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Big Gazoongas said:
WOW...really. Now you're telling me what I am or aren't aware of. Must be some mighty crystal ball you have there........because you're the only one with their finger on the pulse right? Or your the only one that listens or reads?

Its great when one places themselves on such a pedestal that all others should be judge on.
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:huh: to the best of my knowledge Feenix hasn't yet voiced an opinion on footy where he's got agreement ......so i agree he's hardly one to be preaching
 
Wayne's-World said:
As this discussion progresses, Lyons is assuming legendary Dangerfield like capabilities ......reality is that Kerridge over Lyons was probably a better scenario last year

Lyons will be easily replaced ......irrespective of how its phrased ...Barlow for Lyons, Barlow for Grigg, it's a win in terms of midfield depth and an additional big body
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I personally felt that the fact we had to have Lyons in the middle last year did more damage than Mackay or Hendo out on a flank in the big games.

The engine room is where we lost key games and Lyons was way out of his depth against the big boys in WCE and Sydney.



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Big Gazoongas said:
WOW...really. Now you're telling me what I am or aren't aware of. Must be some mighty crystal ball you have there........because you're the only one with their finger on the pulse right? Or your the only one that listens or reads?

Its great when one places themselves on such a pedestal that all others should be judge on.
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Ummm you yourself said you didnt know what the club had said - despite it being in the public press and radio, and quite well discussed on here. I didnt need a crystal ball at all, you offered up the information.
 

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Wayne's-World said:
Pot, Kettle, Black :p
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There's a difference between a well formed opinion and one based on erroneous facts.

In that context, the one thing I will say about you Wayne, is that you generally have an opinion that is thought out. The fact that you and I often see things differently doesnt change that fact.

It's your other qualities that make me chuckle ;)
 
Carmo said:
O poor old offended elite crow

I'm sorry, that between 20 of my good analyses, I spend a second to reflect on the qualities of the bigfooty collective and did one little post explictising it. I will just stick to 100% good analyses from now on to keep you happy and of course I will have to accept your 19/20 shitposts rate without complaint.

Are you going to vehemently argue there is no damned if they do, damned if they don't captain hindsight mentality are you? Good, can't wait to see this proof.

People can complain all they want, but they need to pick up their quality control or all I will do is use there stuff as fair game, for example, complain, but do it in the form of predictions, so they can't hide behind captain hindsight changing the goal posts bullshit, also, before you complain, gather some data to confirm your complaints.

I'll give you one that got on my goat this morning, Drugs Are Bad Mackay? was complaining, like many others do, about internal appointments, in another thread I think it was. Did he go thru our coaching staff and admin staff and recent appointments and break them up into internal vs non internal? Dunno if he did or not, but I did a quick tally in my head:

Teague - external
ROK - external
Burton -external
Fagan - external
Walsh - external
Pyke - external
Milburn - external
Younie - external
even Pods - what 2 years and then into the role, hardly would say he's dyed in the wool adelaide. Noble TBA.
Thats a lot of coaching and key staff turnover in about 3 years, but no, we're full on internal jobs for the boys and leave them in those roles forever FFS. What would I know? I am just a ****** that actually collects data on things before posting about them, what a quaint stupid approach to take hey?
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I find his posting style is always right much easier to ignore.
 
Geoffa32 said:
I personally felt that the fact we had to have Lyons in the middle last year did more damage than Mackay or Hendo out on a flank in the big games.

The engine room is where we lost key games and Lyons was way out of his depth against the big boys in WCE and Sydney.



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Just my opinion .....but Lyons seemed most effective as a forward and around the ground, not in the centre square, where we suffered
 
Wayne's-World said:
Just my opinion .....but Lyons seemed most effective as a forward and around the ground, not in the centre square, where we suffered
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3rd for effective inside 50's behind Sloane and Smith, 5th in clearances and contested possessions suggests otherwise.
 
Niximus said:
It seems to me like the most likely scenario was

- We identified the midfield as an area we were deficient in.

- Plan A would have been trade/free agency.

- Our recruiting team would have already been working through the year making contact with wanted players.

- None of those came off this year for whatever reason (couldn't convince them to come, couldn't agree on salary/conditions/contract length, etc).

- OK, on to plan B, back in our youngsters to develop in 2017. This doesn't rule out going for someone else again next year.

- THEN was when we signed Thompson and if the rumours are correct, he's been told he'll be in the SANFL. I'd have let him go completely, but if they want him as a break glass option, or a mostly coaching role, ok.

- Then we get the Gibbs call. In the middle of a 5-year contract, he wasn't on the initial hit list, but we were interested.

- Our valuation on Gibbs and Carlton's asking price were never close, the trade didn't happen. We obviously decided that what what Gibbs brings to the club < what we thing Pick 13 + next year's first will bring.

- I'm not sure whether we are chasing Barlow, or if that's just internet rumour, but if we are, it'd be because we thing that what he'd bring > what our last pick would.
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Nicely done - I think you've summarised it perfectly.

It's not at all far fetched to suggest that our stated intent of hitting the draft and evolving our young players only came about after they established that there was no one fitting the required combination of a) who fit our profile, b) was within our price range, and c) wanted to come here. We absolutely would have invested a large part of this year investigating all possible options, scenarios and avenues prior to reaching this position.

