Martin Hardie: I write the forms... I think Evans ran the program

[Art Corvelay]

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Hope your feelings aren't too hurt about having a shit forum Chief

 

[Sector 7G]

Think about the consent forms for a minute.

They are initiated well after the substances program commenced, so already they are too late in abrogating the players of their responsibilities according to the WADA code if they have been given something illegal.

So what purpose do they really serve?

Personally I think the players realised something was amiss well into the program and a contrived system which put no compulsion on any party to the consent to provide authenticated ASADA advice on substances. It's not like they could say we used 'Thyomosin' and we got advice from ASADA. Because ASADA would have it on record that they (ASADA) asked what type of 'Thyomisin'

It was a poor attempt to shift responsibility to some other party because they knew if they got caught out in the already illegal use, they could try and say someone else should have checked, 'look we signed a document saying someone said it was all legal'

The consent form served the desired purpose. It stopped the players (and actually legally prohibited them) asking further question.

You want it in writing that the programme is WADA compliant? No problems here's something we prepared earlier today. Just don't show it to your manager or a competent lawyer.

 

[FuManchu]

The consent form served the desired purpose. It stopped the players (and actually legally prohibited them) asking further question.

You want it in writing that the programme is WADA compliant? No problems here's something we prepared earlier today. Just don't show it to your manager or a competent lawyer.

Or ASADA

 

[Boxhead_31]

Poor old Martin doesn't get invited to the big events:

 

[Chief]

Hope your feelings aren't too hurt about having a shit forum Chief

Hope yours aren't hurt about following an extremely boring game

 

[Rhayader]

Hird ran it. From go to woe.

I was going to say you spelled woah wrong, but actually it's more accurate that way ...

 

[Just interested]

Yes, I did think of that.

It doesn't exonerate the players, they still should of checked. Hird is still implicated because we know he was coach and we have texts between he and Dank endorsing Dank's methods.

But I've never really thought of Evans as anything more than a chairman who had no idea he was presiding over a laboratory rather than a football club.

Hello, Fu, I'm back.

Not enough people are considering just why Evans departed the stage appearing as if he'd just been hit by a shovel. The matter was under relative control, the AFL were working with them, Evans had made righteous noises and it looked manageable (even though it never truly was).

So, why did Evans suddenly appear catatonic, resign, and disappear off the face of the AFL earth?

The Dank convened Calzada meeting, with Hird and Evans, was about investment, right?

What if the consensus decision at the end of the meeting was agreed as one thing, and one party to the consensus decision later found out he was the only one who'd stuck phat with that consensus? If that was the case, do ya reckon that party might just have had a 'orrible epiphany a bit further down the track, when he found out?

 

[Just interested]

Can anyone verify is this is actually him and not some troll?

Read the rest of the contributions from "auskadi" on that page. If that isn't Hardie it's something doing an awfully good impersonation of a self important tosser.

Hardie's a yanqui style libertarian, who fails to understand (like most of 'em) what's required for a balanced transaction - equally informed parties.

Hardie's nowhere near as smart as he likes to think he is - in one page of a golf forum he's gone from a leading advocate for the "nothing to see hear" school, to a bloke who's pointed to something that stinks.

As a long time follower, who corresponds on this from beyond the vested sporting circles, but from a very credible position in the same media industry, said to me today, after I informed him of Hardie's musings;

"If that's him, he's a goose".

And, so say all of us.

It was also highlighted to me by a Professor of Medicine, with relevant experience, and current research underway, in the field. To say he doesn't particularly rate a self opinionated, and extremely conflicted, lawyer, on matters of science, is more than just an understatement.

Hardie couldn't tell his pharmacokinetics from his pharmacodynamics, if either of them jumped out of a bunker at his golf club and bit him on his fat ass.

He's a self delusional hack, pure and simple.

 

[Just interested]

So Hardie was (allegedly) involved in writing the consent forms for the program ??? So he has a vested interest in the saga ??? Yet people are supposed to believe a word that he says and not believe he is simply covering his own ass ???

Right, again, Coryne. Even if he wasn't involved in developing the consent forms, the nonsense he's presented since has conflict writ large, all over it.

I'll say again, despite all his self important rants, Martie is a long way from smart. To be sure, to be sure, he reckons he's clever, but the evidence suggests otherwise.....like the Evans pot.

Martie's main problem is he just doesn't know when to keep his gob shut. But, hey, bless him - the stupid provide great entertainment, particularly when they're so self absorbed.

 

[blackcat]

Think about the consent forms for a minute.

They are initiated well after the substances program commenced, so already they are too late in abrogating the players of their responsibilities according to the WADA code if they have been given something illegal.

So what purpose do they really serve?

Personally I think the players realised something was amiss well into the program and a contrived system which put no compulsion on any party to the consent to provide authenticated ASADA advice on substances. It's not like they could say we used 'Thyomosin' and we got advice from ASADA. Because ASADA would have it on record that they (ASADA) asked what type of 'Thyomisin'

It was a poor attempt to shift responsibility to some other party because they knew if they got caught out in the already illegal use, they could try and say someone else should have checked, 'look we signed a document saying someone said it was all legal'

hardie came in post affair. not during Danks time inside the club. This is going down a rabbit hole this thread

 

[Just interested]

It's obvious you have had no involvement in R&D tax deductions otherwise you wouldn't be calling it a leap of faith. It's a pretty basic approach to make sure all revenue related to the R&D is captured to maximise the tax break.

Oh, FFS - how in the bejesus do you justify R & D tax deducibility for an experimental program that hasn't been ratified by the relevant research regulatory overseers? Just who gave this the nod as a compliant scientific research program? Calzada? The same mob who issued statements to the ASX claiming they didn't even know where the gear came from, and, wherever it came from, it was a patent infringement, and they were going to hunt down the perpetrators.

