Matt Rendell...

[Roby]

Yet another example of someone being offended on behalf of people who aren't themselves offended!!

Suggest you listen to the chorus of Aboriginal stakeholders (Chris Johnson, Andrew McLeod, Darryl White) singing Rendell's praises before you continue on your crusade.

These people want ACTION - not issues being swept under the rug and the fairytale charade that everything's ok contuining.

Rendell is the scapegoat fall guy - who simply verbalised what the majority were thinking.

If the majority are thinking that having one white parent is better than having no white parents, if the majority is thinking that having different colour skin is better than other colour tones, if the majority is thinking that bringing indigenous players out of their communities and stripping away their cultural identity rather than nurturing them in their homeland/countries, then the AFL needs to do more than just have people like Rendell step down. They need to seek and an educate on the real issues regarding discrimination in this country.

It's still obviously acceptable in this forum and in general society. And by the way McLeod was offended.

 

[cammo78]

That's what happens when they're wrong.
Hide in the underground bunker till it dissipates away.

Exactly.

It's contemptuous, and leaves a very bitter taste in the mouth.

To be honest, with the continual bullshit rule changes and ongoing treatment of contempt by the AFL and its minions, my love for the game (or this version of it, anyway) is slowly waning.

It's not the sport I grew up watching and loving. It's a cesspit of corruption and deceit, it appears.

 

[PrideOf]

If the majority are think that having one white parent is better than having no white parents, if the majority is thinking that having different colour skin is better than other colour tones, if the majority is thinking that bringing indigenous players out of their communities and stripping away their cultural identity rather than nurturing them in their homeland/countries, then the AFL needs to to more than just have people like Rendell step down. They need to seek and an educate on the real issues regarding discrimination in this country.

It's still obviously acceptable in this forum and in general society. And by the way McLeod was offended.

Jeez mate, you still going? A lot to say ... apart from answering the question of whether of not you work for the AFL.

 

[stugots]

I've moderated my interpretation, and now think the relationship between Rendell and Mifsud is key to how things unfolded.

- Rendell conducts a conversation with Mifsud in his usual familiar manner. Fahour comes in at some point and is aggrieved at Rendell's style
- as a friend, Mifsud is accustomed to Rendell's way of expressing himself, but embarrassed by the presence of a third party who does not know Rendell
- afterwards Fahour expresses indignation and Mifsud feels conflicted - "Ali tells me I should feel offended. Should I?"
- two months later, Mifsud makes reference to Rendell's comments (and others as yet undisclosed) during a presentation
- Demetriou presses Mifsud for details and elicits the 'one white parent' remark, along with Rendell's name
- Demetriou sets the wheels in motion for Rendell's departure without following due process

Little doubt in my mind this is how it played out.

But now there is the issue of 'further offensive comments' -

Demetriou dismissed the suggestion that Rendell had overwhelming public support after explaining the context of his comment on Channel Nine on Monday night.

"They (people) haven't got all the facts," Demetriou said.

So just tell us enough of the story to get all riled up one way or the other & to justify costing a man his job, but not enough so that everyone can make a considered judgement from day one.

Poorly handled by all sides whatever the truth

 

[The_Wookie]

Hmm so its not enough for you that Demtriou emphatically said he had nothing to do with the sacking, and its not enough for you that Steven Trigg said that the AFL didnt make the Crows do anything...

Im at a loss as to what the AFL did wrong. Perhaops you tin foil hat wearers can explain it to me.

 

[weevil]

If the majority are think that having one white parent is better than having no white parents

You realise that this is exactly the same point Rendell was making?

You realise that he was saying that if things continue the way they are then recruiters are going to start thinking that way?

You realise that warning that bad things are going to happen is not the same as saying you want bad things to happen?

 

[TerryWallet]

A quick point for all the Rendell defenders who are screaming for Mifsud and Fahour and Trigg to detail what was said.

In todays AGE articles, Rendell says wtte "why are they still continuing this. Why don't they just let it go. They've got their man".

Trigg has clearly said "The whole conversation is not kind to Rendell and he would now prefer to let the matter rest".

If Rendell wants the contents of the conversation released, as detailed in Mifsuds commission report, i'm sure we'll hear from him either personally or through Grant Thomas or Mark Robinson.

Rendell was clearly distraught and somewhat embarrassed at what happened, but as it stands, all sides seem to want to let the matter rest.

