Matt Rendell...

[MattyB_76]

I have to wonder though - why couldn't that part of him being sacked for not apologising be made when his sacking was announced?

Exactly, Trigg said once the comments were made public, his role at the club was untenable.

(Side note, I've never used the words 'untenable' and 'resile' so frequently.)

 

[MarkT2]

Cant see what all the fuss is about? Rendalls job is to recruit the best possible players for the club he works for. He can use any form of selection process he likes if he thinks its the best outcome.

Assuming the critera are accurate and he is an edequate judge he can and the club probably want that but what he says about how he does it is what drove the last week.

What I am unsure of is EXACTLY what he said. Did he say he wouldn't or anyone shouldn't recruit players without 1 white parent or did he say that is what might eventuate.

If it is the former then he is a DH and should at least have his position scruitinised. Whether or not he is racists at all is one thing (important as it is) but being dumb could legimitately preclude someone from an imprtant club job as well - as could stability off the field preclude a player from being drafted. If he said something akin to this he is at least too dumb for me to want him in the job at my club.

If it is the latter then there are some people at AFL level and Adelaide working overtime to hide their knee jerk hysteria.

Without knowing what was actually said, these discussions are going around in circles.

 

[IanG]

Assuming the critera are accurate and he is an edequate judge he can and the club probably want that but what he says about how he does it is what drove the last week.

What I am unsure of is EXACTLY what he said. Did he say he wouldn't or anyone shouldn't recruit players without 1 white parent or did he say that is what might eventuate.

If it is the former then he is a DH and should at least have his position scruitinised. Whether or not he is racists at all is one thing (important as it is) but being dumb could legimitately preclude someone from an imprtant club job as well - as could stability off the field preclude a player from being drafted. If he said something akin to this he is at least too dumb for me to want him in the job at my club.

If it is the latter then there are some people at AFL level and Adelaide working overtime to hide their knee jerk hysteria.

Well Rendell said it was the latter and he emphatically denied there was a policy in place about it.

 

[Slattery_20]

Assuming the critera are accurate and he is an edequate judge he can and the club probably want that but what he says about how he does it is what drove the last week.

What I am unsure of is EXACTLY what he said. Did he say he wouldn't or anyone shouldn't recruit players without 1 white parent or did he say that is what might eventuate.

Rendell's suggesting he said the latter, Vlad & Trigg have stridently stomped on any suggestions he said anything but the former.

Without knowing what was actually said, these discussions are going around in circles.

Doubt we'll ever know, now.
It's become a political hot potato. Doing anything other than squashing it flat would be extremely politically brave (ie suicide) for Vlad, and hence any underlings.

Probably doesn't help they've a new sponsor on the multicultural side of things in Australia Post, who's CEO just happens to be linked to the 3rd bloke in the room (his brother).

 

[Plugger35]

A quick point for all the Rendell defenders who are screaming for Mifsud and Fahour and Trigg to detail what was said.

In todays AGE articles, Rendell says wtte "why are they still continuing this. Why don't they just let it go. They've got their man".

Trigg has clearly said "The whole conversation is not kind to Rendell and he would now prefer to let the matter rest".

If Rendell wants the contents of the conversation released, as detailed in Mifsuds commission report, i'm sure we'll hear from him either personally or through Grant Thomas or Mark Robinson.

Rendell was clearly distraught and somewhat embarrassed at what happened, but as it stands, all sides seem to want to let the matter rest.

Imho, Rendell had a conversation with a mate and didn't take into consideration that mate's new job. What he said made his particular job(head recruiter at an AFL Club) untenable.

Again imho, Mifsud was conflicted between mateship and what he obviously has a passion for - furthering Indigenous participation in our game.

Demetriou and Trigg acted appropriately in asking Rendell to resign from his position.

Rendell is hurt, but he was stupid.

As I said before, it's not up to Rendell to release further details of his conversation with Mifsud and Fahour. He has given his version of the conversation as best he can remember, he can't remember any other offensive comments he made so how can he make them public?

It is Demetriou and Trigg who are saying there were other offensive comments made by Rendell, presumably after being told of these comments by Mifsud and Fahour. It is up to them to make these comments public, however neither Demetriou and Trigg or Mifsud and Fahour seem to be prepared to make them public. Their reluctance to make them public is damning as it suggests they have something to hide and are not being truthful.

