Prediction Michael Barlow

[ad victoriam]

this isn't happening.

lets ask ourselves what would have happened to Thommo and Mackay this year had they been second or third year players...

answer: they would have been kicked to the curb.

They are not, so what the point. And It has nothing to do with the discussion. If a player is good enough they make the team they put the name up for selection and leave no doubts. Then they take hold of the opportunity. A few players did in 2016,

 

[Thetrader15]

Oh god imagine if the AFL was in charge of the Christmas schedule. It'd take months.

About 12

 

[DD#23]

They are not, so what the point. And It has nothing to do with the discussion. If a player is good enough they make the team they put the name up for selection and leave no doubts. Then they take hold of the opportunity. A few players did in 2016,

the point is they got a free pass under the "experience" clause.

 

[Vader]

you've massaged the stats well in your favour there, go and have a look at their votes per game.

Setting the bar at 3 votes - which means that the majority of coaches gave them a pass mark..

Mackay - R1-6, 12, 14-16, 19-22, EF, SF = 16 of 19 games
Thompson - R1-6, 9-10, 12-17, 19, 21-22, EF, SF = 19 of 22 games

Doesn't make much difference. No massaging of the stats at all.

 

[fabs33]

And he was not alone, but that was 2015 and CEY needs to improve and work hard to play in 2017, he has a chance, it up to him to take it, But us blaming the campo for his woes is wrong.

2017 is his to play for he already started and could be better for it. He either good enough to make it or he not.

I know in advance I am going to disagree with some of the Coaches decisions, I also know in advance that the club will make some decisions I don't agree with,
It does not make me or them Right. but it up to CEY if he wants to play AFL he has the talent, he needs to put in. And I am only going on what I have seen with my own eyes. if he improves on a few issues he leave them no choice but to play him. in 2016 year he did not do that. However 6 others did and they played AFL consistently at the end and would be in most eye best 22. That is what gives me confidence that its clear cut.

What small details, He either good enough or he not, it his to lose, Last year 6 player took the chance a stayed in the team,

Well guess what, Lyons got a chance this year and he took it, He was good enough and did play. he was one of 6 plus players that did.

If CEY is good enough he will play simple, To be good enough means he has to better than the player picked in front of him.

You're either a parrot, a broken record or stuck on 'repeat'. Continually saying the same thing only serves to display how thin your argument is because you don't have anything to add to it.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

pretty sure Cameron re-signed with GWS, we had our crack, now it is time to move on

Apparently we had reached our Cameron limit...

 

[Vader]

Apparently we had reached our Cameron limit...

No Camerons?

That doesn't really work, does it. Not with CEY and Charlie. Doh!

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

I posed before the delistings that adding Barlow is better for our midfield squad than keeping Grigg & Hendo.

Taking this further, we have an inexperienced team, including in the midfield, with a lack of experienced players 27+.

I'm all for playing knight, milera, CEY, wigg, Cameron seedsman, Hampton, menzel, etc.. but we still need some experience around to support Sloane... even with improvement from the crouches.

Most agree thommo is on his last legs & likely to be a reliever in 2017 playing around 5 games.

Most of us agree mackay is unlikely to play many games so long as our outside options stay fit.

Imo, Douglas is the only experienced player I expect to play most games, but if his form doesn't pick up, he may end up in the sanfl.

This is why Barlow is a smart choice for the next few years, to give us some experience around our young midfield. I don't see him playing every game with a seniors overload at the expense of younger guys, but he will be handy if we need an experienced option, particularly against bigger bodied opposition.

 

[Ozzie]

Baulderstone, Osborne, Fort, (Forgot the eagles ruckman) all good ruckmen around the stoppages, feeding good runners, Our ruck were good but they did not win all the ruck stoppages.
And yes I talking about Wigg, who's stoppage work was good, and more so what he did after winning the ball. Also He must have done something good as he polled well in the Club Best players.

Fair enough,I know you have watched a lot more of his games than me. I guess we will see this coming season. If he doesn't get games after his 1 yr contract, I dare say he will be gone.

What I would like to see is the Crows SANFL games on TV every week. That would be a real bonus.

 

[DD#23]

Setting the bar at 3 votes - which means that the majority of coaches gave them a pass mark..

