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fabs33 said:
I'm fairly sure the reason he was moved to a HFF in the first place was because he wasn't playing all that well in his original role.
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Like Elite Crow said I can't remember Douglas playing too much midfield this year. It's clear his role is different to that of previous years and it's negatively affecting his performances.
 
Vader said:
No further rookie upgrades this year. The deadline for that was 2pm (EDST) today.

Beech will be retained on the rookie list in 2017.
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Question then ....if a player was elevated to the main list last season, are you saying he has to automatically go back to the rookie list ......why doesn't he simply stay on the main list?
 
Vader said:
All upgraded rookies are returned to the rookie list at the end of the year. Beech will need to be upgraded again, if he is to play a senior game in 2017.
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forget my other post then ......sorry, you just answered my question ;)
 
Peter J said:
If we've decided we need that big mid type then clearly CEY is the option. Can both CEY and MB play? Doubtful.

Then the other option who is exciting but still to develop is Greenwood. Ideally CEY is playing the role and Greenwood gets a chance to be the main man for the 2's.

Problem with having MB is the knock on effect. If he plays then CEY is stuck in the 2's and Greenwood is stuck behind him. So 2 players are not moving on in their development.
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The simple thing is that CEY is not good enough --- full stop ,never was and never will be and along with Shaw and Otten etc will be delisted end of next season.
Hopefully Greenwood would have done enough to be elevated along with Keath as have high hopes for both.
 

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dylan123 said:
Oh I don't disagree that we had a great run injury wise in 2016 that we're unlikely to see again in 2017 but DABM's post basically says we go backwards with Barlow in with everything else remaining the same and yet we're a better side with one of those younger players in team instead like Milera, Knight, Hampton etc which I find it hard to believe, at least for 2017.
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If everything else remained the same, how have the opposition fared?
 
Infra Ted said:
Like Elite Crow said I can't remember Douglas playing too much midfield this year. It's clear his role is different to that of previous years and it's negatively affecting his performances.
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Douglas has always been an attacking midfielder so you'd often see him up forward, but he didn't start in the role he finished, as the year progressed he began to play more forward than midfield. This was a result of two factors; first his own form dropping and secondly the emergence of Matt Crouch as one of our premier midfielders and the return of his brother Brad. Have a look at Douglas' output in rounds 7 and 8 when Brad returned, it was significantly down and it was a sign our coaches were still trying to settle on a midfield group. They even kept Matt out for an extra week after supposedly resting him against GC, but then he came in against St Kilda as a late inclusion for Thompson and cemented his spot. Simply put there wasn't enough space in our midfield and Douglas was the one that got pushed out. Thompson's form was declining as well but he only plays the one role so Douglas was the one who made way by going to a role he played earlier in his career.
 
Sanders said:
If everything else remained the same, how have the opposition fared?
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I think there's a solid amount of teams in the top 8 that have either stayed the same or gone backwards myself, at least with the short term view of 2017 in mind (with the above instance).

The top 8 from the H&A ladder:

Sydney - Loss of Mitchell and Nankervis without any players coming in - Worse off.
Geelong - Tuohy and Black in, (Black and Vardy basically cancel each other out. Caddy and Kersten out (along with Vardy and Smedt who don't really make any difference). You've then got Enright and Bartel that retired - Worse off.
Hawthorn - Vickery, O'Meara, T.Mitchell in, Lewis and S.Mitchell out. I don't see T.Mitchell and O'Meara being able to do what Mitchell and Lewis did for them this year in 2017. Vickery possibly helps straighten up their forward line a bit without Roughead - Worse off/same at best imo.
GWS - Deledio in is a very nice get for the best 22 if he can stay fit. Same time, they've lost a lot of depth in Steele, WHE, Stewart, Marchbank and Palmer who all played at least a game in 2016 along with a few other guys - Better off, at least their best 22.
Adelaide - Lyons out - Slight drop off.
WCE - Mitchell and Vardy in - Better off.
Dogs - Cloke in with Hamling, Hrovat and Stevens out. About the same, lost some depth I suppose given none of those three were really best 22. Who knows what they might be able to do with Cloke, I suppose they also have Crameri to return.
North - Williams, Hrovat, Ahern in, Wells, Harvey, Firrito, Black out - Worse off.


I haven't included draft picks in the above mainly due to the fact it's unlikely many will really have a big factor in a top 8 team. I suppose there's a chance, especially for some that do have a highish pick such as GWS who hold #2. Also a pain to go through them all given teams did a lot of draft pick swaps but I was mainly focusing on 2017.

Now there are some teams outside of the 8 which made some pretty strong moves (imo) in St.Kilda, Melbourne, Richmond, Collingwood (not a huge fan but the moves should really see them pushing for finals in 2017) and Fremantle along with Essendon who will get a number of best 22 players back into their teams.
 
dylan123 said:
I think there's a solid amount of teams in the top 8 that have either stayed the same or gone backwards myself, at least with the short term view of 2017 in mind (with the above instance).

The top 8 from the H&A ladder:

Sydney - Loss of Mitchell and Nankervis without any players coming in - Worse off.
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Surely Sydney already has some gun recruit straight out of their academy lined up for 2017.
 
dylan123 said:
I think there's a solid amount of teams in the top 8 that have either stayed the same or gone backwards myself, at least with the short term view of 2017 in mind (with the above instance).

