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Prediction Michael Barlow

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Danger in Texas said:
Honestly don't see how getting Barlow into the 22 is that bad?

Gives us two years of good service extracting the ball from the centre square (at 70% DE), whilst giving much better defensive pressure than Thommo. Will be beneficial without a doubt. Meanwhile, we can wait for our pick 13 midfielder to develop, and he can replace Barlow full time in late 2018/2019.
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if we kept Lyons and delisted Thommo Barlow might be handy in that capacity.
 
Drugs Are Bad Mackay? said:
That is true. Might be fretting about nothing here. Let's hope.
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I watched the Freo v Crows game again yesterday (sick in bed) ......Barlow played well, certainly knows where to run

IMO Barlow provides more positional options than Lyons and is an upgrade ....except he's a crap forward

Must say it was disconcerting though to see Thommo run past Barlow a couple of times ......maybe Barlow wasn't trying :eek:
 

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I think Barlow is a good get and we need to secure him.

The problem is signing Thommo to a ludicrous coaching/playing hybrid SANFL list clogging spot. Why not simply let him be the SANFL captain Callinan style if he needs to run around. Im afraid his ego and nobody at West lakes wanting to make a tough call has taken up a valuable spot and/or salary cap that could be used much more wisely.
 
fabs33 said:
Why do you think it's that clear cut? Or in other words: what is it about our coaching group that fills you with such confidence that they'll make the right decision. Just last year they made the call that one of our players wasn't 'good enough', and believe it or not, he played two thirds of that season! That isn't all that inspiring.
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I know in advance I am going to disagree with some of the Coaches decisions, I also know in advance that the club will make some decisions I don't agree with,
It does not make me or them Right. but it up to CEY if he wants to play AFL he has the talent, he needs to put in. And I am only going on what I have seen with my own eyes. if he improves on a few issues he leave them no choice but to play him. in 2016 year he did not do that. However 6 others did and they played AFL consistently at the end and would be in most eye best 22. That is what gives me confidence that its clear cut.
 
MRB37 said:
IF he's a Thommo replacement then fine. But if he's played in addition to Thommo then that's where the issues start. They ain't sitting Thommo out for 22 game no matter how well other players play, so who comes out? History tells us that the younger players are the first ones to get booted out for senior recalls.
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IMO Thommo gets 5-10 games next year. Barlow, barring injury, will play 22. Will be a much more impactful player than Thommo this year. I get the vibe that he is certainly depth next year - a 2015 Pods-like vibe
 
Danger in Texas said:
IMO Thommo gets 5-10 games next year. Barlow, barring injury, will play 22. Will be a much more impactful player than Thommo this year. I get the vibe that he is certainly depth next year - a 2015 Pods-like vibe
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I had faith that Pods would have done the job if required in 2015 - he wasn't far off his best and was in great nick.

I have little faith Thommo can get anywhere near his best or any opposition midfield in 2017. Plus our list is a lot deeper, pointless backup imo.
 
If we get, lets all wish him the gest. I am sure he will be more than useful and is not cost us our future picks. I would have loved Gibbs but not at Carltons price.
 
Channel 9 saying we might need to offer 3 years given he's in demand.

A 3 year contract, those who want him, are you happy with 3?

Also he won't be coming cheap if theirs competition for him.

What is that Kenny Rogers song? Desp.....
 
Elite Crow said:
Channel 9 saying we might need to offer 3 years given he's in demand.

A 3 year contract, those who want him, are you happy with 3?

Also he won't be coming cheap if theirs competition for him.

What is that Kenny Rogers song? Desp.....
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2 years yes, 3 years no.

Honestly don't give a shit about how much money we spend. Doubt it will be heaps though
 
Eagleboy2011 said:
If we get, lets all wish him the gest. I am sure he will be more than useful and is not cost us our future picks. I would have loved Gibbs but not at Carltons price.
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Get Gibbs .....lose two first round picks

Get Barlow ....retain two first round picks

Barlow replaces Grigg on the list ......is that an improvement or not?

#13 replaces Lyons on the list .......a potential star replaces "foot soldier" Lyons
 
Elite Crow said:
Channel 9 saying we might need to offer 3 years given he's in demand.

