Merged Warnock Trade Thread

[Big Cox]

Re: Warnock nominates Carlton

Spoken with someone VERY close to Fremantle and will probably be in the trading room on the day this goes through

Fremantle are desperately seeking QUANTITY rather then quality. They have a massive hole in the list of 10 players and with Warnock they wish to secure up to 3 prizes (ie. 3 draft picks or 2 draft picks and a player).

The saying that throwing 2 pieces of trash to find a treasure could be true here. Its expected you will just offer your 2nd + 4th rounder but Freo will push strongly for you to trade for another pick and give that to them.

Something along the lines of pick 24 56 and 60 is wh at Freo want.

 

[HBF]

Re: Warnock nominates Carlton

Great news for Carlton. I would have thought both clubs could sort this out between themselves, and not get a third club involved.

 

[Lach72]

Re: Warnock nominates Carlton

Adelaide gain: Pick 6 (Carlton), Pick 21 (Freo)
Carlton gain: Pick 10 (Crows), Warnock
Fremantle gain: Griffin, Pick 37 (Carlton)

Adelaide lose: Pick 10, Griffin
Carlton lose: Pick 6, Pick 37
Fremantle lose: Warnock, Pick 21

I suggested this on the Crows board, and I am a Crows supporter so feel free to throw the one-eyed tag around or tell me I am on the right track. Was mentioned that Crows would also need to give their 3rd pick to Freo which sounds OK to me too.

SO, in essence freo get screwed and Adelaide get the best deal for a guy who is not as good or has as much potential as Warnock? Yeah, sounds great

 

[rgauci]

Re: Warnock nominates Carlton

Adelaide gain: Pick 6 (Carlton), Pick 21 (Freo)
Carlton gain: Pick 10 (Crows), Warnock
Fremantle gain: Griffin, Pick 37 (Carlton)

Adelaide lose: Pick 10, Griffin
Carlton lose: Pick 6, Pick 37
Fremantle lose: Warnock, Pick 21

I suggested this on the Crows board, and I am a Crows supporter so feel free to throw the one-eyed tag around or tell me I am on the right track. Was mentioned that Crows would also need to give their 3rd pick to Freo which sounds OK to me too.

Fremantle lose big time.

Warnock is worth more than Griffin, not less.

Carlton huge winners in that deal, drop 4 places in 1st round, plus some 3rd rounder, and they get Warnock.

 

[HBF]

Re: Warnock nominates Carlton

The saying that throwing 2 pieces of trash to find a treasure could be true here. Its expected you will just offer your 2nd + 4th rounder but Freo will push strongly for you to trade for another pick and give that to them.

Something along the lines of pick 24 56 and 60 is wh at Freo want.

I would have thought selection #24 and a player would have been good enough. I suggested Brad Fisher to be that player.

 

[Big Cox]

Re: Warnock nominates Carlton

I would have thought selection #24 and a player would have been good enough. I suggested Brad Fisher to be that player.

Only player Freo want is Jonathon Griffin

 

[Lach72]

Re: Warnock nominates Carlton

How is that meant to be taken any way other then offensively?



Yeah, you should hope that we take Naitanui, then that'll mean that WC definitely take Rich.

How is that good for Freo?

Hamish Hartlett or Jack Zeibell...Naitanui frightens the hell out of me...

We've already had one Clive Waterhouse...

 

[HBF]

Re: Warnock nominates Carlton

Only player Freo want is Jonathon Griffin

So maybe a 3 way deal is on the cards.
Did your source say that they expected the trade to be done quite amicably?

 

[Big Cox]

Re: Warnock nominates Carlton

So maybe a 3 way deal is on the cards.
Did your source say that they expected the trade to be done quite amicably?

He said Freo want it done by early Thursday so they can do the deed for Griffin. Freo seem to think Warnock > Griffin so a 3 way trade wont be on the cards. Amicably... well no. They do have plan B in place that im sure Melbourne are more then happy with.

 

[Chris25]

Re: Warnock nominates Carlton

Seeing 3-way deals seem to be all the rage at the moment, I thought I would have a go at one.

