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themidlandmaster said:
Wade has two centuries and two half centuries already, on both occasions his century won the game in a total of 16 innings. How is that not consistent?
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It's funny how some people knock his batting yet he already has as many centuries under his belt as Watson.
 
crownie said:
im sure england will enjoy playing against an Australia team with Wade batting 6. Handy bat when he is keeping but not good enough to play test cricket as a bat.
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He's a better bat than Watson or Cowan. Who would you bring in to replace him then?
 
Plugger35 said:
I wasn't around when Rod Marsh started out as a keeper but I can't recall Healy or Gilchrist making as many mistakes as Wade has early in their careers, they were both pretty good keeping to Warne.
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Nah, Gilly was pretty rank early on. And towards the end as well. But he learnt to do a pretty good job for Warne by the time he'd been in the team a while.

But as long as Wade doesn't throw his glove at the ball on his first tour to India, he'll still be miles ahead of Badhands.
 
Plugger35 said:
I wasn't around when Rod Marsh started out as a keeper but I can't recall Healy or Gilchrist making as many mistakes as Wade has early in their careers, they were both pretty good keeping to Warne.
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Read the story about Healy's first tour to Pakistan - he was so bad, he almost had to be talked out of going home.
 

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Just had an interesting discussion with a work colleague of plays district cricket in Melbourne. His view on Wade is interesting.

He says that you need to look at Wade in three ways as the way cricket is played in this country it is important to differentiate the skills.
1. Batting - ticks every box there is for keepers in this country and is a clear #1 as a batsmen. Haddin is too impulsive and can't tone it down and farm teh strike when with the tail. Just look at Wade's two centuries and you realise he can do it.

2. Keeping to pace - No issues when comparing him to those in consideration for his position.

3. Keeping to spin - clearly needs work. The problem is that in Australia there is not a lot of keeping done to spin bowling at a first class level. This means that when you are suddenly at international level it is exposed and this has happened repeatedly with keepers in Australia over the last 40 years. Marsh, Healy, Gilchrist, Haddin all had problems with spin bowling when they started their international careers (Haddins didn't improve though), so with that we need to get him doing more work. He reckons that Wade should keep to spin bowlers in the nets with someone batting, practice is the only thing that will sort it out.
 
Slax said:
Just had an interesting discussion with a work colleague of plays district cricket in Melbourne. His view on Wade is interesting.

He says that you need to look at Wade in three ways as the way cricket is played in this country it is important to differentiate the skills.
1. Batting - ticks every box there is for keepers in this country and is a clear #1 as a batsmen. Haddin is too impulsive and can't tone it down and farm teh strike when with the tail. Just look at Wade's two centuries and you realise he can do it.

2. Keeping to pace - No issues when comparing him to those in consideration for his position.

3. Keeping to spin - clearly needs work. The problem is that in Australia there is not a lot of keeping done to spin bowling at a first class level. This means that when you are suddenly at international level it is exposed and this has happened repeatedly with keepers in Australia over the last 40 years. Marsh, Healy, Gilchrist, Haddin all had problems with spin bowling when they started their international careers (Haddins didn't improve though), so with that we need to get him doing more work. He reckons that Wade should keep to spin bowlers in the nets with someone batting, practice is the only thing that will sort it out.
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Fair assessment
 
There is too much emphasis on batting in this thread. The Australian team need the person who performs the best behind the stumps ..... no the better batsman. The past test saw Wade make three serious errors for a keeper but they have been overlooked somewhat because we won the test.
  • He missed a catch of the spinner which most test keepers would have taken. (Even Healey mentioned that he didnt move his body and gloves correctly.)
  • He didnt even go for a catch which he should have taken in the 2nd innings. Luckily Michael Clarke dived to his left and took the catch down low. (Ian Chappell mentioned that he never took a catch on his left hand side while fielding at 1st slip during his test careers because that was the keepers responsibility.)
  • He made a horrible attempt to throw the ball to the bowlers end during an easy run-out chance. He should have removed his glove before throwing the ball.
Unfortunately he is not a natural keeper but he will do an acceptable role until the person who is most qualified as the Australian gloveman comes to fruition. Batting should not take precedence on what happens behind the stumps.
 
Beasley said:
Unfortunately he is not a natural keeper but he will do an acceptable role until the person who is most qualified as the Australian gloveman comes to fruition. Batting should not take precedence on what happens behind the stumps.
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This is true, but the selectors' mindset, as stated by John Inverarity, is they want the best keeper/batsman, not the be best keeper who bats a bit. This is understandable given how fragile the Australian top order is. Realistically, the selectors are selecting 7 batsman to overcome this fragility & one of those batsmen has to be a wicket-keeper.
 
mediumsizered said:
This is true, but the selectors' mindset, as stated by John Inverarity, is they want the best keeper/batsman, not the be best keeper who bats a bit. This is understandable given how fragile the Australian top order is. Realistically, the selectors are selecting 7 batsman to overcome this fragility & one of those batsmen has to be a wicket-keeper.
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Totally agree.
 
mediumsizered said:
This is true, but the selectors' mindset, as stated by John Inverarity, is they want the best keeper/batsman, not the be best keeper who bats a bit. This is understandable given how fragile the Australian top order is. Realistically, the selectors are selecting 7 batsman to overcome this fragility & one of those batsmen has to be a wicket-keeper.
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Totally agree. If we had a top 6 like we did a decade ago I'd be campaigning for us to pick the best keeper, but we don't.

But look at the positive though, Prior is a very ordinary gloveman as well.
 
I think Wade will improve, he is still quite young.