Whether we should have sold the farm to ensure we get one of the midfielders we wanted, is a whole other debate. For right or wrong though, the club weren't willing to do so.

In that context, why is it so hard for people to believe that immediately leading into the draft, prior to Gibbs landing on us, our intent may legitimately have been to go down the development route?
 

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So, we either approached several gun midfielders prior to trade week and couldn't get any of them interested or, we didn't approach any and Gibbs was our sole target during trade week where we seriously misjudged what was possible.

Im not sure which scenario is more damning.
 
feenix67 said:
3rd for effective inside 50's behind Sloane and Smith, 5th in clearances and contested possessions suggests otherwise.
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Nope doesn't suggest anything i said was incorrect .......i stated centre square work!

Inside 50's can come from balls received on a wing, kicked into the forward 50 .....Smith being up there in effective inside 50"s simply demonstrates my point

Clearances if i understand the stats correctly, include around the ground ball-ups .....not just centre square clearances ...........contested possessions has no relevance to the discussion ?

So Lyons 5th in clearances .......just put some context in that statement ? .......Sloane at #1 gets 50 clearances .....#5 Lyons gets 10 clearances as an example ......in these circumstances the ranking number is actually mis-leading
 
OutofTownCrow said:
What if it is Barlow for Lyons? Does that change the impact back the other way?
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Would mean Barlow for Lyons at half forward - where Barlow is average at best.

Thommo midfield so no organic growth and no spot for Milera or Menzel.

Retaining Thommo and recruiting Barlow are probably the two worst things we could possibly do.

Or - more to the point - are the best two things we could do if we didn't feel organic growth was possible.

If Thommo and Barlow are truly on the list for 'depth' and will be SANFL/injury cover only then hot diggity. They just become stupid list management decisions rather than decisions that directly harm our 22. The lesser of two evils but I guess something to wish for.
 
Wood_Duck said:
So, we either approached several gun midfielders prior to trade week and couldn't get any of them interested or, we didn't approach any and Gibbs was our sole target during trade week where we seriously misjudged what was possible.

Im not sure which scenario is more damning.
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Spot on

We've done a lot right (our drafting and development has been excellent) but this was a terrible trade period.
 
Vader said:
He was. You just couldn't (still can't) accept it, because of your blinkered views on VB.
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He was the best performing option in the SANFL ? Are you actually sure about that ?

He was selected for the May 21 game and here are his games in the lead up to getting selected.

BYE

8/5/16
Adelaide
Goal Kickers: C. Ellis-Yolmen 2, H. Greenwood 2, H. Dear 2, L. Lowden, J. Lyons, P. Hunter
Best Players: H. Wigg, H. Greenwood, K. Ramsey, M. Leigh, T. Doedee, H. Dear

NVB 10 possessions

1/5/16
Adelaide
Goal Kickers: W. Milera 3, L. Lowden 2, P. Hunter 2, C. Ellis-Yolmen, D. Gore, M. Grigg, H. Greenwood, R. O''Brien, R. Henderson
Best Players: M. Grigg, C. Ellis-Yolmen, N. Van Berlo, T. Doedee, B. Crouch, T. Heffernan

NVB 21 possessions

24/4/16
Adelaide
Goal Kickers: H. Greenwood 3, J. Beech 3, M. Grigg 2, M. Spencely 2, P. Hunter 2, C. Ellis-Yolmen, H. Wigg, L. Lowden, R. O''Brien, R. Knight
Best Players: J. Beech, A. Keath, H. Greenwood, D. Gore, R. Henderson, A. Otten

NVB 17 possessions

Hardly form that warranted selection, even at the time there was a flimsy "he's experienced and a good bloke" rationale given by the club to help justify his selection. I still maintain as I did at the time that he was gifted games against easy opponents in the hope that they could play him into some form to justify keeping him in the side.
 
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Wood_Duck said:
So, we either approached several gun midfielders prior to trade week and couldn't get any of them interested or, we didn't approach any and Gibbs was our sole target during trade week where we seriously misjudged what was possible.

Im not sure which scenario is more damning.
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None are damning ........
1) Gibbs looks for a trade ....we announce it, not knowing the toughness of the stance that Carlton are going take. We offer over the odds for a 28 yo believing Carlton will accept the personal reasons for Gibbs trade request ....Carlton dugg their heels in, nothing Damning at all to the Crows

2) You do know that during trade week, and after when Fagan sent out the email ......Barlow was still a listed Fremantle player ?

Think you need to correct your thinking on the matters
 

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fabs33 said:
Not quite the attitude I would expect from a moderator. Aren't you guys supposed to read all threads no matter how painful they may be?:p
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Nope, that's what the Report button is for. If we actually had to read all the crap that gets written on these forums, how many moderators do you think would want the job?
 
Wayne's-World said:
2) You do know that during trade week, and after when Fagan sent out the email ......Barlow was still a listed Fremantle player ?
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You reckon Freo kept it a secret during trade week? Didn't try and trade him for even a draft pick, just decided delisting him was the best option?
 
Wood_Duck said:
You reckon Freo kept it a secret during trade week? Didn't try and trade him for even a draft pick, just decided delisting him was the best option?
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That makes no difference .....Adelaide couldn't plan around something that hadn't happened & may not have happened (Barlow's delisting)
 

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