Mackay - R1-6, 12, 14-16, 19-22, EF, SF = 16 of 19 games
Thompson - R1-6, 9-10, 12-17, 19, 21-22, EF, SF = 19 of 22 games

Doesn't make much difference. No massaging of the stats at all.

setting the bar low like our selectors I see, 3 may be a "pass mark" on their marking rubric but that is the bare embarrassing minimum. VB managed an average of 2.6 votes in his appearances and he was putrid. The top half of players to play in the firsts averaged at least 7 votes per game and you think getting at least 3 is setting a reasonable standard?

21 players averaged more votes per game than Mr. Mackay. 21. But he was virtually untouchable in the 22.

I bet Wigg could have bagged three votes hovering around the packs for 20 touches, and he would have kicked it a damn sight better too.

 

[ad victoriam]

You're either a parrot, a broken record or stuck on 'repeat'. Continually saying the same thing only serves to display how thin your argument is because you don't have anything to add to it.

No I have learn't with this site keep it simple.
You constantly look for answers that are not there, You like a few others are quick to Blame everyone else at the club but the player, Some even harp on how good he was in 2015 which to be Honest he was not that good, And even his stat highlight his weakness,
If I am parrot so be it but sometime it takes a repeated answer to get a message across, He was not good enough to get a spot in the team early 2016. He may not even be good enough to earn a place best 22 in 2017. That up to him.

 

[ad victoriam]

the point is they got a free pass under the "experience" clause.

so we all think and say, but just maybe there another reason. After all the same group that selected them also pick a team that won 16 games.
Not going to get into a bullshit hate fill discussion about the where and whys,
They played others did not, Next year is 2017. move on.

 

[DJ75]

Bet you never waited till Christmas morning for your presents did you?

Not if I could help it

 

[mattymac]

CEY's training with Hugh Greenwood in the US where Greenwood played college ball. Hopefully they both come into pre-season in tip top shape.

Finally some actual news!

 

[ad victoriam]

Fair enough,I know you have watched a lot more of his games than me. I guess we will see this coming season. If he doesn't get games after his 1 yr contract, I dare say he will be gone.

What I would like to see is the Crows SANFL games on TV every week. That would be a real bonus.

Been argue with the a few at the SANFL for a while, Every game has a camera, yet we only see 20 on channel 7 and a handful on Utube.
But with CEY history say he be delisted. unless he sustains what ever form he has from pre-season thru out the year. Because the number 13 and maybe 43 pick will pass him by in 2018 if he slack off. He needs to look at what Crouch, Atkins, Lyons did to improve there game good enough to maintain a spot in the side.

 

[DD#23]

so we all think and say, but just maybe there another reason. After all the same group that selected them also pick a team that won 16 games.
Not going to get into a bullshit hate fill discussion about the where and whys,
They played others did not, Next year is 2017. move on.

if we limited discussion to who and what there'd never be a discussion on anything, just reports of what's happening, you know, the shit you can get on the news and don't need a forum for. Go look up what forum means!

I only come here for discussion, and I can tell you its a lot better with the people who want to consider what the club could tweak to actually win the important games in September and not just the easy ones from March to August.

 

[MRB37]

Just looking at the number of players each club has who have yet to play a game, we're currently 2nd in the AFL with 8 players on 0 games. North are 1st with 9. Even if we take out Greenwood and Keath as Cat B rookies that leaves us with 6, which would be equal 2nd with Geelong and Sydney.

That's probably a result of that "continuation of 22" that Pyke seemed to be in favour of (and so few injuries). Even GWS managed to give 2-4 games to a lot of guys, I think that's something we'd need to definitely avoid next year, even if we are healthy. We could easily argue that we could have given 2-3 games to Wigg and Dear and not been any worse off.

 

[mattymac]

You're reminding me of all those people who said the same for Lyons; "if he's good enough he'll play". In the end he proved he was good enough but he didn't play until the sub rule was gone and guys like Wright were moved on. That kind of thinking is just shallow and naive, and is underpinned by a need to trust the coaches.

Lyons was lucky compared to Grigg and CEY in that he never got on the end of one of the midfield coach's tanties. Still didn't save him though. Grigg was actually the better player. CEY will be gone the minute his contract expires. Even when we acknowledge he deserves a game, part time midfield tantie queen makes sure he's parked somewhere outside the midfield. Walsh was the last hope of all those boys.