Before the 3-way deal however, Adelaide would trade Johncock to Port Adelaide for Thomson and pick 38.

Now the 3-way deal between Adelaide, Carlton and Fremantle.

Adelaide gain: Pick 24 (Carlton), Pick 37 (Fremantle)
Carlton gain: Warnock
Fremantle gain: Griffen, Pick 38 (Adelaide), Pick 40 (Carlton)

Adelaide lose: Griffen, Pick 38 (originally from Port, so not really losing much)
Carlton lose: Pick 24, Pick 40
Fremantle lose: Warnock, Pick 37

To me, that all seems pretty fair. Fremantle get a ruckman and a couple of third round picks. Carlton get a ruckman for a 2nd and 3rd round pick. Adelaide get a 2nd and a 3rd round pick, and also Thomson from the Port trade.

 

[brent-83]

Re: Warnock nominates Carlton

Seeing 3-way deals seem to be all the rage at the moment, I thought I would have a go at one.

Before the 3-way deal however, Adelaide would trade Johncock to Port Adelaide for Thomson and pick 38.

Now the 3-way deal between Adelaide, Carlton and Fremantle.

Adelaide gain: Pick 24 (Carlton), Pick 37 (Fremantle)
Carlton gain: Warnock
Fremantle gain: Griffen, Pick 38 (Adelaide), Pick 40 (Carlton)

Adelaide lose: Griffen, Pick 38 (originally from Port, so not really losing much)
Carlton lose: Pick 24, Pick 40
Fremantle lose: Warnock, Pick 37

To me, that all seems pretty fair. Fremantle get a ruckman and a couple of third round picks. Carlton get a ruckman for a 2nd and 3rd round pick. Adelaide get a 2nd and a 3rd round pick, and also Thomson from the Port trade.

We also lose Johncock and gain a player who couldn't break into one of the worst teams in the league this year. Give me a break.

For people that forget, until injured mid year, Griffin was easily the premier young ruckman in the competition. At this stage of his career he is better than Warnock and their upside is probably very close to equal or slightly favoring Warnock.

Wood went for pick 14 and is no where near as good as Griffin, or Warnock for that matter. Griffin is also contracted. If you think Adelaide will let him go without having the upper hand in trading you are kidding yourself.

Either a first round in the 10-14 range, an upgrade of the first round and a 2nd round pick, or two second rounders would be the minimum.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Re: Warnock nominates Carlton

Leaves Hampson in a tough spot.

No doubt it does, and it's a surprising move for Warnock, whom Swann claims is seeking greater opportunity which is a bit of a laugh.

The Blues are in a good position though. If Warnock pans out as they hope, and Hampson shows good development, he'll be at a good age to be traded to the Gold Coast. Under the scheme the AFL have conjured up, they take age/draft position/salary ranking/B & F results into consideration. Hampson won't be doing anything much in the B & F and his salary will only be mediocre, but he will be young and he was taken early in the 2006 draft. So they should be well-compensated for him.

 

[Salaryman]

Re: Warnock nominates Carlton

Leaves Hampson in a tough spot.

I'm not sure it does. Actually it might take some pressure off him and allow him more game time and development in the 2's. In the future there is no reason that Warnock/Hampson can't be our ruck combo with Kreuz playing up forward or even on a wing a-la Richo

 

[Chris25]

Re: Warnock nominates Carlton

I knew Adelaide fans would complain about it. Essentially Adelaide are trading Johncock for a second round draft pick, which is a good deal especially for this draft. And Griffen for a 3rd round pick and Thomson isn't too bad. Thomson is a quality player, he just wasn't given a proper chance at Port.

Also people really need to stop talking about Cameron Wood. Everybody knows he wasn't worth a first round pick, but Collingwood were willing to pay it because they needed him. That deal has no relevance to Warnock or Griffen.

 

[brent-83]

Re: Warnock nominates Carlton

I knew Adelaide fans would complain about it. Essentially Adelaide are trading Johncock for a second round draft pick, which is a good deal especially for this draft. And Griffen for a 3rd round pick and Thomson isn't too bad. Thomson is a quality player, he just wasn't given a proper chance at Port.

