McGregor Wants Out - Channel 10

[jenny61_99]

not a theory, that's never been true.

the cardinal sin for any key forward is to be outmarked. that, and not chasing as the ball is run out.

What So you are saying that the job of a marking forward is to bring it to ground first and mark it second???? Any credibility you had just went completely out the window. That's the most ridiculous thing Ive read since your last post.

 

[Allefgib]

What So you are saying that the job of a marking forward is to bring it to ground first and mark it second???? Any credibility you had just went completely out the window. That's the most ridiculous thing Ive read since your last post.

I think what Crow-Mo is saying is that the highest priority for a Key forward is at the very least to provide a contest and bring the ball to ground for his teammates to work off him. Then mark it, as an improvement, over that bare minimum requirement.

 

[GlaCial]

The problem with Kenny is he has never appeared overly confident when marking. He rarely out-leads his opponent, jumps before the ball gets to him whilst on the run, and then marks the ball in front of his eyes. This means a quick, smaller type of defender could take him out of the game, and potentially hurt him on the rebound. Putting it simply he is a crap lead, stand and mark type of player. This he does quite well. But it certainly isn't glamorous. He has also developed a lack of confidence with his kick under Craig. It's obvious that he has changed his kicking technique which has improved his accuracy but he does not seem to get much power out of his kick.

 

[baaaallllll]

The problem with Kenny is he has never appeared overly confident when marking. He rarely out-leads his opponent, jumps before the ball gets to him whilst on the run, and then marks the ball in front of his eyes. This means a quick, smaller type of defender could take him out of the game, and potentially hurt him on the rebound. Putting it simply he is a crap lead, stand and mark type of player. This he does quite well. But it certainly isn't glamorous. He has also developed a lack of confidence with his kick under Craig. It's obvious that he has changed his kicking technique which has improved his accuracy but he does not seem to get much power out of his kick.

The problem with Kenny is he has never appeared overly confident when marking.

Can't agree with you there, Kenny's best asset is his ability to contest a mark.

jumps before the ball gets to him whilst on the run, and then marks the ball in front of his eyes.

Isn't marking the ball in front of your eyes the best place to mark, hard for defenders to get a fist on it without reaching over your shoulder or hacking your arms. Agree that he is not so much of a lead and mark type player, but there are others who can do that in our forward line.

This means a quick, smaller type of defender could take him out of the game, and potentially hurt him on the rebound.

Yes he is not the most fleet footed player and if you put a small on him yes if it hits the ground then his defender has a good chance to clear the ball. But put a small backman on him at your peril. He will hurt you on the scoreboard if you allow him to dominate in the air.

He has also developed a lack of confidence with his kick under Craig. It's obvious that he has changed his kicking technique which has improved his accuracy but he does not seem to get much power out of his kick.

He looked to kick okay when he slotted 4 against the Hawks??

 

[jenny61_99]

I think what Crow-Mo is saying is that the highest priority for a Key forward is at the very least to provide a contest and bring the ball to ground for his teammates to work off him. Then mark it, as an improvement, over that bare minimum requirement.

No, he was saying the thing that he should do first is bring the ball to ground. There is a HUGE difference between "at the very least" and "what he should do first".

My argument re Kenny is that he can mark and he can kick goals, but if he misses the mark that's pretty much it. He's useless once the ball goes to ground and can apply no defensive pressure whatsoever.

 

[GlaCial]

Can't agree with you there, Kenny's best asset is his ability to contest a mark.

Isn't marking the ball in front of your eyes the best place to mark, hard for defenders to get a fist on it without reaching over your shoulder or hacking your arms. Agree that he is not so much of a lead and mark type player, but there are others who can do that in our forward line.

I agree that his best asset is contested mark, but some would say it is his only asset. So if that is the case, then he has to be damn good at it. What I meant by "marking the ball in front of his eyes" was, with arms out-stretched in front of him, but I think he prefers to mark the ball on his chest.

He looked to kick okay when he slotted 4 against the Hawks??

He looked okay, but he didn't look confident. What I am referring to was the shot from the boundary line, which he slotted through. He spent too much time looking in-board for a lead. So I questioned his confidence. Also, I don't think he can kick a goal from more than 40 m. Would you play him anywhere but the FF line?

 

[GlaCial]

My argument re Kenny is that he can mark and he can kick goals, but if he misses the mark that's pretty much it. He's useless once the ball goes to ground and can apply no defensive pressure whatsoever.