 

[MRB37]

Finally some actual news!

They're in Albuquerque, New Mexico (where Bugs Bunny should have taken a left turn) and with an elevation of 4954 feet it is one of the top 10 cities in the US for high altitude training according to this link.

https://www.outsideonline.com/1926461/top-10-towns-high-altitude-running

 

[ad victoriam]

if we limited discussion to who and what there'd never be a discussion on anything, just reports of what's happening, you know, the shit you can get on the news and don't need a forum for. Go look up what forum means!

I only come here for discussion, and I can tell you its a lot better with the people who want to consider what the club could tweak to actually win the important games in September and not just the easy ones from March to August.

Meaning of Forum , "a situation or meeting in which people can talk about a problem" Key word Talk about a problem or in our case write about and problem
That is not having a discussion base on hate fill Anti player comments, that all go so far south of a discussion it cease to be a discussion.
That why I always try to revert back to the original discussion,

 

[skoobydoo]

Freo's agenda is the complete absence of a forward line. Check their list out. McCarthy is the only significant in and he's a dodgy proposition.

Freo's agenda is not having a forward game plan.

 

[DD#23]

Meaning of Forum , "a situation or meeting in which people can talk about a problem" Key word Talk about a problem or in our case write about and problem
That is not having a discussion base on hate fill Anti player comments, that all go so far south of a discussion it cease to be a discussion.
That why I always try to revert back to the original discussion,

I don't hate players, never have. I want them all to be the next Leigh Matthews, Barry Robran, or whoever else.

none of my rhetoric is anti-Mackay as such, its anti his selection. Big difference. I want all the players to be given the best environment possible for them to reach their potential, and forcing out of form guys like Mackay and Douglas to push shit up hill all year in the firsts is not what's best for them. They needed to be given form-finding runs in the SANFL just as much as guys in the SANFL deserved a taste in the big league.

I'm against our decision making, not the guys trying to make the best of it on field. In saying that of course I'm still strongly of the opinion that the performances of guys like Mackay just weren't good enough this year BUT the best games of his career have been very good. The people making the decisions just haven't been able to get that out of him consistently.

 

[Vader]

setting the bar low like our selectors I see, 3 may be a "pass mark" on their marking rubric but that is the bare embarrassing minimum. VB managed an average of 2.6 votes in his appearances and he was putrid. The top half of players to play in the firsts averaged at least 7 votes per game and you think getting at least 3 is setting a reasonable standard?

21 players averaged more votes per game than Mr. Mackay. 21. But he was virtually untouchable in the 22.

I bet Wigg could have bagged three votes hovering around the packs for 20 touches, and he would have kicked it a damn sight better too.

3 is not setting the bar low. 3 means that the majority of the coaches thought that the player "played his role, beat his man". In other words, they were happy with the job the player did. In terms of school grades, it's a C. Anything less than 3 votes is a fail.

 

[ad victoriam]

I don't hate players, never have. I want them all to be the next Leigh Matthews, Barry Robran, or whoever else.

none of my rhetoric is anti-Mackay as such, its anti his selection. Big difference. I want all the players to be given the best environment possible for them to reach their potential, and forcing out of form guys like Mackay and Douglas to push shit up hill all year in the firsts is not what's best for them. They needed to be given form-finding runs in the SANFL just as much as guys in the SANFL deserved a taste in the big league.

I'm against our decision making, not the guys trying to make the best of it on field. In saying that of course I'm still strongly of the opinion that the performances of guys like Mackay just weren't good enough this year BUT the best games of his career have been very good. The people making the decisions just haven't been able to get that out of him consistently.

Sometime coaches see things in player others don't, And older players will get a extra chance, Some play different roles.
But I was talking about CEY and next year and How if he good enough he will play, And the conversation moves onto MacKay and Thommo,

Also I Believe Barlow will be a bonus to the Side

 

[skoobydoo]

3 is not setting the bar low. 3 means that the majority of the coaches thought that the player "played his role, beat his man". In other words, they were happy with the job the player did. In terms of school grades, it's a C. Anything less than 3 votes is a fail.

Not sure that a 3 means the coaches were 'happy'. Maybe a satisfactory?