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We played bloody well against Freo - Poor goal kicking cost us in that game even without Lobbe. We did get smashed on Sat night but its obvious that we are getting used to having Ryder in the team - I think it's a lot of little things at the minute, not surprised how we have started.

- We are playing quality sides, Sydney were great
- Lobbe out has thrown out game
- Redden was cooked after 5 mins
- Players out of form (you could name 5-6)
- Poor goal kicking
- Lack of confidence
- Maybe they think they better than they are and it was just going to happen if they showed up?

I'm not sure Walsh's departure is the be all and end all, wasn't Richardsons departure going to be bad??

Our defense has been great, Pittard awesome, it's between the two 50 arcs where we need to get out shite together, once that happens the forward 50 will take care of itself, you can't produce goals when you aren't owing the middle of the ground.

We will be getting it right as the year goes on.
 
Water bottles? :D

Yeah I know. :)
 

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Chrizzt said:
We're now first in disposal efficiency as opposed to 16th last year
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I reckon the stat is misleading. I thought some of our disposal was deplorable last night, we are probably higher in efficiency because of more 'wasted' short disposal, which brings the % up. Perhaps we need a new stat - disposal ****ups per 100m gained.

What I haven't seen so far this year is any significant periods of us running the ball aggressively. We've held on to it a lot, and there's been lots of short passes, allowing oppo to get back and clog up. To be frank, I haven't seen our exciting style from last year - that was good enough to smash Richmond, overrun Freo in an away final, and have Hawthorn supporters in a lather in the final term of a prelim.
 
On the bright side, other teams might stop trying to steal our coaches ;)
 
Mattrox said:
Oh Jimmy..... so much to do with that line.... but not worth a ban ;)
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You blokes do seem to have a certain part of the male anatomy on the brain did you see the Crows guest had in our gameday thread? must make you proud.... no ferals from west lakes eh! eh! eh! ;)
 

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Despite a few personnel issues in our onball group with a handful of underdone/injured players & missing our #1 ruckman I think we saw a few glimpses of what Voss has brought to our midfield tonight, we smashed a clearance king side we struggle against in North in the centre for large parts of the game.

Ryder did very well against Goldstein & Young should easily be in our best 20 when he plays like that, the midfield looked a lot better this week.
 
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I reckon the stat is misleading. I thought some of our disposal was deplorable last night, we are probably higher in efficiency because of more 'wasted' short disposal, which brings the % up. Perhaps we need a new stat - disposal ****ups per 100m gained.

What I haven't seen so far this year is any significant periods of us running the ball aggressively. We've held on to it a lot, and there's been lots of short passes, allowing oppo to get back and clog up. To be frank, I haven't seen our exciting style from last year - that was good enough to smash Richmond, overrun Freo in an away final, and have Hawthorn supporters in a lather in the final term of a prelim.
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Apparently what constitutes an "effective" possession is quite generous, basically any possession that doesnt directly go to an opponent from memory. So you can have a kick that misses its intended target by 15 metres from 20 metres away, end up in a 50/50 ball, and end up with the opposition from that contest, but it will still go down in the stats sheet as "effective". That's how I remember it being explained to me anyway, I could be a little off on the details.
 
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I think that how stoppage stuff that happened against Sydney was the product of two things: 1 being the gameplan. We wanted to have guys on the outside, not enough people were getting in the contest. Then you've got some underdone guys who really shouldn't have played (Redden in particular). 2 being that we were buggered from the week prior playing Freo in 28 degree heat. Furthermore, because the game was on a Sunday night, our players couldn't get back to Adelaide until Monday afternoon. So really, we have to travel from Perth to Adelaide, then have 4 and a half days of prep time before game day. Compare that to Sydney who had to travel less, and had a full week to prepare for the game. When I look at it in that context, I'm not surprised that we were so terrible and looked flat.

The AFL really should look into the logistics of the way its schedule works, particularly looking at the following fixture for teams who have to play a match in Perth on a Sunday at twilight; because due to air-traffic curfews etc, the team has to stay an extra night in WA and this can certainly hamper preparation for the next week's game.
 
Chewy316 said:
I think that how stoppage stuff that happened against Sydney was the product of two things: 1 being the gameplan. We wanted to have guys on the outside, not enough people were getting in the contest. Then you've got some underdone guys who really shouldn't have played (Redden in particular). 2 being that we were buggered from the week prior playing Freo in 28 degree heat. Furthermore, because the game was on a Sunday night, our players couldn't get back to Adelaide until Monday afternoon. So really, we have to travel from Perth to Adelaide, then have 4 and a half days of prep time before game day. Compare that to Sydney who had to travel less, and had a full week to prepare for the game. When I look at it in that context, I'm not surprised that we were so terrible and looked flat.