Also people really need to stop talking about Cameron Wood. Everybody knows he wasn't worth a first round pick, but Collingwood were willing to pay it because they needed him. That deal has no relevance to Warnock or Griffen.

Just like you need Griffin, who is a required and contracted player at the Crows and who has shown more than any other ruckman available in this years draft. A 3rd rounder, and an in and under midfielder (which the Crows do not need) will not get it done.

 

[Mego Red]

Re: Warnock nominates Carlton

Seeing 3-way deals seem to be all the rage at the moment, I thought I would have a go at one.

Before the 3-way deal however, Adelaide would trade Johncock to Port Adelaide for Thomson and pick 38.

Now the 3-way deal between Adelaide, Carlton and Fremantle.

Adelaide gain: Pick 24 (Carlton), Pick 37 (Fremantle)
Carlton gain: Warnock
Fremantle gain: Griffen, Pick 38 (Adelaide), Pick 40 (Carlton)

Adelaide lose: Griffen, Pick 38 (originally from Port, so not really losing much)
Carlton lose: Pick 24, Pick 40
Fremantle lose: Warnock, Pick 37

To me, that all seems pretty fair. Fremantle get a ruckman and a couple of third round picks. Carlton get a ruckman for a 2nd and 3rd round pick. Adelaide get a 2nd and a 3rd round pick, and also Thomson from the Port trade.

Wow - this is one of the worst trades kicking around Big Footy at the moment. Congratulations.

Griffin is contracted and worth a pick between 14 and 21. The same is true for Johncock. Thomson would not make our starting line-up.

Warnock and Griffin have about the same value - EXCEPT the fact Warnock is uncontracted. Therefore, Freo should get slightly less than Adelaide.

Johncock would be worth Thomson and 22 to Port (and we'd ontrade Thomson), Griffin is worth 21 and 37.

 

[bzparkes]

Re: Warnock nominates Carlton

Um, I think people are missing the fact that just because Warnock has nominated Carlton, doesn't mean he's actually going to end up there. Dees can still pick him up for nothing in the PSD if a trade between Carlton and Freo can't get worked out. Freo actually could end up the real winners here if both Carlton and Melbourne are desperate for him as I hardly think Freo would let him go in the PSD for nothing.

 

[davey_magik]

Re: Warnock nominates Carlton

Money has gotten to him obviously. He'd get far more opportunity for us than at Carlton.

If we offer pick 19 it means Carlton have to throw in a player along with pick 24 for him at the least.

 

[raffrox]

Re: Warnock nominates Carlton

How close was Griffin to gting a game this year?

Equal to Warnock? Just not true.

Its also supply and demand. Freo wants Griffin. At least 4 clubs want Warnock.

 

[Wizard]

Re: Warnock nominates Carlton

Money has gotten to him obviously. He'd get far more opportunity for us than at Carlton.

If we offer pick 19 it means Carlton have to throw in a player along with pick 24 for him at the least.

Pick 19 + 17 and we will send Murphy your way. You can then take Warnock for free in the PSD.

Obviously not going to happen exactly like that but this is a detail of how it could work out if Carlton dont offer an adequate trade.

 

[Wizard]

Re: Warnock nominates Carlton

How close was Griffin to gting a game this year?

Equal to Warnock? Just not true.

Its also supply and demand. Freo wants Griffin. At least 4 clubs want Warnock.

Griffin played the majority of the start of the season for Adelaide mate, hes a good footballer.

 

[raffrox]

Re: Warnock nominates Carlton

Griffin played the majority of the start of the season for Adelaide mate, hes a good footballer.

End of the season he was dropped because?

Warnock had an interrupted preseason but after that was in our best 22.

 

[Lach72]

Re: Warnock nominates Carlton

End of the season he was dropped because?

Warnock had an interrupted preseason but after that was in our best 22.

Hip injury apparently

 

[Bluebear]

Re: Warnock Simmlar to Wood Trade

No relation as far as I'm aware. Brown's a common surname and it would be unusual to have two Mitch's in the same family.

ROFL.
Was thinking cousin.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Re: Warnock Simmlar to Wood Trade

Families don't include cousins now? I never said "immediate" family.