Prediction Michael Barlow

[WaynesWorld19]

You wanted it fairly badly from memory.

The Mods normally find the glamor of being a Mod, and the harsh reality of the job, are poles apart

deaneus yep you campaigned for it ......you should read every post, even if your eyelids are prized open

 

[Big Gazoongas]

Ummm you yourself said you didnt know what the club had said - despite it being in the public press and radio, and quite well discussed on here. I didnt need a crystal ball at all, you offered up the information.

Mate seriously stop this garbage. Your'e now claiming the bolded bit.

This is what I said:
I can't remember the club specifically stating we would target midfielders in the Trade period. Did they make the same specific statements for pick 13 in the draft, not sure could be wrong. They did say after the trade period they would take that pick to the draft like they had intended.
And lets say they did. Its like saying I want to buy a new car, and, not sure that is divulging anything significant.

So from this, am I to assume you are incapable of reading a whole sentence and understanding it, rather you prefer to pick out 2 words and claim that as an all encompassing statement I have made.

And now provide a link to the List managers comments after the Sydney loss and show me where Roo has specifically mentioned we would target midfielders during the trade and draft?

 

[Geoffa32]

Nope doesn't suggest anything i said was incorrect .......i stated centre square work!

Inside 50's can come from balls received on a wing, kicked into the forward 50 .....Smith being up there in effective inside 50"s simply demonstrates my point

Clearances if i understand the stats correctly, include around the ground ball-ups .....not just centre square clearances ...........contested possessions has no relevance to the discussion ?

So Lyons 5th in clearances .......just put some context in that statement ? .......Sloane at #1 gets 50 clearances .....#5 Lyons gets 10 clearances as an example ......in these circumstances the ranking number is actually mis-leading

Raw stats are nice but meaningless without the actual "eye test".

Watching him in the middle against WCE and Sydney he got steam rolled. Is not strong enough and is in his prime years.

I expect the Crouch boys to be much stronger at 24+. But last year behind Sloane and Thommo our next mature mid was Lyons.

Hence against the big boys we got beat in there.


As you say his best role is up forward, (but we have Betts) an attacking flanker. We have Lynch, McGovern, Smith,Seed, Laird and even Douglas playing those roles. And we have not seen Hampton or Menzel yet. Both could be good at that role.

Hence Lyons was superfluous.

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[Big Gazoongas]

Nicely done - I think you've summarised it perfectly.

It's not at all far fetched to suggest that our stated intent of hitting the draft and evolving our young players only came about after they established that there was no one fitting the required combination of a) who fit our profile, b) was within our price range, and c) wanted to come here. We absolutely would have invested a large part of this year investigating all possible options, scenarios and avenues prior to reaching this position.

Whether we should have sold the farm to ensure we get one of the midfielders we wanted, is a whole other debate. For right or wrong though, the club weren't willing to do so.

In that context, why is it so hard for people to believe that immediately leading into the draft, prior to Gibbs landing on us, our intent may legitimately have been to go down the development route?

I could only imagine its because we talked about organic growth and now there are rumours that we are getting Barlow so all that must be a lie. Add Thommo being on the list as another.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

In that context, why is it so hard for people to believe that immediately leading into the draft, prior to Gibbs landing on us, our intent may legitimately have been to go down the development route?

Because we've retained Thompson and are supposedly interested in Barlow.

Both moves seem at odds with the development route.

 

[Deaneus!]

Thompson will be playing mainly in the SANFL. I doubt he'll play more than 6 AFL games next year.

I belee dat whens i sees dat

What does it pay?

Six figures in internet money

You wanted it fairly badly from memory.

That's almost true, but not.

deaneus yep you campaigned for it ......you should read every post, even if your eyelids are prized open

I've never read your stuff before and I'm not starting now

 

[KrissCross]

So, we either approached several gun midfielders prior to trade week and couldn't get any of them interested or, we didn't approach any and Gibbs was our sole target during trade week where we seriously misjudged what was possible.

Im not sure which scenario is more damning.

Oh ye of little faith...stick fat my brother. Who's to say we were unsuccessful? Have you checked the Free agents list for next year? Maybe we were working one of those and then this Gibbs thing popped up out of the blue

While we talking Gibbs...did Rucci question the Cats for not getting the deal done for Ablett? Effectively the same situation except the Blues fell just short of point blank refusing like Gold Coast did. Are players now questioning if they want to nominate Geelong as they can't get deal done.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Raw stats are nice but meaningless without the actual "eye test".