Well as far I can gather he seemed upset that his club has been dragged though which I interpret as feelings of hurt and offence. Now whether he blames AD, Trigg or Rendell is another matter which is not clear. But he did say he wanted to hear Rendell version of things. Now that to me suggests that he was willing to give the benefit of doubt to Rendell without clearly supporting him unconditionally.

And since then we haven't heard a word. We will wait and see.

Please just give up, you are just resorting to making stuff up now. McLeod has never said he was offended by Rendell's comments and has come out in support of Rendell, so have other indigenous AFL players from other clubs. That more than anything says that Rendell isn't racist.

Assuming the critera are accurate and he is an edequate judge he can and the club probably want that but what he says about how he does it is what drove the last week.

What I am unsure of is EXACTLY what he said. Did he say he wouldn't or anyone shouldn't recruit players without 1 white parent or did he say that is what might eventuate.

If it is the former then he is a DH and should at least have his position scruitinised. Whether or not he is racists at all is one thing (important as it is) but being dumb could legimitately preclude someone from an imprtant club job as well - as could stability off the field preclude a player from being drafted. If he said something akin to this he is at least too dumb for me to want him in the job at my club.

If it is the latter then there are some people at AFL level and Adelaide working overtime to hide their knee jerk hysteria.

Without knowing what was actually said, these discussions are going around in circles.

Well according to Rendell it was the latter, he made the one white parent comment as an extreme example of what may happen with recruiters in the future. He never said he had a policy of only recruiting indigenous players with one white parent.

 

[western royboy]

One day last week was anti bullying day and there was a lot in the media and certainly at school level about STAMPing out Bullies.

Vlad would appear to be like most CEO's of high powered organisations to be a bully of the highest order. Trigg's interview indicated as much.

Who will call him out?

 

[Deaneus!]

Since you guys have such a vivid imagination why should I ruin your fun?

And secondly what could I possibly say to appease your thoughts even though I have never claimed to work for the AFL and had contradictory views with the AFL and Andrew Demetriou for the most part. Maybe you should go check my post history.

By the way, how is this at all relevant to the discussion or is this your last feeble attempt to contest against sound logical arguments?

You divert this issue because you cannot obviously do anything but that, because I would be more than interested for you to quote my posts and provide reasonable counter argument before sprouting concocted conspiracy theories.

So in short, you can't answer my first question?

 

[Oor Wally]

It seems to me that the only way we will know what Rendall said is to hear from Mifsud and Fahour and they have been put on a media ban by AFL. Why?

 

[Roby]

So in short, you can't answer my first question?

Obviously not. Think about it, it may take you a few years.

 

[western royboy]

Matt Rendell has just been on Triple M in Adelaide - he's gutted beyond belief, it's destroying him, he just wants it to all end. It's an unbelievable interview.

 

[Hearts to hearts]

Matt Rendell has just been on Triple M in Adelaide - he's gutted beyond belief, it's destroying him, he just wants it to all end. It's an unbelievable interview.

It will end faster if he stops giving it air on media outlets. He said he was only worried about guys he knows, he should focus on being clear with them and not feeding other people's curiosity.

 

[CF]

I don't back down from thinking that what rendell said was off. Even if the context was in a throw away line, "this will happen if the current problems aren't fixed!" He shouldn't have said it period.

I do accept there appears a serious question mark over the AFL's/AFC's version of his resignation versus Rendells version.

If what Rendell is saying is true then he should get legal advice about how his name has been slandered in the press about this issue.

If the AFL is right then Rendell would be better served to disappear for a while and let the heat die down.

 

[philohk]

Rendell has absolutely been hung out to dry over this. The AFL is so concerned about being seen to do something that it's got rid of someone who was actually doing something. Pathetic behaviour, and as many have pointed out, a complete denial of justice. Think it was Ron The Bear who gave a good synopsis of the process. Really, if this had gone to mediation it would have gone no further. I don't suppose we'll get details on the 'other comments' and 'tone', will we?

Speaking of pathetic, how poor is the football media? Aside from a couple of critical perspectives, they're on board with the organisation that gives them all the official 'news'. Rendell's position is 'untenable' because it's seen to be, and they're the ones making sure it's seen to be. Offended on behalf of others, like everyone else. Rendell has done more for indigenous welfare than those self-appointed moral guardians.

Also, Roby, get therapy. I'm sorry you suffered from racism, but that's no reason to get on board with kicking a man who clearly isn't racist. FWIW, I know a little about non-verbal communication myself, and what I saw on Footy Classified was an honest and upset man.

 

[Ron The Bear]

If the AFL is right then Rendell would be better served to disappear for a while and let the heat die down.