Imho, Rendell had a conversation with a mate and didn't take into consideration that mate's new job. What he said made his particular job(head recruiter at an AFL Club) untenable.

Again imho, Mifsud was conflicted between mateship and what he obviously has a passion for - furthering Indigenous participation in our game.

Demetriou and Trigg acted appropriately in asking Rendell to resign from his position.

Rendell is hurt, but he was stupid.

 

[shiva25]

Its no doubt Demetreos "You need to deal with it" line to the Adelaide board triggered off the sacking and only a day earlier when being interviewed on the issue he stated that anyone prone to making racist comments of the like should be sacked. Next day Rendell is sacked so i am reckoning Demetreo had more to do with it than what he is letting on.

 

[Mr Magic]

If the majority are think that having one white parent is better than having no white parents, if the majority is thinking that having different colour skin is better than other colour tones, if the majority is thinking that bringing indigenous players out of their communities and stripping away their cultural identity rather than nurturing them in their homeland/countries, then the AFL needs to to more than just have people like Rendell step down. They need to seek and an educate on the real issues regarding discrimination in this country.

It's still obviously acceptable in this forum and in general society. And by the way McLeod was offended.

Roby I have been discriminated against most of my life and I don't take Rendells comments atm to be offensive.

When he said white parents he wasn't saying white parents he was saying parents closer to power networks that can give the kids a better opportunity. My take is he didn't want to complicate it keep it simple and was a little lazy in terms and reckless in word choice


What Rendell should have said is we only pick kids with one parent whatever the colour who works in a protected network in Australia in the city like a uni, school, govt dept , bank, or multinational who can pull a few strings.

I come from the country, I am not indigenuous , I was never brought up with a silver spoon in my mouth but I know I have been disadvantaged in Australia because of it, and if I was born in an Aborignal remote community the stats would probably suggest I would be more disadvantaged.

Am I wrong in this perspective???

 

[Mattrox]

Hmm so its not enough for you that Demtriou emphatically said he had nothing to do with the sacking, and its not enough for you that Steven Trigg said that the AFL didnt make the Crows do anything...

If that is true then Matt Rendell is a complete liar.

He went on national TV and said he had his arm twisted to resign. He did so for the good of the club.

Demetriou already made comments that the recruiter involved in the comments better look for another job.

Trigg said on radio he had conversations with Demetriou.

That is not a hands off approach by Demetriou or Trigg and the situation still appears that Rendell's version is closer to the truth.

Not a long bow to draw that Rendell was forced out with out the chance to publically defend himself. He was refused the opportunity of a press conference.

 

[NikkiNoo]

And by the way McLeod was offended.

This doesn't seem quite right considering the statement he released and as has been reported.

He was 'shattered' that the club he spent 16 years at might be considered to be racist and he said in the statement that in all his many years of dealing with Matt Rendell he never once got an inkling that he was racist.

Where are you getting your information from that McLeod was offended?

edit to add: this is pretty much his full statement for those who are interested - http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/tea...-matthew-rendell/story-e6frf9ko-1226302499132

 

[Blues_Man]

A quick point for all the Rendell defenders who are screaming for Mifsud and Fahour and Trigg to detail what was said.

In todays AGE articles, Rendell says wtte "why are they still continuing this. Why don't they just let it go. They've got their man".

Trigg has clearly said "The whole conversation is not kind to Rendell and he would now prefer to let the matter rest".

If Rendell wants the contents of the conversation released, as detailed in Mifsuds commission report, i'm sure we'll hear from him either personally or through Grant Thomas or Mark Robinson.

Rendell was clearly distraught and somewhat embarrassed at what happened, but as it stands, all sides seem to want to let the matter rest.

Imho, Rendell had a conversation with a mate and didn't take into consideration that mate's new job. What he said made his particular job(head recruiter at an AFL Club) untenable.

Again imho, Mifsud was conflicted between mateship and what he obviously has a passion for - furthering Indigenous participation in our game.

Demetriou and Trigg acted appropriately in asking Rendell to resign from his position.

Rendell is hurt, but he was stupid.

Sorry for your lack of comprehension

 

[Blues_Man]

This doesn't seem quite right considering the statement he released and as has been reported.

