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Why do I get the feeling that Hadding will play in this upcoming ashes series. I know it's a new selection panel but I still haven't got faith in them to make the right decision when it comes to the bleeding obvious. 2005 we lost the ashes to shocking selections and McGrath getting injured and I have a feeling a dejavu. Wade hasn't taken a backward step and has been great, it would be minde boggeling if he was dropped but that seems to be the australian way over the last 10 years.
 
There is one more full Australian summer before the 2013 Ashes. If Haddin is performing, Wade will go over as a backup, nothing more.
 
dajesmac said:
There is one more full Australian summer before the 2013 Ashes. If Haddin is performing, Wade will go over as a backup, nothing more.
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Doesn't make it right though:mad:
 
Get around Chris Hartley for the gloves.

The best keeper in the country by a mile, and has a solid bat too. No worse than Brad Haddins has been.
 

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gbatman said:
Why do I get the feeling that Hadding will play in this upcoming ashes series. I know it's a new selection panel but I still haven't got faith in them to make the right decision when it comes to the bleeding obvious. 2005 we lost the ashes to shocking selections and McGrath getting injured and I have a feeling a dejavu. Wade hasn't taken a backward step and has been great, it would be minde boggeling if he was dropped but that seems to be the australian way over the last 10 years.
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It wasn't due to shocking selections that we lost 2005 Ashes. It was due to our batsmen getting skittled one time too often by an excellent attack and shithouse catching. Both of which things are still a problem and I suspect will still be a problem even though it is a changed line-up for both sides.
 
dajesmac said:
True, but my point is that he has a whole summer to prove himself. If he fails, he may not go after all.
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I agree with you, thats the problem, the Australian side use to be about the best 11 players wearing the Baggy Green with pride, now its about being part of the boys club in which Haddin is Clarke's right hand man.
 
lionbear said:
I agree with you, thats the problem, the Australian side use to be about the best 11 players wearing the Baggy Green with pride, now its about being part of the boys club in which Haddin is Clarke's right hand man.
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How many games has Clarke lost as captain, which is presumably when this so-called "boys club" began?

Is it more or less than the average when Australia was about the best 11?
 
Glinn Mgraw said:
How many games has Clarke lost as captain, which is presumably when this so-called "boys club" began?

Is it more or less than the average when Australia was about the best 11?
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Don't know and can't be bothered doing the research.

All I know is Haddin is not Australia's best available keeper batsmen, and while we continue to select players when there are better options available, we will continue to have series like we did against England last year.
 
Glinn Mgraw said:
How many games has Clarke lost as captain, which is presumably when this so-called "boys club" began?

Is it more or less than the average when Australia was about the best 11?
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The boys club didn't begin with Clarke.

It was there under Ponting too (and other boys' clubs even earlier). Clarke was a part of it, so it only seems natural that it would continue.

Simple fact is that Haddin is good mates with the guys who make the decisions so he will naturally get a better run.

Whether that is enough for him to get back in the side is another issue.
 
Simple Jack said:
The boys club didn't begin with Clarke.

It was there under Ponting too (and other boys' clubs even earlier). Clarke was a part of it, so it only seems natural that it would continue.

Simple fact is that Haddin is good mates with the guys who make the decisions so he will naturally get a better run.

Whether that is enough for him to get back in the side is another issue.
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To read some of the comments here, you'd think that people actually believe that Clarke doesn't care about winning.

Whereas I think that he and the other selectors will pick the team they genuinely think will win matches for them. They may not agree on all the choices but they'll do their damndest to choose players that they believe will give them the best chance of winning matches.

Considering what Haddin is going through, who'd give tuppence for a skipper who'd do anything other than back him if asked about the wickie position?
 
Doodlesweaver said:
To read some of the comments here, you'd think that people actually believe that Clarke doesn't care about winning.

Whereas I think that he and the other selectors will pick the team they genuinely think will win matches for them. They may not agree on all the choices but they'll do their damndest to choose players that they believe will give them the best chance of winning matches.

Considering what Haddin is going through, who'd give tuppence for a skipper who'd do anything other than back him if asked about the wickie position?
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If you don't think that the boys' clubs don't play a role in Australian selection you are delusional.

The closest I have seen the best available XI in the country being picked for Australia in recent memory has been the WI tour. Which has been great.

But there is almost always someone who is a better choice than someone in the team who is either

a) Disliked by the boys club and just about black-banned.
b) A replacement for someone who is well entrenched in the boys club who they don't want to have dropped.
c) Some other sort of political/marketing reason.

Tbh I actually think with this new selection panel we very well might be seeing the end (for the near future) considering how much of an improvement test selection has been since they came in.

But there is currently not a single reason that Haddin should be even considered for test selection.

If he has a blistering shield season before the next test then sure (although I think it would be a step backwards), but his form for quite a while has been diabolical, and his replacement has been good.
 

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Simple Jack said:
If you don't think that the boys' clubs don't play a role in Australian selection you are delusional.