A 3 year contract, those who want him, are you happy with 3?

Also he won't be coming cheap if theirs competition for him.

What is that Kenny Rogers song? Desp.....
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It was The Eagles but carry on.
 

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Paladin said:
I had faith that Pods would have done the job if required in 2015 - he wasn't far off his best and was in great nick.

I have little faith Thommo can get anywhere near his best or any opposition midfield in 2017. Plus our list is a lot deeper, pointless backup imo.
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Whether they were physically capable or not, the difference was Pods made it a point to the coaches that they shouldn't play him and to give guys like Kelly a gig ahead of him. Do you think Thommo is going to do the same thing?
 
George 13 said:
One less young player getting game time at AFL level every time Barlow get's a game, but I will hold fire because it could be BS.
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Thommo stopping a young SANFL player from developing is more a cause for concern. Barlow is a hard runner and can still play at a high level.
 
Elite Crow said:
Channel 9 saying we might need to offer 3 years given he's in demand.

A 3 year contract, those who want him, are you happy with 3?

Also he won't be coming cheap if theirs competition for him.

What is that Kenny Rogers song? Desp.....
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Makes sense, if you've got interest elsewhere you probably wouldn't really want to come to SA unless you're going to get a few years as you'll probably get that elsewhere.

Prefer two years myself although if the third was based on him playing x amount of games then I suppose I could live with it.
 
MRB37 said:
See, the annoying thing is we tell guys "you gotta earn it", but then do something like bring in VB as soon as we can even though his form doesn't warrant it. Or carry Thommo or Douglas all year when their form doesn't warrant it. What motivation does a guy have to earn a spot when he's basically told "a senior player will always be given an opportunity ahead of you". Did VB do anything all year to earn a game ahead of Wigg? No, but he got games and opportunity anyway because of seniority.

Playing Barlow instead of Thompson basically keeps the status quo in check. It doesn't make us any better, if that's the only change we make and expect different results then I think we're crazy.
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I wholeheartedly agree with paragraph 1. Paragraph 2 is way off to my mind though. Barlow is a super hard runner in both directions, he's a massive upgrade on what Thommo brought to our side for the last half of the year.
 

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Wayne's-World said:
Get Gibbs .....lose two first round picks

Get Barlow ....retain two first round picks

Barlow replaces Grigg on the list ......is that an improvement or not?

#13 replaces Lyons on the list .......a potential star replaces "foot soldier" Lyons
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Pick 43 (likely Jarman) replaces Lyons on the list. Pick 13 we already had.
Could argue that Jarman doesn't even replace him, as we probably would have bid 53 on him.
 
Drugs Are Bad Mackay? said:
He's not being recruited for depth. If that's the case he'll go somewhere else. If we get him it's to play him.

Thommo is not depth. We kept him on because we haven't had him out of the centre square for 11 years and are scared to try.
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I'm strangely confident that both Mackay and Thommo have been relegated to depth. Barlow pushes Thommo even further back in the queue. He might even retire if we sign Barlow, finally realising they were serious when they told him he wouldn't be considered best 22 next season.
 
hendo8888 said:
Pick 43 (likely Jarman) replaces Lyons on the list. Pick 13 we already had.
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you're ruining my story ;) .......stories don't all need to have logical conclusions, just happy endings :hearts:
 
hendo8888 said:
Pick 43 (likely Jarman) replaces Lyons on the list. Pick 13 we already had.
Could argue that Jarman doesn't even replace him, as we probably would have bid 53 on him.
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Okay, so does that mean pick 13 replaces Lowden/Grigg?

If we replace Hendo, Grigg, Lowden, Jaensch, VB and Lyons with Barlow, ROB, 13 (potential elite mid), 43, 53 (Jarman) and 67, we've improved our list.
 
Danger in Texas said:
Okay, so does that mean pick 13 replaces Lowden/Grigg?

If we replace Hendo, Grigg, Lowden, Jaensch, VB and Lyons with Barlow, ROB, 13 (potential elite mid), 43, 53 (Jarman) and 67, we've improved our list.
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I'd probably argue it replaces VB or Jaensch (or maybe Hendo).
 

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