He was 'shattered' that the club he spent 16 years at might be considered to be racist and he said in the statement that in all his many years of dealing with Matt Rendell he never once got an inkling that he was racist.

Where are you getting your information from that McLeod was offended?

edit to add: this is pretty much his full statement for those who are interested - http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/tea...-matthew-rendell/story-e6frf9ko-1226302499132

He''s obviously fabricated it ...he has some kind of an Axe to grind as can be seen by his posting thoughout this thread ..his lack of comprehension cannot be as bad as it appears .....he has some kind of an agenda he is pushing here.

 

[yebiga]

All men are equal
Ali is a man, Mifsud is a man, Rendell is a man, Demetriou is a man
Ali, Mifsud, Rendell and Demetriou are all equal

Ali, Mifsud and Demetriou said that Rendell said not all men are equal.
Rendell says that is not what he said
They say, yes it is
Rendell saysm it is not what I meant
They saym it does not matter what you meant
Rendell says, I have always treated all men equally
They say, it does not matter what you do it is what you say that matters
Rendell says but you have misunderstood me
They say people were hurt by what you said
Rendell says what why and by what?
They say it is too late to talk about it
Rendell says he is hurt
They say we have jobs and you don't, go away


Rendell thinks Demetriou is a pig
Demetriou wishes Rendell would just disappear
All reason thinks Demetriou is a pig
Demetriou wishes all reason would just disappear

The coven of journalistic fawners, also known as the sacred defenders against street urination, the high priests of abstinence, the once moral stalkers of w.carey, the nixon voyeurs. Yep the very vanguard of the worst and lowest form of humanity. These are the same people who defended racist policies when they were official. They will applaud every unthinking policy when it is sanctioned, be it war, be it torture or be it racism. And when fashion changes change.

They believe in nothing absolutely nothing. It is just what sounds right that matters.

led by Caro, Smit, Robinson.... they must now protect the pig.

All reason says they are wrong
They will not be moved
They must chant from the hymn book of prefecture - PC! PC! PC!

It is disgusting to watch it all. Feigning this anti-racist crusade as if any of them would ever go against the tide on any moral issue - really.

When have any of these people expressed outrage against the refugees this country locks up for years. The government tacit approval of US torture and rendition?

Nothing! But given an easy target and what a bunch of heroes! It is they who have resigned from their own humanity - they just don't yet know it.

I have the utmost admiration and sympathy for Matt Rendell. If it is any consolation for him, as a result of this scandal, he will find that his quantity of friends will reduce but the quality will improve dramatically.

 

[RegHickeyStand]

Little doubt in my mind this is how it played out.

But now there is the issue of 'further offensive comments' -

Demetriou dismissed the suggestion that Rendell had overwhelming public support after explaining the context of his comment on Channel Nine on Monday night.

"They (people) haven't got all the facts," Demetriou said.

So just tell us enough of the story to get all riled up one way or the other & to justify costing a man his job, but not enough so that everyone can make a considered judgement from day one.

Poorly handled by all sides whatever the truth

Rendell's reputation could not be further damaged by the AFL.

Rendell has explained his comments, now the AFL is saying, its worse and they are holding back, and he really is a racist!

This threat of further leaking reminids me of the empty threats made against Akermanis after the Bulldogs sacked him. After Aker's appearnace on TFS garnered somew sympathy for him, the Bulldogs heiarchy said they are holding back on other stuff he did. Akermanis called their bluff and said what other stuff, and they backed down.

 

[Deaneus!]

They haven't said anything since the interview and it has been over a day now. They responded very promptly before. Could that suggest something?

It could suggest they've said what they wanted to say and still believe it. if they were so prompt before, and now disagreed with Rendell, why wouldn't they promptly come out again? Maybe you're the one with a conspiratorial bent?

Actually, people have been asking for over a day now if you work for the AFL, you haven't answered, could that suggest something?

 

[The Finger]

Cant see what all the fuss is about? Rendalls job is to recruit the best possible players for the club he works for. He can use any form of selection process he likes if he thinks its the best outcome.

 

[RegHickeyStand]

If that is true then Matt Rendell is a complete liar.

He went on national TV and said he had his arm twisted to resign. He did so for the good of the club.

Demetriou already made comments that the recruiter involved in the comments better look for another job.

Trigg said on radio he had conversations with Demetriou.

