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Outshined said:
Prior to Wade's selection there were a few question marks over his keeping, particularly to spinners but from memory he was never as bad during his time in the Shield and even during his debut series in the West Indies (feel free to correct if that's not the case, but I'm fairly certain he performed satisfactorily behind the stumps). So, it would appear to me that this recent spate of dropped chances off our spinners may be as much of a confidence issue as anything. He deserves first crack at India as the incumbent, and it will be his acid test, but talk of dropping him now is pretty damn premature and knee-jerk.

If the selectors were to bite the bullet and play him at number 6 due to his poor keeping (or drop him entirely), you sure as hell wouldn't bring in Haddin. Common sense would dictate you bring in the best keeper in the country, which IMO is Hartley. There's no way in hell you'd select Paine off Big Bash form.
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Except Wade:
Who's the best keeper in the Shield on batting average? Brad Haddin
Who's the best keeper in the Shield on runs scored? Brad Haddin

Not saying I would pick Haddin, but saying you can't select Paine off BB form and then saying Hartley is the best (assuming based on SS form) is pretty ridiculous if you ignore the player in the most form.
 
Bradesmaen said:
Except Wade:
Who's the best keeper in the Shield on batting average? Brad Haddin
Who's the best keeper in the Shield on runs scored? Brad Haddin

Not saying I would pick Haddin, but saying you can't select Paine off BB form and then saying Hartley is the best (assuming based on SS form) is pretty ridiculous if you ignore the player in the most form.
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Missed the point. Hartley's selection in that hypothetical scenario is based upon being the best gloveman in the country and the assumption that batting shouldn't come into the selection of a wicket keeper, and it's a pretty safe assumption to make if the selectors were to drop Wade based purely on his keeping.

But yeh, if we were to go on batting then Hads would be first in line. Some would argue that's the mistake we've made with Wade.
 

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Outshined said:
Missed the point. Hartley's selection in that hypothetical scenario is based upon being the best gloveman in the country and the assumption that batting shouldn't come into the selection of a wicket keeper, and it's a pretty safe assumption to make if the selectors were to drop Wade based purely on his keeping.

But yeh, if we were to go on batting then Hads would be first in line. Some would argue that's the mistake we've made with Wade.
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Paine and Hartley are equals in keeping then.
 
Bradesmaen said:
Paine and Hartley are equals in keeping then.
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Boils down to a matter of opinion. Purely based on keeping I reckon Hartley just pips Paine. With Neville behind followed by Wade and Haddin (that's not considering the younger gen of keepers like Ludeman and Triffit).
 
I'm not a Haddin fan but over the years, I have rarely seen him drop catches.

Re: recall, whilst he is old and we would be better off in the long run to give Khawaja/Maxwell a run, we have lost a lot of experience this Summer so I don't think it would be too rash to play him as a batsman. Could also field at second slip now that I think about it.

The amount of Paine love I am seeing is crazy in my own opinion. It's T20 for christ sakes, 20 overs behind the stumps and you're done. I'm not writing him off, but considering him for selection after a handful of games is silly.
 
If you need a reminder of Haddin dropping a catch, just watch the Sydney test against India last year. You could have steered the QE2 through the gap his arms made off a regulation edge from Gambhir.
 
Wade is a horrible keeper but a good batsman. So he's made a hundred today and it was especially when we needed it. But he's dropped at least 4 "regulation" catches through this test not to mention the rest of the summer. And he really should have been out 2 or 3 times yesterday but due to poor fielding he wasn't.

He needs to improve his keeping quickly or someone, maybe Tim Paine maybe someone else, will take his spot.

I brang up Tim Paine in the OP because he is a poster boy and we all know Australian selectors (and/especially advertisers) love a poster boy. Regardless whether Hartley, Ludeman or Haddin is better... Paine still wins out on that point - not that I agree with it but its reality and surely by now people know thats how things work
 
I guess his problem at the moment is he doesn't seem to consider that the ball might hit the edge. The miss in the first innings was terrible, he has no anticipation. If any spinner could exploit grass on the wicket (that's what she said!) it would be The Lawnmower Man - incidentally, loved that killer stare he shot down the pitch when Confused Matthew was rubbing his shoulder.
 
DeeWong6996 said:
I'm not a Haddin fan but over the years, I have rarely seen him drop catches.
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It was his regular dropping of catches, plus his irresponsible batting over the last couple of seasons that saw Haddin come under pressure in the Australian side (we didn't see Wade throw his wicket away when we were 5 for very few in the 3rd Test against South Africa). As we all know he lost his place in the Test team due to wanting to be with his ill daughter (as any father would do) & Wade seizing his opportunity in the West Indies.

Wade obviously has some way to go before he can feel totally safe in the Australian team, but given he has demonstrated he is capable at International level & as a 25 year old, with only 10 Tests experience, he deserves to be persevered with, given his only real deficiency has been when keeping to Lyon this summer. You cannot just keep turning your wicket-keepers over, particularly when each & every one of the alternatives in our domestic competition all have various flaws in their game as well.
 
Outshined said:
If you need a reminder of Haddin dropping a catch, just watch the Sydney test against India last year. You could have steered the QE2 through the gap his arms made off a regulation edge from Gambhir.
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I remember that one actually! That looked really bad....

Paine is the best keeper of the real contenders
 

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frankrizzo said:
Normally you would say no he couldn't play in the top 6 but with hussey gone wade actually has the next best batting average(after clarke) in our top 6 which is kinda depressing.

My issue is him moving permanently to 6 so we can accommodate an over the hill haddin as a keeper.
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Warner has an average in the mid 40s as well.
 
You need to give a keeper 12 months to settle into test cricket, Wade is going to be a good keeper, you just have to be patient.
 
Good to hear Kerry O'Keefe backing Wade and the end of the day. He said his keeping obviously needs work but so did Marsh's and Gilchrist at the same age. Wade is extremely young for a keeper playing for Australia, his keeping up to the stumps will improve. Marsh was at a similar age to Wade when he started.
 
By giving Wade a few years in the test side to improve his keeping it means you basically shut the door on Tim Paine's test career, which I don't think is all that fair when Paine was the first choice keeper ahead of Wade before he was injured.

Wade better improve his keeping quickly or he'll be in danger of losing his spot no matter how many runs he scores.
 

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Plugger35 said:
By giving Wade a few years in the test side to improve his keeping it means you basically shut the door on Tim Paine's test career, which I don't think is all that fair when Paine was the first choice keeper ahead of Wade before he was injured.

Wade better improve his keeping quickly or he'll be in danger of losing his spot no matter how many runs he scores.
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Wade - 25 years 10 days
Paine - 28 years 28 days
Paine has also had mediocre shield form on return and has a finger that will always trouble him. I don't think Wade should be too bothered by Paine at this stage; maybe Haddin. Paine just won't offer return on investment.
 
quite easy to think Wade is doing a bad job considering all the commentators want to do is point out every single mistake he makes. It never happened to Gilchrist because Healy was well and truely retired.

The sooner Haddin rules himself out of test cricket the better.
 
crownie said:
quite easy to think Wade is doing a bad job considering all the commentators want to do is point out every single mistake he makes. It never happened to Gilchrist because Healy was well and truely retired.

The sooner Haddin rules himself out of test cricket the better.
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So you don't think Wade is doing a poor job keeping to spinners?
 

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