Opinion Matthew Nicks: Adelaide's Coach

[Dudersaurus]

agree, I hope the coach demands that the absolute minimum sanction is enforced upon Stengle. Whatever is the least that the AFL will accept he should be arguing for less than and begrudgingly accept the absolute minimum. Time to make a stand, I agree.

Sarcasm or no? Can't tell.

I cannot see arguments for both. DUI in an unregistered car is so far beyond stupid that brutal sanction is potentially justifiable.

He will though be punished by police which would normally be all that would happen. Yes people do often lose their jobs if they lose their job licence, but not if driving is not an intrinsic requirement of their role.

Definitely needs some additional club sanction to encourage an attitude adjustment and enforce some standards, but calls for delisting are a bit OTT.

AFL standard punishment of 6 Hail Marys and an act of contrition is not unreasonable.

 

[footy4ever]

agree, I hope the coach demands that the absolute minimum sanction is enforced upon Stengle. Whatever is the least that the AFL will accept he should be arguing for less than and begrudgingly accept the absolute minimum. Time to make a stand, I agree.

It took me a while for the penny to drop.

 

[1970crow]

Sarcasm or no? Can't tell.

I cannot see arguments for both. DUI in an unregistered car is so far beyond stupid that brutal sanction is potentially justifiable.

He will though be punished by police which would normally be all that would happen. Yes people do often lose their jobs if they lose their job licence, but not if driving is not an intrinsic requirement of their role.

Definitely needs some additional club sanction to encourage an attitude adjustment and enforce some standards, but calls for delisting are a bit OTT.

AFL standard punishment of 6 Hail Marys and an act of contrition is not unreasonable.

whatever the minimum that’s is required by AFL is all we should ever do. Anything more is pure stupidity. Just watch him cop a bigger football penalty from us than Hunter gets from the Dogs. What’s benefit to our football team is gained by always going over the top with this stuff.

 

[Dudersaurus]

whatever the minimum that’s is required by AFL is all we should ever do. Anything more is pure stupidity. Just watch him cop a bigger football penalty from us than Hunter gets from the Dogs. What’s benefit to our football team is gained by always going over the top with this stuff.

And what people are failing to appreciate is, for good or ill, AFL is heavily unionised. The AFLPA won't let a $50k fine and 20 week suspension or immediate deregistration stand.

 

[PAFC_1870]

What’s benefit to our football team is gained by always going over the top with this stuff.

Geelong 2007 Steve Johnson says hi.

Setting standards changed the club literally overnight. Their coach was on the chopping block early that season...

 

[Redline]

agree, I hope the coach demands that the absolute minimum sanction is enforced upon Stengle. Whatever is the least that the AFL will accept he should be arguing for less than and begrudgingly accept the absolute minimum. Time to make a stand, I agree.

Like I said I don't think he will make the decision but he can influence. All situations are different, I think the biggest disapointment with Nicksy so far is he hasn't really shown any influence over the group. So far you wouldn't know we have changed coaches.

Stengle shouldn't even be in our best 22, so I don't think the club penalty matters much but at some stage it will be an important player who does something wrong so he needs to let the club know what his position is on off field discretions and it will set a standard.

It could be he wants a heavy penalty or he might think as long as he plays good football he doesnt care but either way it will send a message to the group.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Geelong 2007 Steve Johnson says hi.

Setting standards changed the club literally overnight. Their coach was on the chopping block early that season...

They were at the end of their tether with Johnson after a string of incidents

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Stengle shouldn't even be in our best 22

Have read this a bit on here

He looks bloody good to me. Handles the ball cleaner than anyone on our list

 

[PAFC_1870]

They were at the end of their tether with Johnson after a string of incidents

Fair enough, obviously he had a reputation at the time but being strong then was seen as a big catalyst for their huge change in fortunes from that point.

 

[Mutineer]

Have read this a bit on here

He looks bloody good to me. Handles the ball cleaner than anyone on our list

Spot on, it won't be on the score of natural football talent if he fails...

 

[Golumless]

Like I said I don't think he will make the decision but he can influence. All situations are different, I think the biggest disapointment with Nicksy so far is he hasn't really shown any influence over the group. So far you wouldn't know we have changed coaches.

Stengle shouldn't even be in our best 22, so I don't think the club penalty matters much but at some stage it will be an important player who does something wrong so he needs to let the club know what his position is on off field discretions and it will set a standard.

It could be he wants a heavy penalty or he might think as long as he plays good football he doesnt care but either way it will send a message to the group.

No. Stengle is and should be in our best 22.

Dude is easily the best small forward we have, and should have replaced Betts mid way through last season.

 

[Redline]

No. Stengle is and should be in our best 22.

Dude is easily the best small forward we have, and should have replaced Betts mid way through last season.

Have to say that's a massive concern, he was overlooked in the main draft by every AFL club in his draft year, then basically given away by Richmond. He hasn't shown much if anything with us.

