Martin Hardie: I write the forms... I think Evans ran the program

[LuvtheKangas]

All speculative.

100%.

But that doesn't mean there has been no suggestion ...

 

[rdhopkins2]

Pretty epic from Cozz but how much of this is watertight and can be substantiated?

 

[FuManchu]

100%.

But that doesn't mean there has been no suggestion ...

There's been suggestive comments about 5 other clubs. But nothing other than a club doctor being sacked nothing has come of it.

I'm not naive enough to say all other clubs were good citizens, but given nothing has come of it, but here we have a concerted effort by the regulatory agency overseeing drugs in sport referred to, by one of our top law endorcement investigation agencies speaks volumes about the level of activity at one club.

 

[FuManchu]

Pretty epic from Cozz but how much of this is watertight and can be substantiated?

He says he has more, let's wait and see.

 

[RegHickeyStand]

No, you said (quote) "there is no suggestion that Bomber was into peds at Geelong"

I refute that. I'm not saying there is evidence, but God knows there has been plenty of suggestion, rumour, innuendo, call it what you like. Maybe it's just jealousy due to the 3 flags in 5 years, but it's just wrong to say there has been no suggestion of the possibility. Indeed there has been enough to trigger some to have "where there's smoke" thoughts.

I was just surprised that a Geelong supporter had never heard any of the (possibly scurrilous) rumours.

I stand corrected. I misspoke. Should have said "there is no evidence that Bomber was into peds at Geelong"

 

[BlueWorld]

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...son-strikes-gold/story-e6frf9jf-1225907043696

But he can't afford $30K.

 

[RegHickeyStand]

He says he has more, let's wait and see.

Frankly, I think his head will explode when he discovers that the Hird connection is more than just innuendo and coincidence.

 

[Gigantor]

Pretty epic from Cozz but how much of this is watertight and can be substantiated?

A lot of it is already known.

The real question is: what is the connection to the ASADA investigation?

Is there an interesting conclusion to it all and will it shed any light on this 21+ month long saga?

 

[myblueroan]

Maybe someone should follow Martin Hardie's example with asking the AFP to investigate McDevitt and invite the ATO and ASIC to have a gander as to what was going on?

I would highly recommend that no-one follow Hardie's example in anything...ever!

 

[RegHickeyStand]

But he can't afford $30K.

Did Bomber buy into the Hird crap that they were railroaded with the AFL fines and suspensions? I thought they (including Bomber) got off lightly. Bomber should have got 12 months for being for being stupid. Hird a life ban. Reid should have announced his "retirement" from the game.

I saw Bomber on FC last year and Caro was looking at him like he was some kind of brainwashed cult member who believed the world was flat with some of his answers.

I just wonder who is on the phone to Thompson right now trying to get the dirt. Should be some juicy stories in the next month.

 

[TerryWallet]

A lot of it is already known.

The real question is: what is the connection to the ASADA investigation?

Is there an interesting conclusion to it all and will it shed any light on this 21+ month long saga?

Here i am agreeing with GG.

All of it is already known and the semi relevant stuff has been discussed right here 18 months ago.

None of it has any connection to the ASADA Investigation or drugs in sport.

And there will be no interesting conclusion.

 

[RegHickeyStand]

Here i am agreeing with GG.

All of it is already known and the semi relevant stuff has been discussed right here 18 months ago.

None of it has any connection to the ASADA Investigation or drugs in sport.

And there will be no interesting conclusion.

True.

The news cycle thrives on twists and turns. Over a period of time when it is evident the news coming out is becoming all one way, it's saying there is not going to be a surprise. We aren't likely to find out Hird had no involvement. and that surprisingly Simon Goodwin was the guy who took Melatonan II, ordered the drugs, and actually owned the offsite clinics. And that Hird was the patsy.

 

[Bennett.]

He says he has more, let's wait and see.

sit tight, be confident

 

[STFU Donnie]

Has anyone here read The Tailor of Panama by John le Carre?

 

[Chameleon75]

True, I am a Geelong supporter.

That does not make any difference if you bring out any substantial evidence against Geelong. I'll just look silly defending it.

So where is the evidence after 2 years. We know the scandal touched Brisbane and Melbourne. We know there was no widespread drug program at either clubs. We know ASADA did do a forensic accounting check on Geelong and cleared it.

But where is this evidence about Geelong that makes you convinced? So far you have offered - "the vibe".

The part about asada doing a forensic accounting check isn't correct, as I recall the check was done by the afl, the same unit that gave Melbourne the thumbs up before their dank links were exposed, and later back tracked and revealed that rather being forensic they relied upon the clubs providing them with a list of what they were using if memory serves me correct, could be wrong but that's how I remember that.

 

[Keys]

The part about asada doing a forensic accounting check isn't correct, as I recall the check was done by the afl, the same unit that gave Melbourne the thumbs up before their dank links were exposed, and later back tracked and revealed that rather being forensic they relied upon the clubs providing them with a list of what they were using if memory serves me correct, could be wrong but that's how I remember that.