The major thing I don't like is how he takes the balls to the spinners. It's hard to explain what I mean but the way he does it he takes it almost side on whenever there's a bit of bounce. It's going to make it much harder for him to take edges that go to the 'outside' of whatever side he is keeping on (like the missed Lyon one) because he isn't presenting the full face of the gloves to the ball.

I understand as a short guy it might mean he needs to take the ball like that but I wouldn't mind seeing that change.
 

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Honestly i think atm he's trying to hard with his keeping because he keeps quite well to spinners at domestic level.. It looks like he's focusing on more than just the ball right now which is a cardinal sin for a keeper.. well a good keeper. Just needs to keep it simple.
 
Beasley said:
There is too much emphasis on batting in this thread. The Australian team need the person who performs the best behind the stumps ..... no the better batsman. The past test saw Wade make three serious errors for a keeper but they have been overlooked somewhat because we won the test.
  • He missed a catch of the spinner which most test keepers would have taken. (Even Healey mentioned that he didnt move his body and gloves correctly.)
  • He didnt even go for a catch which he should have taken in the 2nd innings. Luckily Michael Clarke dived to his left and took the catch down low. (Ian Chappell mentioned that he never took a catch on his left hand side while fielding at 1st slip during his test careers because that was the keepers responsibility.)
  • He made a horrible attempt to throw the ball to the bowlers end during an easy run-out chance. He should have removed his glove before throwing the ball.
Unfortunately he is not a natural keeper but he will do an acceptable role until the person who is most qualified as the Australian gloveman comes to fruition. Batting should not take precedence on what happens behind the stumps.
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He dropped a catch up to the stumps that bounced a bit more than usual and people are carrying on as if Kamran Akmal is now keeping for us.
 
Amazing comments on this thread. At the current time Wade is a very ordinary keeper up at the stumps. Biggest problem is he does not just drop them, he has no anticipation and in reality he is only keeping to Lyon who barely tests most batsmen. In reality we need to create 3-4 extra chances per match due to his keeping. Let's say each chance might be worth 20 runs. Wades 100 is only worth around 30-40 at best. Talk about him being a match winner are way off the mark.

We need a number 7 who is an excellent keeper and ideally average about 30. Gilly was a freak and we need to stop thinking wade will do the same. Like Warne (speaking of tossers) he is irreplaceable. Can you imagine the damage to the cause he might do in India.
 
The Convert said:
Amazing comments on this thread. At the current time Wade is a very ordinary keeper up at the stumps. Biggest problem is he does not just drop them, he has no anticipation and in reality he is only keeping to Lyon who barely tests most batsmen. In reality we need to create 3-4 extra chances per match due to his keeping. Let's say each chance might be worth 20 runs. Wades 100 is only worth around 30-40 at best. Talk about him being a match winner are way off the mark.

We need a number 7 who is an excellent keeper and ideally average about 30. Gilly was a freak and we need to stop thinking wade will do the same. Like Warne (speaking of tossers) he is irreplaceable. Can you imagine the damage to the cause he might do in India.
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This all of a sudden 2 half chances go down per innings and he needs to score a 50+ just to come out even.

Paine or Hartley's plus minus would be less then 10 with the bat. anything more then that is a win.
 
Plugger35 said:
By giving Wade a few years in the test side to improve his keeping it means you basically shut the door on Tim Paine's test career, which I don't think is all that fair when Paine was the first choice keeper ahead of Wade before he was injured.
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Ask Tim Zoehrer, Phil Emry & Darren Berry about that.

I always thought they should have handed the gloves to Paine after Gilchrist's retirement, but they didn't.

Because there is only 1 Keeper in the side, there is always a hard luck story when a young keeper gets into the side long term. And it looks like Paine might be this generations story.
 
What happens to young people in their first year of AFL, they get tired in the second half. Wade a young keeper in his first year starts to show similar signs and we want a lynch mob after him.

How about we pull him out of the ODI series, let him work on his game for Victoria in the 4 day game, and reap the benefits in India.

We all have seen his keeping in the West Indies and for Victoria, this is mental tiredness and pressure, lets work on his endurance and keep him out of the spotlight for a month.
 

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lionbear said:
We all have seen his keeping in the West Indies.
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I bet a large majority of the posters on here haven't. Most of BF (and Australians really) just don't watch cricket played outside of the country aside from World Cups and maybe the Ashes.

You only need to look at all the Lyon bashing to see an example of this.
 
think he needs improvement, no doubt about that. but i wish people would understand that every keeper in the world is going to miss some edges while they are standing up to the stumps, takes a lot of luck that they are thin enough and end up in the gloves. his missed stumpings are alarming though.
 
i would be extremely hesitant in handing Paine the gloves for at least another year. He has had a lot of surgery on his hand and I'd want to be 100% sure that he could handle the dramtic increase in workload before giving him a shot. I am also not sold on Hartley being any better against spin either.
 
He really needs to work on his technique when keeping up to the stumps. Other than that I've been pretty happy with Wade. He's making runs and his catching has been pretty good.

I'd say Haddin is probably better up to the stumps but like others have said, he throws his wicket away. Also why bother giving Haddin more time when he's already approaching retirement age anyway?
 
Beasley said:
There is too much emphasis on batting in this thread. The Australian team need the person who performs the best behind the stumps ..... no the better batsman.
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I agree, particularly in test cricket.

In test match cricket, a wicket is much more valuable than - say - a difference of 25 runs. I would much prefer a guy (Paine) who may average a bit less with the bat but nails his chances when they come.

Ideally we'd get both and while its fine to say Wade can improve his keeping, we can also say Paine can improve his batting and more than anything , I DO NOT want to see Pieterson scoring 200 after being dropped on 5 next year...

Either way, it looks like we're going to continue to have a Tasmanian in the natonal team and that is a good thing. :thumbsu:
 

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