The top 8 from the H&A ladder:

Sydney - Loss of Mitchell and Nankervis without any players coming in - Worse off.
Geelong - Tuohy and Black in, (Black and Vardy basically cancel each other out. Caddy and Kersten out (along with Vardy and Smedt who don't really make any difference). You've then got Enright and Bartel that retired - Worse off.
Hawthorn - Vickery, O'Meara, T.Mitchell in, Lewis and S.Mitchell out. I don't see T.Mitchell and O'Meara being able to do what Mitchell and Lewis did for them this year in 2017. Vickery possibly helps straighten up their forward line a bit without Roughead - Worse off/same at best imo.
GWS - Deledio in is a very nice get for the best 22 if he can stay fit. Same time, they've lost a lot of depth in Steele, WHE, Stewart, Marchbank and Palmer who all played at least a game in 2016 along with a few other guys - Better off, at least their best 22.
Adelaide - Lyons out - Slight drop off.
WCE - Mitchell and Vardy in - Better off.
Dogs - Cloke in with Hamling, Hrovat and Stevens out. About the same, lost some depth I suppose given none of those three were really best 22. Who knows what they might be able to do with Cloke, I suppose they also have Crameri to return.
North - Williams, Hrovat, Ahern in, Wells, Harvey, Firrito, Black out - Worse off.


I haven't included draft picks in the above mainly due to the fact it's unlikely many will really have a big factor in a top 8 team. I suppose there's a chance, especially for some that do have a highish pick such as GWS who hold #2. Also a pain to go through them all given teams did a lot of draft pick swaps but I was mainly focusing on 2017.

Now there are some teams outside of the 8 which made some pretty strong moves (imo) in St.Kilda, Melbourne, Richmond, Collingwood (not a huge fan but the moves should really see them pushing for finals in 2017) and Fremantle along with Essendon who will get a number of best 22 players back into their teams.
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I agree ....most clubs simply balanced up what left with what was coming in via the trade

Even Richmond ......lose Vickery and Delidio & gain Prestia and Caddy ......is that a gain or treading water, when you consider they lost pick 6 .....who also probably would have played games this year?
 

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fabs33 said:
Surely Sydney already has some gun recruit straight out of their academy lined up for 2017.
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yes but that's classified over a term that i can't understand why its become mudied & vilified :rolleyes: ........called organic development

Fact is that's nearly how almost all sides are built
 
Wayne's-World said:
yes but that's classified over a term that i can't understand why its become mudied & vilified :rolleyes: ........called organic development

Fact is that's nearly how almost all sides are built
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Most premiership winning sides these days are built on the back of sanctioned cheating. One example is Western Bulldogs or Geelong's father son picks, or Hawthorn's priority picks, or Sydney's salary cap concessions
 
Scorpus said:
Most premiership winning sides these days are built on the back of draft cheating. One example is Western Bulldogs or Geelong's father son picks, or Hawthorn's priority picks, or Sydney's salary cap concessions
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I can appreciate that POV .......think those inequalities have been largely eradicated and replaced with the much worse state academy's ......if you have one academy, all teams have to have academy's ....simple as that !!

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Peter J said:
Either we are getting Barlow or - "we just couldn't believe xxxxx slipped to pick 89. He was ranked no2 on our talent list"
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Maybe we've gone with one less player on our list to help us pay for the big fish we landed
 

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You guys may have missed out on paying full price for a Ferrari (Gibbs) but you're going to get a 2nd hand HSV for free.
Barlow is a gun with at least 2 years of AFL footy in him. Any club that picks him up will get solid output from him.
Most Freo supporters are very sad to see him go.
 
Peter J said:
Either we are getting Barlow or - "we just couldn't believe xxxxx slipped to pick 89. He was ranked no2 on our talent list"
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I keep seeing variations on this said sarcastically, but surely the club has walked the talk on that one over the last few years, haven't they?
 
Drugs Are Bad Mackay? said:
Maybe we've gone with one less player on our list to help us pay for the big fish we landed
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I still reckon if nothing is on offer for that last spot, instead of leave it vacant we list Kym Koster and play him for one game in case Josh keeps tracking well.
 
Bicco said:
You guys may have missed out on paying full price for a Ferrari (Gibbs) but you're going to get a 2nd hand HSV for free.
Barlow is a gun with at least 2 years of AFL footy in him. Any club that picks him up will get solid output from him.
Most Freo supporters are very sad to see him go.
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That's if we get him :P

Was surprised to see him actually cut. Good to see Freo supporters giving him the respect he deserves
 
cmndstab said:
I'm not convinced it's as simple as "he's slow and a poor kick, therefore he's useless".

We need a player who can win the ball in the centre of the ground. In the past we've relied extremely heavily on Thompson and Dangerfield. Now Danger is gone and Thompson probably should be as well. Who's going to do it in 2017? I guess we'll ask CEY to come in and do it? Or hope that Douglas gets back into form? We can't leave it all to Sloane, and besides, he's better in a role that allows him to go a bit more outside anyway.

It's all well and good to say we need to play guys like Menzel, Milera, Knight etc, and I agree, we do. But those guys aren't going to be winning the ball in tight. They're the guys who receive it from players like Barlow.

I think he would be quite valuable. I do agree that if we do recruit him, it won't be as depth.


Obviously if we could have brought in a player who could win the inside ball and use it as well, that would have been great. But we didn't. So we have to make do with what's still available.
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Well summed up ! At first, I was against it but the more I thought about it getting him is making a lot of sense.
 

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