Not saying you are wrong but if that's the case it says a fair bit about our best 22.

 

[Golumless]

Have to say that's a massive concern, he was overlooked in the main draft by every AFL club in his draft year, then basically given away by Richmond. He hasn't shown much if anything with us.

Not saying you are wrong but if that's the case it says a fair bit about our best 22.

Draft position is prettyirrelevant now. He's equally been seen by a club as worthwhile to trade for despite that.

Not really in this case. Stengle has more been the talented (albeit very limited in a positional sense) player who has always found himself in s**t list situations, more so then a dud. Richmond pushed away from the practically stay at home small forward to running four which all needed to be able to roll in the midfield whilst he was there, Adelaide had Betts, which did everything Stengle offers (+ more, because the AFL wil probably be waiting a generation+ for someone to match those first few years Betts had here). Still in the SANFL, you are looking at a player who is averaging 1.9 goals per game in 2019 despite being in what has always been a hot and cold position (i.e. you aren't doing s**t as a small forward if the midfield isn't winning the ball), and in a side by its very nature is inconsistent (seeing how good a reserves side is tends to be the case of just looking at the clubs injury list). Probably the easiest transition from a reserves league to the AFL is at small forward due to how specialised it all is, and things like how fast you are, and how good your sense for goal is don't change.

When he's gotten a chance at AFL, he's shown he is a natural goal scorer which is the harder part of making it as a small forward (something he has also shown in the SANFL and VFL). With some application, and some more honing on the defensive side of the spectrum, Stengle will end up an above average small forward. The question that'll define his career is if an above average small forward who cannot transition elsewhere a worthwhile thing in the 2020s, or will it go the way of the stay at home full forward, or the ruck who can only ruck. The good thing for him now though is if there is a club that is going to cling to that to the bitter end, it's us, trying to recreate Betts.

 

[1970crow]

Geelong 2007 Steve Johnson says hi.

Setting standards changed the club literally overnight. Their coach was on the chopping block early that season...

Your placing a lot of influence on that one action against a player who had numerous indiscretions against his name. I think there’s a bit more behind Geelong’s rise to the top than the leadership group choosing to finally act against Steve Johnson. Even then, my point was going over the top, which we’ve done in the past in order to keep our streak of most well intentioned club award wins going.

 

[skam85]

Have to say that's a massive concern, he was overlooked in the main draft by every AFL club in his draft year

So was Rory Sloane.

 

[Redline]

So was Rory Sloane.

Sloane was taken with pick 44 in the main draft and Stengle got passed over until the Rookie draft? Sloane also showed something in his first few years on an AFL list while Stengle has been discarded by one club already. Not sure that is a very good comparison.

Anyway I hope I am wrong and he is a gun.

 

[WetCrow1991]

Sloane was taken with pick 44 in the main draft and Stengle got passed over until the Rookie draft? Sloane also showed something in his first few years on an AFL list while Stengle has been discarded by one club already. Not sure that is a very good comparison.

Anyway I hope I am wrong and he is a gun.

Sloane could have been taken the previous draft.

 

[GreyCrow]

''Nicksy''


Just please stop - he isnt my mate (yet) . It has to grow generically not forced - and yes it is forced

 

[hey shorty]

Sloane was taken with pick 44 in the main draft and Stengle got passed over until the Rookie draft? Sloane also showed something in his first few years on an AFL list while Stengle has been discarded by one club already. Not sure that is a very good comparison.

Anyway I hope I am wrong and he is a gun.

Richmond had a contract in front of Stengle, he wasnt discarded.

 

[BrissyCrow]

Have read this a bit on here

He looks bloody good to me. Handles the ball cleaner than anyone on our list

And he is only just getting started. In two years he will be by far a more complete footballer. I reckon he will be a great replacement for Eddie ..... will be different but just an important to the team.

 

[BrissyCrow]

I was thinking whether we should look to Woosha being a mentor for Nicks. I know that the timing is all wrong given the lack of funds but he could be the type of mentor that Nicks would find helpful.

 

[Scorpus]

I was thinking whether we should look to Woosha being a mentor for Nicks. I know that the timing is all wrong given the lack of funds but he could be the type of mentor that Nicks would find helpful.

He's cooked as a coach

 

[1970crow]

''Nicksy''


Just please stop - he isnt my mate (yet) . It has to grow generically not forced - and yes it is forced

Come on greycrowsy, nicksy is everybody‘s buddy.

 

[Golumless]

I was thinking whether we should look to Woosha being a mentor for Nicks. I know that the timing is all wrong given the lack of funds but he could be the type of mentor that Nicks would find helpful.

I wouldn't be going in that direction, trying to get a tactical whizz in might be the best path, but we are unfortunately robbed of a season where we could lay bare all of Nicks faults.

 

[ABSOLUTE MADMAN]

Nearly in May and he still has not notched up a win this season. Surely the pressure must be mounting.