The AFL really should look into the logistics of the way its schedule works, particularly looking at the following fixture for teams who have to play a match in Perth on a Sunday at twilight; because due to air-traffic curfews etc, the team has to stay an extra night in WA and this can certainly hamper preparation for the next week's game.
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Ken was asked about that by Baz Curtain in the post game and he said "its bullshit"

So either the coach doesnt believe it ie travel factor, or if he does believe it, but is spinning us a line, then he isnt smart enough to compensate for it and make 3 to 5 changes to make sure we werent fatigued for the Swans game.
 
For the first two rounds we stuffed up the balance of forwards/mids/backs. We didn't have enough number of mids in the side. And the mids we did have were mostly outside mids.

We've restored some balance by bringing in Young, Ah Chee, Mitchell to basically replace 2 forwards.
 

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Shaucob_Burjan said:
For the first two rounds we stuffed up the balance of forwards/mids/backs. We didn't have enough number of mids in the side. And the mids we did have were mostly outside mids.

We've restored some balance by bringing in Young, Ah Chee, Mitchell to basically replace 2 forwards.
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Fair call but I think we need the right 3rd tall in our forward line for most of the season. Butcher/Redden + Neade aint as good as Ryder + Young when Lobbe comes back.
 
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Ken was asked about that by Baz Curtain in the post game and he said "its bullshit"

So either the coach doesnt believe it ie travel factor, or if he does believe it, but is spinning us a line, then he isnt smart enough to compensate for it and make 3 to 5 changes to make sure we werent fatigued for the Swans game.
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What else is he supposed to say publicly? Really, if he says "oh yeah the heat and the long travel with a short break to play will take it out of us," he would look like he pulled a Sando. Not to mention that everyone and anyone is looking to find a chink in our running game, and if we mention general fatigue just 1 game into the season, that whole aura so to speak about our fitness suddenly goes out the window. Yes, I know it sounds farfetched to an extent, but you can bet the house on it that everyone knows Port Adelaide are going to run and run hard for an entire game, no matter what the scoreline is. One or two games in a season (of comebacks), meh, you get lucky. Multiple times running over teams in the final quarter to win games over the course of 2 seasons? Not a coincidence.

We also needed to get the legs into Ryder, Monfries, Hartlett etc. Making changes and not playing a few of them only sets you back further in the long run.
 
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What else is he supposed to say publicly? Really, if he says "oh yeah the heat and the long travel with a short break to play will take it out of us," he would look like he pulled a Sando. Not to mention that everyone and anyone is looking to find a chink in our running game, and if we mention general fatigue just 1 game into the season, that whole aura so to speak about our fitness suddenly goes out the window. Yes, I know it sounds farfetched to an extent, but you can bet the house on it that everyone knows Port Adelaide are going to run and run hard for an entire game, no matter what the scoreline is. One or two games in a season (of comebacks), meh, you get lucky. Multiple times running over teams in the final quarter to win games over the course of 2 seasons? Not a coincidence.

We also needed to get the legs into Ryder, Monfries, Hartlett etc. Making changes and not playing a few of them only sets you back further in the long run.
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I wrote about my concerns about playing Ryder, Monfries, Wingard, Trengove and Hartlett all in Perth after having only 1 quarter between them in the NAB challenge and playing in 28 degree heat.

I disagree that you have to play them at AFL level. What would have been better for Monfries, playing 1 quarter as a sub or playing 4 quarters in the middle all game at SANFL and expected to run all day and given very little breaks? As we saw with Young, Krakouer and Mitchell, they were fit enough to have played against Sydney and in hindsight 2 or 3 of them should have.
 
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Apparently what constitutes an "effective" possession is quite generous, basically any possession that doesnt directly go to an opponent from memory. So you can have a kick that misses its intended target by 15 metres from 20 metres away, end up in a 50/50 ball, and end up with the opposition from that contest, but it will still go down in the stats sheet as "effective". That's how I remember it being explained to me anyway, I could be a little off on the details.
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Not quite right. Effective disposals are split between handballs, short kicks, and long kicks.
  • Handballs must always be received by a teammate to be effective.
  • Short kicks (less than 30 metres) need to be to a teammates advantage, i.e. can be out to space in front of them, but need to be possessed by a teammate at some point. Short kicks that are spoiled are not effective.
  • Long kicks (30 or greater) are effective if they go to a 50/50 contest or better. The reasoning is that the gaining of the meters still improves a teams position even if it gets killed in a 50/50.
  • Any disposal that is possessed by an opponent is a clanger.
There is a bit of a caveat that effective disposals aren't always cleanly possessed, e.g. if a teammate drops an absolute sitter, that still goes down as an effective disposal as the disposer did everything right.
 
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