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Prediction Michael Barlow

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Wayne's-World said:
a) you have no idea whether posters are staying away

b) There's a lot worse crap being posted that is more likely to stop quality posters visiting the site

c) Marty is correct, use the ignore button .......it's actually there for a purpose, and that includes following a certain discussion by posters

d) Marty may be excessive from time to time ......but he's hardly posting rubbish .....and it's frankly not up to you to make any judgement Kane
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A. Some long time posters have told me they are not coming here as often because of some other posters - so I do know.

B.Marty's crap is as low quality as it gets, but yes there are others too.

C.Most don't want to use the ignore button as you lose the jist of the conversation.

D. Frankly I & others have every right to have our say, as this board is for all. if some are deliberately ruining the enjoyment for others then they need to have a bloody good look at themselves! Marty makes no secret that he is deliberately trolling to get attention. Is this what we really want to drag this board down to?
 
marty36 said:
I suppose you can get in the bike with your shoulder it's hard to run with a bad shoulder it tends to ache from the jolting. He did say he would need extensive rehab so you would think would take 4 to 6 weeks of light weights to build the strength back into it.

I'm sure wherever he ends up we will know when he can join full training as it will be reported on.

If you don't feel an interrupted pre season is an issue then all will be good!
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Correct me if i'm wrong, but hasn't Barlow had the operation many months ago ? ......if it's the plate, then that procedure shouldn't impact his running or pre-season, other than contact work

IIRC Burton had plate / plates removed from his leg mid season .....came back and played his first senior games & finals
 
Wayne's-World said:
Correct me if i'm wrong, but hasn't Barlow had the operation many months ago ? ......if it's the plate, then that procedure shouldn't impact his running or pre-season, other than contact work

IIRC Burton had plate / plates removed from his leg mid season .....came back and played his first senior games & finals
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There's an article in which I posted Barlows quote saying he gets the plate out of his shoulder during summer training in which he will have to undergo extensive rehab once it's removed
 
Kane McGoodwin said:
A. Some long time posters have told me they are not coming here as often because of some other posters - so I do know.
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Doubt any of the conversations directly related to Marty ....as he's an infrequent poster

B.Marty's crap is as low quality as it gets, but yes there are others too.

C.Most don't want to use the ignore button as you lose the jist of the conversation.

D. Frankly I & others have every right to have our day, as this board is for all. if some are deliberately ruining the enjoyment for others then they need to have a bloody good look at themselves! Marty makes no secret that he is deliberately trolling to get attention. Is this what we really want to drag this board down to?
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This has been raised with Mods b4 ......their clear opinion is to encourage divisive posting, knowing that posters who want to have serious discussion get tired of all the crap & negativity .......so why not take it up with them
 

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Kane McGoodwin said:
A. Some long time posters have told me they are not coming here as often because of some other posters - so I do know.

B.Marty's crap is as low quality as it gets, but yes there are others too.

C.Most don't want to use the ignore button as you lose the jist of the conversation.

D. Frankly I & others have every right to have our say, as this board is for all. if some are deliberately ruining the enjoyment for others then they need to have a bloody good look at themselves! Marty makes no secret that he is deliberately trolling to get attention. Is this what we really want to drag this board down to?
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You will only miss my comments by putting me on ignore and my opinions, I've never hidden the fact I couldn't give a toss if you do or don't

What is trolling about talking about the fact Barlow has a plate in his shoulder which needs to be removed then he has to go through rehabilitation
 
marty36 said:
There's an article in which I posted Barlows quote saying he gets the plate out of his shoulder during summer training in which he will have to undergo extensive rehab once it's removed
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The main injury would have healed ......the removal of a plate is secondary to the original injury .......won't impact pre-season fitness / ball-work / learning gameplan
 
marty36 said:
You will only miss my comments by putting me on ignore and my opinions, I've never hidden the fact I couldn't give a toss if you do or don't

What is trolling about talking about the fact Barlow has a plate in his shoulder which needs to be removed then he has to go through rehabilitation
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Given hardly anyone is posting at this time of the year ....not sure whose posting time or discussion thread you're interrupting?