Watching him in the middle against WCE and Sydney he got steam rolled. Is not strong enough and is in his prime years.

I expect the Crouch boys to be much stronger at 24+. But last year behind Sloane and Thommo our next mature mid was Lyons.

Hence against the big boys we got beat in there.


As you say his best role is up forward, (but we have Betts) an attacking flanker. We have Lynch, McGovern, Smith,Seed, Laird and even Douglas playing those roles. And we have not seen Hampton or Menzel yet. Both could be good at that role.

Hence Lyons was superfluous.

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Prefer Lyons up forward or Milera?

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I've never read your stuff before and I'm not starting now

Yes you have .....i have all these "likes" from you on my posts ......i almost feel like we're kindred spirits

 

[Geoffa32]

Prefer Lyons up forward or Milera?

Milera.



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[relapse]

I just wish I had the faith that others seem to have that Thompson will be playing mainly in the SANFL next year.

I think we'll start off with the right intentions, but at some point early in the season we'll shit the bed and go back to the tried and true and rush Thompson into the side.

 

[ad victoriam]

Because we've retained Thompson and are supposedly interested in Barlow.

Both moves seem at odds with the development route.

Keeping Thommo for 1 more year would be inline with Development, Not having experience older heads and bodies at the club would be detrimental to the clubs development of younger players.
Getting Barlow falls into,when opportunity present you take them.
You want the older bigger midfielders in the squad to ensure the younger players earn the right to play AFL, against hardened experienced players. Remove all the experience and what left.
Is Matt Crouch improvement down to training against soft young mids or did he improve going up against the harder experienced mids. You will find most successful AFL clubs they have one thing in common they have hard experience mids for the young stars to train against. And yes sometimes these harder experience players are not always A graders, But they are part of developing young AFL players.

 

[ad victoriam]

Prefer Lyons up forward or Milera?

Should add Menzel and Knight to that.

 

[Paladin]

I just wish I had the faith that others seem to have that Thompson will be playing mainly in the SANFL next year.

I think we'll start off with the right intentions, but at some point early in the season we'll shit the bed and go bad to the tried and true and rush Thompson into the side.

I have the same concerns but Pyke is a smart guy. He has seen the issues we all have in Thommos game. I think the heads up about SANFL game time will make it much easier to leave him out.

 

[headache1]

Oh ye of little faith...stick fat my brother. Who's to say we were unsuccessful? Have you checked the Free agents list for next year? Maybe we were working one of those and then this Gibbs thing popped up out of the blue

While we talking Gibbs...did Rucci question the Cats for not getting the deal done for Ablett? Effectively the same situation except the Blues fell just short of point blank refusing like Gold Coast did. Are players now questioning if they want to nominate Geelong as they can't get deal done.

If we are working on a FA for next year and are confident, it would have only made more sense to pay up for Gibbs.

 

[Vader]

Would mean Barlow for Lyons at half forward - where Barlow is average at best.

Thommo midfield so no organic growth and no spot for Milera or Menzel.

Retaining Thommo and recruiting Barlow are probably the two worst things we could possibly do.

Or - more to the point - are the best two things we could do if we didn't feel organic growth was possible.

If Thommo and Barlow are truly on the list for 'depth' and will be SANFL/injury cover only then hot diggity. They just become stupid list management decisions rather than decisions that directly harm our 22. The lesser of two evils but I guess something to wish for.

Making the massive assumption that Thommo's role won't change... which flies in the face of everything the club has said in the post-season.

We have organic growth within the team list, just not in the inside midfielder role. Lyons is gone, Thommo is as good as gone, Grigg is delisted, CEY is not good enough. This was a position where we had quantity, but lacked quality - we no longer have either. Hence the need for Barlow, until we can draft & develop another youngster to fill the gap that has been created.

 

[Vader]

He was the best performing option in the SANFL ? Are you actually sure about that ?

He was selected for the May 21 game and here are his games in the lead up to getting selected.

BYE

8/5/16
Adelaide
Goal Kickers: C. Ellis-Yolmen 2, H. Greenwood 2, H. Dear 2, L. Lowden, J. Lyons, P. Hunter
Best Players: H. Wigg, H. Greenwood, K. Ramsey, M. Leigh, T. Doedee, H. Dear

NVB 10 possessions

He only played about 1/3 of this game, being held back in case he was required for AFL duty the following weekend (on a 5 day turnaround). He was one of Adelaide's best during the limited time that he was on the ground.

