber was into peds at Geelong and it's been over a year since any suggested direct involvement by Bomber in the Essendon drugs scandal was blown out of the water.

Ask Caro and Patrick Smith, who both early on suggested Bomber's involvement in this saga, but who have both now repudiated that. They may criticise him over other things. But they are no longer saying he was involved.

It wasn't Bomber who was at the "chance" poolside meetings.
It wasn't Bomber receiving damning texts from Dank.
It wasn't Bomber visiting the offsite clinic to have a look.
It wasn't Bomber who Dean Robinson pointed the finger at.
It wasn't Bomber taking injections in the Essendon foot club's offices.
It wasn't Bomber the senior players went to with concerns about the injections early on.

Who was it?
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so this is not true?
 
RegHickeyStand said:
Pretty sure Robinson was under Hird at Essendon, not Bomber. Bomber recommended him, but that's it.

Also pretty sure Dean Robinson said Hird and himself had discussed head hunting a sports scientist, and that Robinson was only too keen to suggest Dank.

You need to be careful here. Charter had a signed poster of the GFC premiership team and Dean Robinson once pumped up Dank's tyres in an interview when Robinson worked for Geelong. But there is no suggestion that Bomber was into peds at Geelong and it's been over a year since any suggested direct involvement by Bomber in the Essendon drugs scandal was blown out of the water.

...

Who was it?
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Ahem, cough, cough
 
RegHickeyStand said:
Go on
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Are you kidding? You're a Geelong supporter and you've never heard anyone suggest that the Geelong program under Bomber might not stand up to a searching examination?

In other news, the fact that Eddie bluffs and blusters when the finger is pointed at what happened at Collingwood doesn't mean that the finger was wrongly pointed.

Earlier in this thread, or one like it, someone made the very good point that some unsavoury practices that have come under the spotlight and been investigated are not as isolated as the AFL would have us believe. Melbourne being fined heavily for "not tanking" doesn't mean they were the only team suspected of "not tanking". They were just worse at it and got caught. Essendon and their program is analogous.
 

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The GG said:
Wouldn't the current government love to lift the lid on all of these shenanigans?
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No!.
Because that's what they all do.
They make deals with their particular fellow bed partners at that particular space in time.
We don't rat on the truth,we only rat on the figures shrouding the truth.
Yes they might like and enjoy lifting the lid on the shenanigans, but where would that leave their cross bench annual pay rise agreement?.
Protect their own.
Attack the numbers only,not the deal.
If the truth were to ever be laid bare it would be mutiny and anarchy.
That's why the Yanks have their gun rights inlaid in the Constitution.
In order to bring down the Administration by wilful Arms and Militia.
 
LuvtheKangas said:
Are you kidding? You're a Geelong supporter and you've never heard anyone suggest that the Geelong program under Bomber might not stand up to a searching examination?

In other news, the fact that Eddie bluffs and blusters when the finger is pointed at what happened at Collingwood doesn't mean that the finger was wrongly pointed.

Earlier in this thread, or one like it, someone made the very good point that some unsavoury practices that have come under the spotlight and been investigated are not as isolated as the AFL would have us believe. Melbourne being fined heavily for "not tanking" doesn't mean they were the only team suspected of "not tanking". They were just worse at it and got caught. Essendon and their program is analogous.
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True, I am a Geelong supporter.

That does not make any difference if you bring out any substantial evidence against Geelong. I'll just look silly defending it.

So where is the evidence after 2 years. We know the scandal touched Brisbane and Melbourne. We know there was no widespread drug program at either clubs. We know ASADA did do a forensic accounting check on Geelong and cleared it.

But where is this evidence about Geelong that makes you convinced? So far you have offered - "the vibe".
 
RegHickeyStand said:
True, I am a Geelong supporter.

That does not make any difference if you bring out any substantial evidence against Geelong. I'll just look silly defending it.

So where is the evidence after 2 years. We know the scandal touched Brisbane and Melbourne. We know there was no widespread drug program at either clubs. We know ASADA did do a forensic accounting check on Geelong and cleared it.

But where is this evidence about Geelong that makes you convinced? So far you have offered - "the vibe".
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No, you said (quote) "there is no suggestion that Bomber was into peds at Geelong"

I refute that. I'm not saying there is evidence, but God knows there has been plenty of suggestion, rumour, innuendo, call it what you like. Maybe it's just jealousy due to the 3 flags in 5 years, but it's just wrong to say there has been no suggestion of the possibility. Indeed there has been enough to trigger some to have "where there's smoke" thoughts.

I was just surprised that a Geelong supporter had never heard any of the (possibly scurrilous) rumours.
 
LuvtheKangas said:
Are you kidding? You're a Geelong supporter and you've never heard anyone suggest that the Geelong program under Bomber might not stand up to a searching examination?

In other news, the fact that Eddie bluffs and blusters when the finger is pointed at what happened at Collingwood doesn't mean that the finger was wrongly pointed.

Earlier in this thread, or one like it, someone made the very good point that some unsavoury practices that have come under the spotlight and been investigated are not as isolated as the AFL would have us believe. Melbourne being fined heavily for "not tanking" doesn't mean they were the only team suspected of "not tanking". They were just worse at it and got caught. Essendon and their program is analogous.
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All speculative.
 
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