B4 ANYONE starts saying i'm a Marty apologist .......I've been on this board approx 8 years ....for 6 1/2 of those years Marty has been on "ignore" with me .......his posting of late has matured and we don't have the constant fights with his old mate anymore .......he actually posts stuff i like reading, if it becomes repetitious, i simply skim past the posts

Hell i do that with 1970crow for all his posts :p
 
Wayne's-World said:
The main injury would have healed ......the removal of a plate is secondary to the original injury .......won't impact pre-season fitness / ball-work / learning gameplan
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I suppose I have mate I train with he had a plate and a number of screws in him he was in pain whilst it was in couldn't do a lot when it was removed he was instructed by the doc take it easy for a few months the pain subsided after 3 or 4 months so you could be right
 
Huntercrow said:
Strange that he is singled out for his over rated 2016 yet Brouch who had similar numbers is revered by those same critics.
Now he is the player deserving criticism for a lack of smarts and an underwhelming season.
Considering their respective drafting position I would say the guy we selected in the 60s out performed the no 2 in the mini draft.
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Now you are going off in a completely different direction just to prove your point, albeit unsuccessfully.

Lyons had a good season. People are raving on about it because 12 months ago they labeled him a dud.

Brad Crouch comes off from a different angle where people expected him to replace Dangerfield and he didn't deliver on those rather lofty expectations.

Facts remain that in terms of continuity of training and playing, Lyons has had a clear run at it for good 6 years he has been on the list.

Brad Crouch by comparison was coming off a very serious foot injury and he practically has not played a game of football in 18 months. 2016 was realistically going to be a catch up game for Brad in terms of fitness, touch and development.

You are comparing apples to oranges to try and make a point.

Bottom line is Brad Crouch is a far superior football talent compared to Jarryd Lyons, he is younger and coming off a pretty limited and interrupted preparation. Lyons is a good honest footballer but he will never be tagged nor will opposition coaches plan for ways to limit his influence. It might surprise you but Brad Crouch is actually that sort of talent.
 
Wayne's-World said:
Given hardly anyone is posting at this time of the year ....not sure whose posting time or discussion thread you're interrupting?

B4 ANYONE starts saying i'm a Marty apologist .......I've been on this board approx 8 years ....for 6 1/2 of those years Marty has been on "ignore" with me .......his posting of late has matured and we don't have the constant fights with his old mate anymore .......he actually posts stuff i like reading, if it becomes repetitious, i simply skim past the posts

Hell i do that with 1970crow for all his posts :p
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For the record, I don't ignore all your posts, just the ones where you respond to a post of mine. I seem to incite the worst and most illogical part of your make-up.

I will admit that I did cross the threshold and put you on ignore. It lasted all of 5 minutes because it ruins threads. Marty I just skip past, he's harmless, I think he forgets who he's arguing with. You're like Jack is Back , you hold a grudge and it often blinds you to the reality
 
marty36 said:
I suppose you can get in the bike with your shoulder it's hard to run with a bad shoulder it tends to ache from the jolting. He did say he would need extensive rehab so you would think would take 4 to 6 weeks of light weights to build the strength back into it.

I'm sure wherever he ends up we will know when he can join full training as it will be reported on.

If you don't feel an interrupted pre season is an issue then all will be good!
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Point of the plate is to keep the bones in place while healing, Plate is remove after the healing is close to if not completely healed, Running and aerobic condition can occur 4-5 weeks after the operation, once the plate remove strength to the actual joint can commence if full, in some case strengthening can start while the plate in. Albeit they don't like that happening,
As I said History points to problems with interrupted preseason on Lower bodied injuries affect the season. Most upper bodied interrupted preseason don't affect a players year, As it the endurance and skills training that is the key in preseason,
But I would trust the Crows medical department to make the right call on this.
 

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marty36 said:
Totally agree CEY needs to be taking over from Thommo, if he is left to play in the Magoos there is no doubt he should have been traded or delisted, the guy had the best year he has ever played and although didnt poll that well was tipped as a magery favourite, not sure if he won the reserves B and F but must have been right up there.

What else could he possibly do to put himself out there.
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Big Gazoongas said:
If it doesn't cost us a draft pick does it really matter what the player status is/was? I wouldn't have thought so.
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It does when it's the point he was trying to make, ie Barlow wasn't wanted by Freo therefore they obviously don't rate him, why would we want him?