I agree. And I think it is the reason why he has struggled to get a game. I wonder if he has been a victim of a struggling team. I don't think Adelaide got it forward combinations right. Whereas once Port got their right they went from chumps to champs (eg introducing Westhoff).

 

[baaaallllll]

I agree that his best asset is contested mark, but some would say it is his only asset. So if that is the case, then he has to be damn good at it. What I meant by "marking the ball in front of his eyes" was, with arms out-stretched in front of him, but I think he prefers to mark the ball on his chest.



He looked okay, but he didn't look confident. What I am referring to was the shot from the boundary line, which he slotted through. He spent too much time looking in-board for a lead. So I questioned his confidence. Also, I don't think he can kick a goal from more than 40 m. Would you play him anywhere but the FF line?

The guy can play forward and play back, J Brown once rated him as the best CHB to play on him (no doubt prior to Truck being on the scene) so yes he can play elsewhere.

Also I think any player should be looking for an option in board if they are on the boundary. Who cares if a guy looks confident or not it is the result that counts. I can't look when Trent Hentschel has a kick for goal but he seems to slot it more often than not.

I guess the point I would like to make is that the Crows are losing a very valuable player and it appears because he is leaving we all focus on the negatives of the player to somehow make us feel better about it.

I just think we under estimate the value of Kenny. I hope I am wrong and I hope we get something decent for him.

 

[Jars458]

Gill was rubbish on the weekend too; terrible game for talls.

He was beaten by one of the best players in the SANFL Mark McKenzie who I can't belive couldn't get a run in the AFL. Pace would have been his only issue.

 

[Asgardian]

The same Mark McKenzie that has been on both Port's & Carlton's Rookie lists

 

[GlaCial]

The guy can play forward and play back, J Brown once rated him as the best CHB to play on him (no doubt prior to Truck being on the scene) so yes he can play elsewhere.

Looks to me as though he is behind Truck, Bassett, Bock and now Stevens for key defenders.

I guess the point I would like to make is that the Crows are losing a very valuable player and it appears because he is leaving we all focus on the negatives of the player to somehow make us feel better about it.

I just think we under estimate the value of Kenny. I hope I am wrong and I hope we get something decent for him.

I think he is a valuable player too. So why is he so keen to leave? Remember Adelaide have offered him a contract. We bring up the negatives because we want to soften the blow. Emphasizing the positives just makes the thought of losing him harder to accept.

 

[jenny61_99]

Looks to me as though he is behind Truck, Bassett, Bock and now Stevens for key defenders.



I think he is a valuable player too. So why is he so keen to leave? Remember Adelaide have offered him a contract. We bring up the negatives because we want to soften the blow. Emphasizing the positives just makes the thought of losing him harder to accept.

I probably am one of the few who wouldn't mind seeing both Kenny and Perrie go this year - as much as I admire both players. I think our forward line has lacked something for MANY years and they have been a part of that combination that has failed miserably. Whether they are too similar, or not mobile enough, or don't get the right feed from the mid-field or don't have the crumbing forward to pounce and attack once the ball goes to ground, or a combination of all of the above - we desperately need to get a forward line that works. I don't believe we have made it work with either of them in our side for many years. Time for something new.

 

[AndrewJo]

The guy can play forward and play back, J Brown once rated him as the best CHB to play on him (no doubt prior to Truck being on the scene) so yes he can play elsewhere.

Also I think any player should be looking for an option in board if they are on the boundary. Who cares if a guy looks confident or not it is the result that counts. I can't look when Trent Hentschel has a kick for goal but he seems to slot it more often than not.

I guess the point I would like to make is that the Crows are losing a very valuable player and it appears because he is leaving we all focus on the negatives of the player to somehow make us feel better about it.

I just think we under estimate the value of Kenny. I hope I am wrong and I hope we get something decent for him.

And Roo was once rated a great player...time passes on...injuries take their toll.

 

[Tas]

No, he was saying the thing that he should do first is bring the ball to ground. There is a HUGE difference between "at the very least" and "what he should do first".

My argument re Kenny is that he can mark and he can kick goals, but if he misses the mark that's pretty much it. He's useless once the ball goes to ground and can apply no defensive pressure whatsoever.

I think you are being a bit harsh on Kenny. He is capable of putting pressure on someone of a similar build. As a forward what you want is someone that can lead and present well, has good hands and can kick accurately but the most important thing is having someone who can contest. When the ball hits the ground that is where the small forwards come into play.