Yeah, the AFLs look into other clubs was cursory at best. It was in no way thorough

 

[LuvtheKangas]

Yeah, the AFLs look into other clubs was cursory at best. It was in no way thorough

Not so different to their testing regime 1992-94, hey?

 

[Keys]

Not so different to their testing regime 1992-94, hey?

I was always suspicious of kemp

 

[fabulousphil]

Well known Bombers a Protestant/establishment/Liberal club from way back, though still a swag of RC supporters like my family. Prots = Libs, RC obv the Irish/Labor Party. I know for a fact there were RC players who left the club in the 40s and 50s because of the overt Protestant influence at the club wherein they weren't getting a fair go.

Hawthorn's history is not as long, but they have a incredible amount of similarity to Essendon in regards to traditional Protestant demos, a middle class conservative outlook etc etc , hence IMO Hawthorn is the true traditional foe of Essendon far more IMO than North Melbourne.

And that is why you will find a extra amount of Hawthorn fans on the HTB laying the boot in, some are far more obvious than others though, some names crop up every day.

They can't help it, doesn't really matter at the end of the day to them whether Essendon is guilty or not.

 

[RegHickeyStand]

The part about asada doing a forensic accounting check isn't correct, as I recall the check was done by the afl, the same unit that gave Melbourne the thumbs up before their dank links were exposed, and later back tracked and revealed that rather being forensic they relied upon the clubs providing them with a list of what they were using if memory serves me correct, could be wrong but that's how I remember that.

OK. I might have been getting my wires crossed. This article mentioned ASADA went through Geelong back in 2007.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/ge...fitness-programs/story-fnelctok-1226572047516

It was testing, and peds can't be tested, true. Couldn't find the article where Geelong were investigated and cleared last year. I know about the AFL and dirt and rugs, but last year the eyes of the world were upon it and if they did sweep stuff under the rug over Geelong, they must have bee praying that Geelong didn't produce their own "Reimers". Worth the risk?

"I dunno what Lingy is talking about. We were injected every day back in 2007. I remember Dank visiting all the time. I though he worked there."

 

[Seadog]

Not so different to their testing regime 1992-94, hey?

Or 91 93 95 96 97 98 99 2000 etc etc

 

[Boxhead_31]

The part about asada doing a forensic accounting check isn't correct, as I recall the check was done by the afl, the same unit that gave Melbourne the thumbs up before their dank links were exposed, and later back tracked and revealed that rather being forensic they relied upon the clubs providing them with a list of what they were using if memory serves me correct, could be wrong but that's how I remember that.

Not so, ASADA has routinely been down to Geelong since 2007 to have a look:
Cats players were subjected to intense scrutiny from drug testers after they started their amazing winning streak in 2007, which ultimately led to their drought-breaking premiership.

"This team was suddenly winning everything and I guess ASADA thought, 'What's going on here?'," the source said.
"ASADA had drug testers there all the time, but there was certainly nothing sinister behind what we were doing.

"Do the simple things well was the philosophy and it was very, very simple what we were doing. There was no rocket science behind it."

While the AFL yesterday refused to reveal whether Geelong would come under investigation, Cook reaffirmed the club's doors would be open if the league chose to do so.

"The club is fully committed to assisting the AFL and ASADA in this investigation," he said.

"The club's doctors, and not any sport science staff, directly determine all treatments and the use of all supplements by players."

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...fitness-programs/story-e6frg6n6-1226572047516

 

[threesixpio]

Hawthorn's history is not as long, but they have a incredible amount of similarity to Essendon in regards to traditional Protestant demos, a middle class conservative outlook etc etc , hence IMO Hawthorn is the true traditional foe of Essendon far more IMO than North Melbourne.

And that is why you will find a extra amount of Hawthorn fans on the HTB laying the boot in, some are far more obvious than others though, some names crop up every day.

They can't help it, doesn't really matter at the end of the day to them whether Essendon is guilty or not.

That's right - play the man. Let's just ignore anything a Hawthorn poster says now. Pathetic

 

[romeoh]

100%.

But that doesn't mean there has been no suggestion ...

Suggestions motivated by jealousy -just like you said. Just a brilliant team. Put up something other than innuendo.

 

[NoAFLinmycomp]

Here i am agreeing with GG.

All of it is already known and the semi relevant stuff has been discussed right here 18 months ago.

None of it has any connection to the ASADA Investigation or drugs in sport.

And there will be no interesting conclusion.

It's following a $ trail and the players (and timelines) are overlapping. Let him have his rope, we may learn something.

For those of us new to the forums, we're getting a high-speed catchup on stuff some of you have seen in the past, that would be difficult to track down on the site.

At the very least it is entertaining us whilst we wait (patiently or impatiently) for further develepments; time will tell if it was the larger cause/problem, an interesting side-show, or further diversionary activity.

Edit: I'm beginning to think it needs it's own thread though. Not really related to the OP and aome may want to follow seperately or ignore completely. I'm with the popcorn brigade on this one!