The closest I have seen the best available XI in the country being picked for Australia in recent memory has been the WI tour. Which has been great.

But there is almost always someone who is a better choice than someone in the team who is either

a) Disliked by the boys club and just about black-banned.
b) A replacement for someone who is well entrenched in the boys club who they don't want to have dropped.
c) Some other sort of political/marketing reason.

Tbh I actually think with this new selection panel we very well might be seeing the end (for the near future) considering how much of an improvement test selection has been since they came in.

But there is currently not a single reason that Haddin should be even considered for test selection.

If he has a blistering shield season before the next test then sure (although I think it would be a step backwards), but his form for quite a while has been diabolical, and his replacement has been good.
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I can only say again, 1) would you expect Clarke to come out and say that Haddin's career is over round about now? The decisions don't have to be made for about 4 months.

2) I think that the selectors want to win matches. If they think Haddin can help them do that more than Wade, so be it.

I wouldn't agree with them. I've never been a fan of Haddin, but this selection panel consists of five people, not just Clarke. One of the selectors is Rod Marsh and another is John inverarity. Neither of them are spineless twits and both of them have a shite-load of experience so if a selection panel ends up choosing Haddin, they'd probably have good reasons for it.
 
Doodlesweaver said:
I can only say again, 1) would you expect Clarke to come out and say that Haddin's career is over round about now? The decisions don't have to be made for about 4 months.

2) I think that the selectors want to win matches. If they think Haddin can help them do that more than Wade, so be it.

I wouldn't agree with them. I've never been a fan of Haddin, but this selection panel consists of five people, not just Clarke. One of the selectors is Rod Marsh and another is John inverarity. Neither of them are spineless twits and both of them have a shite-load of experience so if a selection panel ends up choosing Haddin, they'd probably have good reasons for it.
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Its a pity no one else can see a good reason. The bloke has not barely scored a run in over 12 months and his keeping has been horrible.

I don't know why anyone would not persist with Wade. He was ok behind the stumps in very difficult conditions to keep and while he did not make alot of big scores he showed he could face alot of balls and dig in and his century was a classic. He is 24 and will get better and I think it would be crazy not to stick with him.
 
Doodlesweaver said:
I can only say again, 1) would you expect Clarke to come out and say that Haddin's career is over round about now? The decisions don't have to be made for about 4 months.

2) I think that the selectors want to win matches. If they think Haddin can help them do that more than Wade, so be it.

I wouldn't agree with them. I've never been a fan of Haddin, but this selection panel consists of five people, not just Clarke. One of the selectors is Rod Marsh and another is John inverarity. Neither of them are spineless twits and both of them have a shite-load of experience so if a selection panel ends up choosing Haddin, they'd probably have good reasons for it.
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I agree that Clarke shouldn't be coming out now and saying Haddin's career is over. But he doesn't need to guarantee his career will continue either which is what he is doing at the moment.

Just stay quiet on the matter and let nature take its course. If they do drop Haddin net summer it is now going to look like Clarke and the other selectors are going in different directions. Wade needs to ficus on playing cricket, not here his captain say you are not my number 1.
 
Doodlesweaver said:
I can only say again, 1) would you expect Clarke to come out and say that Haddin's career is over round about now? The decisions don't have to be made for about 4 months.

2) I think that the selectors want to win matches. If they think Haddin can help them do that more than Wade, so be it.

I wouldn't agree with them. I've never been a fan of Haddin, but this selection panel consists of five people, not just Clarke. One of the selectors is Rod Marsh and another is John inverarity. Neither of them are spineless twits and both of them have a shite-load of experience so if a selection panel ends up choosing Haddin, they'd probably have good reasons for it.
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1) As the poster above said, I have no problem with him not saying Haddin's career is over, but don't come out and say 'he is a certainty to come straight back in' when his replacement has in his one series, easily outperformed Haddins last 12 months or so.

2) Yes the selectors want to win matches, but nothing is ever that cut and dry, there are ALWAYS factors other than performance which can affect selection. When we are dominant (early mid 90's-mid 2000's) it doesn't really hurt us, but when we slip a bit, having 'marketing' selections can cause us to be thoroughly embarassed by the old enemy.

I agree this selection panel is a step forward, and I'd be somewhat surprised if we saw Haddin again, but still, Clarke's comments really weren't what you want from your captain.
 
That drop catch might be the un doing of Matthew Wade as the Australia keeper with Tim Paine knocking down the door.

Paine's just as good a batter and definately a better keeper. Being a Victoria I dont want to see Wade gone, but Tim Paine ticks all the boxes and has the image Australian selectors love.

Watch this space....
 

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Maybe if Tim Paine was scoring runs.

Chris Hartley would be a bigger threat IMO, but ATM Wade's batting is good enough to hold his place down.
 
I hope Wade stays. But its been sooo obvious that the Australian selectors have been itching to get Paine into the line up.

It will happen.
 

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