I rather have a forward that is good at getting the ball than have someone that can't get it but is more competitive on the ground.

 

[jenny61_99]

I think you are being a bit harsh on Kenny. He is capable of putting pressure on someone of a similar build. As a forward what you want is someone that can lead and present well, has good hands and can kick accurately but the most important thing is having someone who can contest. When the ball hits the ground that is where the small forwards come into play.

I rather have a forward that is good at getting the ball than have someone that can't get it but is more competitive on the ground.

I'd rather have ONE that could do both!

 

[Crow-mo]

What So you are saying that the job of a marking forward is to bring it to ground first and mark it second???? Any credibility you had just went completely out the window. That's the most ridiculous thing Ive read since your last post.

should you be talking abou credibility?

 

[Crow-mo]

I think what Crow-Mo is saying is that the highest priority for a Key forward is at the very least to provide a contest and bring the ball to ground for his teammates to work off him. Then mark it, as an improvement, over that bare minimum requirement.

precisely.

 

[jenny61_99]

should you be talking abou credibility?

Actually yes I can. I don't pull everyone I disagree with down with condescending, snide comments. I put my opinion forward (rightly or wrongly) and I will argue the case to the best of my ability. I will accept when Im proven wrong and apologise if I've made mistakes. I don't claim to know it all, unlike some.

The best advice I could give you is this. You have sometimes some real quality to what you say. But most of the time you detract from that by playing the man, not the ball. If you just stuck to your opinions without trying to belittle others, life would be so much nicer for all involved.

 

[crow87]

I'd rather have ONE that could do both!

So would I but we don't have Matthew Pavlich, Nick Riewoldt etc and the reality is that Kenny is a good player, albeit one in a class below the aforementioned standouts. You can't just pluck star KPP out of thin air, as far as they go I'd rate McGregor a 7, with 0 being Daniel Schell and 10 being the Pav.

 

[Slick Dog Johnson]

Actually yes I can. I don't pull everyone I disagree with down with condescending, snide comments. I put my opinion forward (rightly or wrongly) and I will argue the case to the best of my ability. I will accept when Im proven wrong and apologise if I've made mistakes. I don't claim to know it all, unlike some.

The best advice I could give you is this. You have sometimes some real quality to what you say. But most of the time you detract from that by playing the man, not the ball. If you just stuck to your opinions without trying to belittle others, life would be so much nicer for all involved.

 

[out of order]

mines better

 

[CrowMagnum]

I probably am one of the few who wouldn't mind seeing both Kenny and Perrie go this year - as much as I admire both players. I think our forward line has lacked something for MANY years and they have been a part of that combination that has failed miserably. Whether they are too similar, or not mobile enough, or don't get the right feed from the mid-field or don't have the crumbing forward to pounce and attack once the ball goes to ground, or a combination of all of the above - we desperately need to get a forward line that works. I don't believe we have made it work with either of them in our side for many years. Time for something new.

You're not alone. They've both been on the outer this year and with good reason.

Perrie has been a willing workhorse with a big heart etc etc but his time has passed and he can't even make the North Adelaide team. Time for accolades and reminiscing and a dignified retirement.

As for Ken, yes he takes a contested mark but playing AFL football is much more than that. He was our best defender before Rutten but is now too slow to keep up, and in attack if he doesn't mark it he invariably falls over and is out of the contest. Good luck to him - elsewhere. I hope he makes a good fist of it.

 

[jenny61_99]

Yep. Look I think it's sad when an era comes to an end.. Perrie and Kenny have both been great servants of the Club. But without a doubt, our biggest downfall for years has been our forward structure and delivery into that structure. Time to find new options.

 

[GlaCial]

Yep. Look I think it's sad when an era comes to an end.. Perrie and Kenny have both been great servants of the Club. But without a doubt, our biggest downfall for years has been our forward structure and delivery into that structure. Time to find new options.

I would like to see Kenny stay. But given he is slow he would have to bulk up and increase his strength. Looks to me as though he has shed some kilos or dropped back his weights training.

 

[BlackDouglas]

Actually yes I can. I don't pull everyone I disagree with down with condescending, snide comments. I put my opinion forward (rightly or wrongly) and I will argue the case to the best of my ability. I will accept when Im proven wrong and apologise if I've made mistakes. I don't claim to know it all, unlike some.

No you only do that to players, coaches and administrators of the Adelaide Football Club.