Carlton wanted Betts but we offered a better deal.

There's a big difference and it was an odd comparison for that reason.
 
CEY good ball getter but disposal ordinary. What do you want? Do you want the ball but turn it over or do you want the ball to go to someone in a better position? Even delisted rookie Ramsey had better inside centre potential, if he had been given the chance, with his top disposal efficiency. Cam looks more like a 1997 Sturt Diamond Jim Tilbrook halfback.
 
tappy43 said:
CEY good ball getter but disposal ordinary. What do you want? Do you want the ball but turn it over or do you want the ball to go to someone in a better position? Even delisted rookie Ramsey had better inside centre potential, if he had been given the chance, with his top disposal efficiency. Cam looks more like a 1997 Sturt Diamond Jim Tilbrook halfback.
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CEY needs to be given a go what's he played 15 games in 5 years. If he isn't then delist him stop wasting a spot on the list he isn't on a base salary. I want to see if he is capable, he had an outstanding year in the two's surely he should have had a go last year for fading players like Thommo and any other older fading players we have
 
Big Gazoongas said:
Betts didn't cost us anything either, so under your criteria he must be garbage.

There have been posters explain to you why Freo don't see him as a priority, but in true marty fashion you have your head firmly buried in the sand.

Why you post waffle when responding to posts rather than explaining your stance is truly a gift.

You're a hypocrite of the highest order dude.
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Leave me out of his garbage [emoji5]
 
Elite Crow said:
It does when it's the point he was trying to make, ie Barlow wasn't wanted by Freo therefore they obviously don't rate him, why would we want him?

Carlton wanted Betts but we offered a better deal.

There's a big difference and it was an odd comparison for that reason.
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Carlton didnt want Betts, preferring to spend their dollars on Thomas. If they wanted Betts he'd still be at the Blues.
Freo don't need Barlow for obvious reasons about where their list is at. Marty prefers to place his head in the sand about this as a reasobable reason why he's been delisted to back up his argument about Barlow.

Same goes with Lyons. Many posters here rate him. AFC traded him, does that mean he is garbage?

Regardless of how you see this scenario and whatever contex you like to see this in, the thing that matters above all else is the cost of aquiring an asset.
 

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Big Gazoongas said:
Carlton didnt want Betts, preferring to spend their dollars on Thomas. If they wanted Betts he'd still be at the Blues.
Freo don't need Barlow for obvious reasons about where their list is at. Marty prefers to place his head in the sand about this as a reasobable reason why he's been delisted to back up his argument about Barlow.

Same goes with Lyons. Many posters here rate him. AFC traded him, does that mean he is garbage?

Regardless of how you see this scenario and whatever contex you like to see this in, the thing that matters above all else is the cost of aquiring an asset.
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Gibbs 28 and Barlow 29. 2 different clubs making 2 different decisions about their list. ( Gibbs contracted ) . If Gibbs was let go by Carlton to Adelaide would that also mean Gibbs wasn't rated? Its a silly argument used by some to put Barlow in some sort of box that suits an argument.

I am on the fence with Barlow but I will sit up and argue ability, contract length or injury issues or age , but I would never ever not rate a player just because a club doesn't.
 
feenix67 said:
You don't watch a lot of SANFL do you. His disposal is fine, but his defensive running does needs work.

But seeing as youre happy to have Barlow in despite you thinking that Barlow's kicking is on the level of Thommo, then I guess in your eyes CEYs defensive running shouldn't be an issue.

Our list management is diabolical. You don't keep a kid in the system for 5 years and not play him. And if you see something you like, you play him. Walsh played him for almost his entire tenure, then as soon as Walshy passes away, it's back to the twos for Cam.

As a contracted player, CEY openly stated he wanted more game time. Hence he was open to a trade if the club wasn't going to give him that opportunity. They didn't trade him, so I expect him to be given that opportunity. If they don't, they've wasted Cam/Cameron/CEY's time and a list spot.
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Sorry but CEY Kicking disposal was not good his kicking and selection was below parr, I don't know what was the worse aspect of his kicking, either too shot, too long or bad selection, A few mate often wonder if there was a depth perception problem. At Goals he was OK but in the Open not so good. And I do see a lot of the SANFL.
 

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