He was amongst the best players the week before that as well.

 

[Niximus]

If we are working on a FA for next year and are confident, it would have only made more sense to pay up for Gibbs.

Not if they are RFA and we anticipate a match.

 

[baldandbroke]

Would mean Barlow for Lyons at half forward - where Barlow is average at best.

Thommo midfield so no organic growth and no spot for Milera or Menzel.

Retaining Thommo and recruiting Barlow are probably the two worst things we could possibly do.

Or - more to the point - are the best two things we could do if we didn't feel organic growth was possible.

If Thommo and Barlow are truly on the list for 'depth' and will be SANFL/injury cover only then hot diggity. They just become stupid list management decisions rather than decisions that directly harm our 22. The lesser of two evils but I guess something to wish for.

Not sure I follow ... are you saying that by retaining Thommo and then recruiting Barlow ... Milera and Menzel don't play?

AND the only way you can see Thommo / (possible) Barlow decisions working out is if they play all year in the SANFL?

 

[DD#23]

Milera.



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and by a street!

what a bizarre question.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Making the massive assumption that Thommo's role won't change... which flies in the face of everything the club has said in the post-season.

We have organic growth within the team list, just not in the inside midfielder role. Lyons is gone, Thommo is as good as gone, Grigg is delisted, CEY is not good enough. This was a position where we had quantity, but lacked quality - we no longer have either. Hence the need for Barlow, until we can draft & develop another youngster to fill the gap that has been created.

There could be no bigger criticism of the club than what you've outlined here

This describes top to bottom incompetence.

 

[Elite Crow]

O poor old offended elite crow

I'm sorry, that between 20 of my good analyses, I spend a second to reflect on the qualities of the bigfooty collective and did one little post explictising it. I will just stick to 100% good analyses from now on to keep you happy and of course I will have to accept your 19/20 shitposts rate without complaint.

Are you going to vehemently argue there is no damned if they do, damned if they don't captain hindsight mentality are you? Good, can't wait to see this proof.

People can complain all they want, but they need to pick up their quality control or all I will do is use there stuff as fair game, for example, complain, but do it in the form of predictions, so they can't hide behind captain hindsight changing the goal posts bullshit, also, before you complain, gather some data to confirm your complaints.

I'll give you one that got on my goat this morning, Drugs Are Bad Mackay? was complaining, like many others do, about internal appointments, in another thread I think it was. Did he go thru our coaching staff and admin staff and recent appointments and break them up into internal vs non internal? Dunno if he did or not, but I did a quick tally in my head:

Teague - external
ROK - external
Burton -external
Fagan - external
Walsh - external
Pyke - external
Milburn - external
Younie - external
even Pods - what 2 years and then into the role, hardly would say he's dyed in the wool adelaide. Noble TBA.
Thats a lot of coaching and key staff turnover in about 3 years, but no, we're full on internal jobs for the boys and leave them in those roles forever FFS. What would I know? I am just a ****** that actually collects data on things before posting about them, what a quaint stupid approach to take hey?

So on top of complaining about others posting style you've provided a positive assessment of your own posting, um okay then.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Not sure I follow ... are you saying that by retaining Thommo and then recruiting Barlow ... Milera and Menzel don't play?

AND the only way you can see Thommo / (possible) Barlow decisions working out is if they play all year in the SANFL?

Yep - Thompson + Barlow means no spot for Milera and Menzel. Unless they turf Atkins, Cameron or McGovern which sort of defeats the purpose.

*If* Thompson and Barlow play SANFL (they won't but anyway) then that's better but still a terrible result as our SANFL midfield is full of older players we aren't planning on using.

 

[DD#23]

There could be no bigger criticism of the club than what you've outlined here

This describes top to bottom incompetence.

we've gutted our own midfield, practically voluntarily.

and all of Vader's arguments are based on "the club knows better than mugs like us on the internet."

One of the great commandments of science is, "Mistrust arguments from authority." ... Too many such arguments have proved too painfully wrong. Authorities must prove their contentions like everybody else.

 

[Scorpus]

The fact we played Van Berlo in round one of 2016 tells me we're in for a similar situation in 2017 with Thompson