I just don't think he can afford to do that. History will record simply that he lost his job because he made racist remarks. It's in his interests that the full, and I mean full, story be told by all parties.

 

[western royboy]

The interview will be replayed on Triple M Adelaide in the next few minutes.

 

[weevil]

Obviously not. Think about it, it may take you a few years.

Roby as I've asked you previously: do you realise that warning that bad things are going to happen is not the same as saying you want bad things to happen?

 

[TerryWallet]

I just don't think he can afford to do that. History will record that he lost his job because he made racist remarks. It's in his interests that the full, and I mean full, story be told by all parties.

But he doesn't show any inclination atm of asking for the full story to be told.

He is just emotionally asking for it all to end. Which i sincerely feel for him.

What he can't seem to comprehend is that what he thought he was saying to a mate, he was also saying to the AFL indigenous officer.

If he wants "the full story" to be released, simply request that Vlad or Trigg release the report or say exactly what is in it.

He hasn't done this.

He just wishes it all went away.

 

[philohk]

Roby as I've asked you previously: do you realise that warning that bad things are going to happen is not the same as saying you want bad things to happen?

It seems not.

 

[Ron The Bear]

But he doesn't show any inclination atm of asking for the full story to be told.

He is just emotionally asking for it all to end. Which i sincerely feel for him.

What he can't seem to comprehend is that what he thought he was saying to a mate, he was also saying to the AFL indigenous officer.

If he wants "the full story" to be released, simply request that Vlad or Trigg release the report or say exactly what is in it.

He hasn't done this.

He just wishes it all went away.

Fair call, except that an AFL report will lack the same thing the reporting of the 'one white parent' remark did - context. He will have to fight some more if he wants to clear his name.

 

[RonSon]

Roby as I've asked you previously: do you realise that warning that bad things are going to happen is not the same as saying you want bad things to happen?

According to Trigg on 5aa yesterday it is more than just the "one white parent" comment. It sounds from what was said it may be his concept of the "aboriginal academy" that is the big problem.

 

[IanG]

One day last week was anti bullying day and there was a lot in the media and certainly at school level about STAMPing out Bullies.

Vlad would appear to be like most CEO's of high powered organisations to be a bully of the highest order. Trigg's interview indicated as much.

Who will call him out?

No-one, the AFL mouthpieces are already in play doing the AFLs job.

 

[IanG]

According to Trigg on 5aa yesterday it is more than just the "one white parent" comment. It sounds from what was said it may be his concept of the "aboriginal academy" that is the big problem.

This would be the Aboriginal Academy that is now being set up ie. the Michael Long Academy or whatever it is going to be called.

 

[TerryWallet]

Fair call, except that an AFL report will lack the same thing the reporting of the 'one white parent' remark did - context. He will have to fight some more if he wants to clear his name.

Eventually his emotion will subside and if he is correct that he said nothing to deserve the sack from his particular job, he will demand full disclosure.

Alternatively, If he said stupid things in a converstion that has cost him his particular job, he will publicly make his best case and then ask for it all to just stop.

By the way, i don't think he really has to "clear" his name so to say. I don't think anyone has called him a racist or a bad person. Just that he said some stupid things that made his particular job untenable and asked him to resign.

 

[weevil]

According to Trigg on 5aa yesterday it is more than just the "one white parent" comment. It sounds from what was said it may be his concept of the "aboriginal academy" that is the big problem.

Yeah we don't know any of that though. The headlines have not been screaming 'Rendell makes unspecified comments!!!!'

 

[Keys]

I don't back down from thinking that what rendell said was off. Even if the context was in a throw away line, "this will happen if the current problems aren't fixed!" He shouldn't have said it period.

When read in isolation the comment is terrible. The way Rendell explained it as part of a broader discussion over the difficulties faced by young indigenous men in adapting to AFL life it makes sense.

Over the past decade or so there has been a steady increase in the number of indigenous players and increasingly players from remote communities. The Liam Jurrah situation has highlighted just how difficult this adjustment can be and together with a number of players leaving the AFL to return home I believe it's fair to say that as a group AFL recruiters would be concerned at the attrition rate.

It seems to me that Rendell was highlighting this concern with Mifsud, proposing a potential solution and warning of the need for acting quickly as the danger would be that recruiters may turn their back on players from remote communities due to the higher risk of those players returning home due to the obstacles in adapting to a vastly different culture.

When viewed as a warning rather than a statement of intent his comment doesn't seem quite so offensive.