That is not a hands off approach by Demetriou or Trigg and the situation still appears that Rendell's version is closer to the truth.

Not a long bow to draw that Rendell was forced out with out the chance to publically defend himself. He was refused the opportunity of a press conference.

Trigg has virtually confirmed all that. Either Demetriou lied on OTC, or he was lied to and he repeated it.

 

[TerryWallet]

Yebiga, superb post. Bravo.

 

[King Elvis]

They haven't said anything since the interview and it has been over a day now. They responded very promptly before. Could that suggest something?

But don't take my word for it cause you're preset on not arguing any points, and happy to have a whole joke about the situation.

Sorry, where have I made a joke about it?

And as for arguing any points, I thought bringing up Rendell's actions on a kid like Milera was an entirely valid topic...

And by the way McLeod was offended.

When?


I actually agree with a fair bit of what you're saying, but I think you're unfairly projecting the issues directly onto Rendell.

 

[Roby]

It could suggest they've said what they wanted to say and still believe it. if they were so prompt before, and now disagreed with Rendell, why wouldn't they promptly come out again? Maybe you're the one with a conspiratorial bent?

Actually, people have been asking for over a day now if you work for the AFL, you haven't answered, could that suggest something?

Since you guys have such a vivid imagination why should I ruin your fun?

And secondly what could I possibly say to appease your thoughts even though I have never claimed to work for the AFL and had contradictory views with the AFL and Andrew Demetriou for the most part. Maybe you should go check my post history.

By the way, how is this at all relevant to the discussion or is this your last feeble attempt to contest against sound logical arguments?

You divert this issue because you cannot obviously do anything but that, because I would be more than interested for you to quote my posts and provide reasonable counter argument before sprouting concocted conspiracy theories.

 

[Roby]

Sorry, where have I made a joke about it?

And as for arguing any points, I thought bringing up Rendell's actions on a kid like Milera was an entirely valid topic...



When?


I actually agree with a fair bit of what you're saying, but I think you're unfairly projecting the issues directly onto Rendell.

Well as far I can gather he seemed upset that his club has been dragged though which I interpret as feelings of hurt and offence. Now whether he blames AD, Trigg or Rendell is another matter which is not clear. But he did say he wanted to hear Rendell version of things. Now that to me suggests that he was willing to give the benefit of doubt to Rendell without clearly supporting him unconditionally.

And since then we haven't heard a word. We will wait and see.

 

[Mr Magic]

Just read a piece on the age.com.au from Greg Baum titled" Blurry line in race controversy"


Last point is "

undeniably, he had tarnished the club's image.
And so he is gone.


Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/blurry-line-in-race-controversy-20120320-1vi0x.html#ixzz1piVvf2cP"


The problem with this is Rendell has not tarnished the clubs image IMO. Someone said officer made the comments public.

AD fuelled the fire on the coach and Trigg apparently forcing Rendell's resignation based on a misinterpreted word possibly has tarnished the image after speaking with AD. the perception of corruption is a tarnished image so it is not looking good for some!!!

So in terms of consistency can we get some more forced resignations please.

Will the AFL commision support the judge and jury and force AD's resignation and the AFC board likewise do the same for Trigg as well as others making this public???


By the way , who has the power to assess image???? Are these people qualified??? Are some people negligent in their decisions????

Also since I cannot see how Rendell has definitively tarnished the image, can Rendell seek a defamation claim against Greg Baum??? This is of relevance because apparently, according to some , tarnishing an image can get to to be forced to resign!!!

 

[NikkiNoo]

Well as far I can gather he seemed upset that his club has been dragged though which I interpret as feelings of hurt and offence. Now whether he blames AD, Trigg or Rendell is another matter which is not clear. But he did say he wanted to hear Rendell version of things. Now that to me suggests that he was willing to give the benefit of doubt to Rendell without clearly supporting him unconditionally.

And since then we haven't heard a word. We will wait and see.

You said he was offended and implied that it was against Rendell. In fact in his statement he said he was 'shattered' that his club was being considered in this way and that in all his dealings with Rendell he never once thought he was racist and in fact has used him as part of the forums that he is involved with running with the SANFL.

Raphael Clarke has also come out in support for Rendell.

You have 'interpreted' McLeod's feelings.

 

[roostersgal4eva]

I have to wonder though - why couldn't that part of him being sacked for not apologising be made when his sacking was announced?