A football club (business) might be able to claim tax deductibility if they actually bothered to register their wondrous research project with those who authorise such projects, and then had the requisite scientific authorities give them the nod to go ahead.

Other than all that, your argument's a winner.

 

[Just interested]

hardie came in post affair. not during Danks time inside the club. This is going down a rabbit hole this thread

All part of the rich tapestry, 'cat. Not a significant part, admittedly, but ya gotta love Martie and his gob. Love how he advised those reading that golf forum to wait for his next book on the saga.

No problemo, Martie, can't wait.

 

[blackcat]

Oh, FFS - how in the bejesus do you justify R & D tax deducibility for an experimental program that hasn't been ratified by the relevant research regulatory overseers? Just who gave this the nod as a compliant scientific research program? Calzada? The same mob who issued statements to the ASX claiming they didn't even know where the gear came from, and, wherever it came from, it was a patent infringement, and they were going to hunt down the perpetrators.

A football club (business) might be able to claim tax deductibility if they actually bothered to register their wondrous research project with those who authorise such projects, and then had the requisite scientific authorities give them the nod to go ahead.

Other than all that, your argument's a winner.

claim claim.

but what audits are done because they are not a traditional business. was this just for Medicare reimbursement?

 

[D-N-R]

But was he a sea kayaker?

When I see the term "sea kayaker" I think the Bigfooty swear filter has kicked in. Perhaps this could be the new term instead of "campaigner"?

 

[MaddAdam]

Right, again, Coryne. Even if he wasn't involved in developing the consent forms, the nonsense he's presented since has conflict writ large, all over it.

I'll say again, despite all his self important rants, Martie is a long way from smart. To be sure, to be sure, he reckons he's clever, but the evidence suggests otherwise.....like the Evans pot.

Martie's main problem is he just doesn't know when to keep his gob shut. But, hey, bless him - the stupid provide great entertainment, particularly when they're so self absorbed.

The fact that he's proud to say he doesn't understand or like Australian Rules, and didn't know who Luke Ball (one of the more outspoken player advocates) was speaks volumes.

 

[MaddAdam]

hardie came in post affair. not during Danks time inside the club. This is going down a rabbit hole this thread

Hardie's timeframes re involvement are very shaky. I've heard him give a few versions, some in public, some in private correspondence.

 

[NikkiNoo]

The consent form served the desired purpose. It stopped the players (and actually legally prohibited them) asking further question.

You want it in writing that the programme is WADA compliant? No problems here's something we prepared earlier today. Just don't show it to your manager or a competent lawyer.

Which as I pointed out in another thread, as an 'informed consent' form, it actually failed. The NHMRC guidelines are that true informed consent is when someone can discuss the matter with another party before making their decision. By restricting them not being able to discuss it with others, it means that there is pressure and power being used that can not allow true informed consent. The guidelines are in relation to research being conducted, but they are ones that any ethics committee will follow when approving a consent form or not. What they are concerned about is if a participant is able to give informed consent. If you look at it in that respect, then the consent forms that Essendon used are not about allowing true informed consent to be given by the players.

 

[NikkiNoo]

Oh, FFS - how in the bejesus do you justify R & D tax deducibility for an experimental program that hasn't been ratified by the relevant research regulatory overseers? Just who gave this the nod as a compliant scientific research program? Calzada? The same mob who issued statements to the ASX claiming they didn't even know where the gear came from, and, wherever it came from, it was a patent infringement, and they were going to hunt down the perpetrators.

A football club (business) might be able to claim tax deductibility if they actually bothered to register their wondrous research project with those who authorise such projects, and then had the requisite scientific authorities give them the nod to go ahead.

Other than all that, your argument's a winner.

and requisite ethics approvals and TGA approvals... those things seem to be missing too.

 

[Ophiomorpha]

When I see the term "sea kayaker" I think the Bigfooty swear filter has kicked in. Perhaps this could be the new term instead of "campaigner"?

In the way language evolves, it seems to have metamorphosed into something worse than 'campaigner'.

 

[Ophiomorpha]

The fact that he's proud to say he doesn't understand or like Australian Rules, and didn't know who Luke Ball (one of the more outspoken player advocates) was speaks volumes.

That should be enough for tar and feathers right there.

Maybe enough for a permanent restraining order preventing travel south of the Murray River as well.

He seems to like it enough to spend the last year scheisse posting the HTB.

Viva la footy!

 

[FFC_RoyBoys]

In the way language evolves, it seems to have metamorphosed into something worse than 'campaigner'.

True that.

Edit: Maybe "Sea Kayaker" is a mendacious campaigner

 

[compact72]

Richard Ings @ringsau · 3h3 hours ago
“@bigfootyforum: #AFL Martin Hardie: I write the forms... I think Evans ran the program http://ow.ly/2QhSWM” What an odd disclosure.

Thought they trolled through the forums. Hi Richard Ings

 

[evo]

Richard Ings @ringsau · 3h3 hours ago
“@bigfootyforum: #AFL Martin Hardie: I write the forms... I think Evans ran the program http://ow.ly/2QhSWM” What an odd disclosure.

Thought they trolled through the forums. Hi Richard Ings

I'm not a member of the twitterverse but i'd really love to see #seakayaker begin trending in a major way.

 

[SunshineBoy]

Mark Twain was probably a cyclist

he also did something with Scanners

 

[BigTacoBandit]

Sorry complete brainfart this morning

I think you meant expenditure rather than revenue. If they were claiming the R&D tax break, they would be trying to maximise their expenditure on the claimable activities. The more expenditure they squeeze in, the more they get back.