Opinion Mick Malthouse

[blue gunslinger]

Either play the kids or don't - let's plan ahead

 

[Big Sim]

When the players themselves seem to struggle to understand the gameplan, what hope have we poor mortal supporters/fans?

However, I guess the obvious thing from the start is Mick has tried to implement his (in)famous boundary hugging style gameplan.

Problem is, you need a very fit squad to be able to handle this. Big FAIL there for us already. Plus I suppose you need players with pretty decent defensive nous and let's face it, we have a lot of players who don't appear to be the most footy smart. And the ones who do appear to have the smarts, are not the dour defensive types anyway - they're typically our more attacking players who have some flair.

And then the thing I absolutely cannot fathom - playing half the midfield as taggers. In a nutshell IMO Mick's gameplan seems extremely negative in it's approach and lately we're seeing all the attacking flair completely taken away. For a while we would see the Ratten gameplan re-emerge for a quarter or two and we'd play quite a bit better but now, we just about never see it. We've got a negative, restricting type gameplan for a list that will probably never be able to properly play it.

I'm with Gbatman on this: we are actually playing our plan B all the time because we are not good enough to play Plan A. Trouble is we are not good enough for Plan B either and I don't think there is a Plan C. Unless its to chip the ball sideways and backwards in our back half until we turn it over and they score. If it is, we have it down to a T.

 

[Dramoth]

Every one of the coaching staff should have to reapply for their position at the end of the year. We should accept other applicants too and hire the best people for the roles. Revolutionary, I know.

I said that in one of the other threads...

replying to TheSheik I think

 

[thylacine60]

Ok I will take the job

Do you have your own clipboard?

 

[thylacine60]

The crowd slowly went insane today watching the backline switch-passing which was really just a dumb version of hot potato.

 

[The Bighouse]

I read this because it was the least pages vs the GWS post rant. Was at the Gold Coast tonight and FMD they've looked like they've made the same wrong decision that we did with an outdated game day coach.

Replaced coaches for all the wrong reasons but MM has at least assisted us on (hopefully) improving our list long term.

 

[Dramoth]

Either play the kids or don't - let's plan ahead

If they were to sack Mick immediately and put Laidley into place as caretaker for the rest of the year (and did what both myself and MEB_ suggested)... I would make one of the proviso's of his getting the caretaker job would be to play the kids for the rest of the year.

And while I suggested everyone getting the chance to apply for their old jobs. There are a couple of people who I wouldnt interview at all despite their apparent qualifications. I wouldnt be allowing Brad Green and John Barker to apply at all.

While I have been pretty much the sole critic of Barker for his lack of apparent ability in helping young players develop... it's a view based on what the supporters of two other clubs have had to say about him. And they are pretty much backed up by the empirical evidence of their forward lines improving after his departure. He really isnt any good at helping to develop players. And thats something that Carlton has been crap about for years!

 

[Aphrodite]

Malthouse is a good coach,,,your list is poor.

Are you lost!

 

[Dramoth]

Do you have your own clipboard?

I think that he does... and a good supply of xanax as well

 

[T2B_]

The crowd slowly went insane today watching the backline switch-passing which was really just a dumb version of hot potato.

And during said hot potato we always end up getting burnt.

 

[carlton2dabone]

And during said hot potato we always end up getting burnt.

What hurts is that its not just during said hot potato that we get burnt, when we kick the ball long and high along the boundary we almost always invariably lose possession as well.

No wonder the fans started booing today.

 

[Azul]

Where was booing?

I couldn't hear any, though maybe that's being in the cheap seats on level 3 sitting near 2 Gigantic supporters.

 

[blue gunslinger]

No green or barker
So we need people who know their ass from their elbow?
New concept for the club
Lock it in

 

[blue gunslinger]

I think that he does... and a good supply of xanax as well

Xanax is gone
Kalma is new karma

 

[Dramoth]

No green or barker
So we need people who know their ass from their elbow?
New concept for the club
Lock it in

I would leave Sav Rocca in charge of our forward line to be honest... he has had charge of training Cas for 2 weeks and we have already seen a massive improvement. After his years of being trained by the coaches over in the states, I think that he has a few ideas on how to get the best out of misfiring forwards.

 

[regpies]

Recruitment was a problem for you guys before Mick arrived, I reckon he has made the problem even worse. The decision to go for Daisy over Betts has been a disaster.

One thing that's not getting much of a mention is fitness, you can't make tackles and sprint to the next contest if you aren't fit.

I think Butifant is a big issue, he is all about not overloading players training. What a load of crap, how do you get fit by not pushing yourself past what you think are your limits. In his last year at Collingwood we were lacking in fitness and speed. I see similar things at Carlton. But as long as Mick is there he won't be going anywhere

 

[bluekidjoe]

I would leave Sav Rocca in charge of our forward line to be honest... he has had charge of training Cas for 2 weeks and we have already seen a massive improvement. After his years of being trained by the coaches over in the states, I think that he has a few ideas on how to get the best out of misfiring forwards.

In the state of shock-horror that we now perpetually live, this is one positive that has seen a slight ray of excitement pierce the blackness. #KeepSav

 

[Dramoth]

If the rest of the team could at least pull it together for next week and actually give him some decent service into the forward line, I am looking forward to two of the best contested marks in the competition going head to head

 

[Azul]

I watched Mick's press conference. What dumbfounded me yesterday was team selection.

1. He spoke of picking a side capable of playing competitive football. 8 changes and losing by 78 points, which could have been a lot more except GWS were shockingly inaccurate in front of goal.
   
2. 'Robotic players' who kick sideways. He picked the side by dropping the kids. So his handpicked more 'senior' players didn't stand up to the pressure. I thought we were in a rebuild rather than sticking with veterans who aren't up to it.

Why did we play Yarran on his own in their defensive 50 when the early rounds of the season showed that by dropping a player back just allows the opposition to easily create a loose man and stream from our forward line to theirs because we lack both pace and endurance?

 

[Red Bull]

The question has to be asked , did Malthouse sign for the right reasons in the first place ??

Whatever , this just cannot continue .

 

[Dramoth]

If we were serious about a rebuild... I would be tapping Carrazzo on the shoulder and asking if he can help out in the Bullants for the remainder of the year. And give him a player/coaching job there next year.

 

[Peacock]

I can't even think of one player that's better under Malthouse. Maybe Gibb's last year, definitely not this season.

The biggest concern is if we keep Malthouse for the remainder of the year, our playing list is worthless at the trade table.
Henderson for starters need to go to CHB so he has some trade value, or else we might get offered a second rounder for him if we are lucky.

They put up a stat during the game that Carlton is 2nd in the league for clearances. If our playing list was as **** as Mick says it is, wouldn't we be 17th or 18th in clearances? We clearly don't have an elite tap ruckman in Wood.

Laidler, Waite, Betts, Garlett are all playing pretty good footy at other clubs, if they were in this system they would be useless, I am certain of that.

So now we have a president who has to 'stick to his word' and not sack Malthouse mid season, pathetic.

oh yeah another thing, GWS's conversion in front of goal was absolutely terrible 40 shots at goal to 12 by us, should have been a 120+ point belting, the score line flattered us.

 

[swoop42]

Sorry for my intrusion and I know hearing from a Collingwood supporter is the last thing you want but here it goes.

Your former coach Ratten did a better job with a list of similar depth and quality IMO.

You finished with 11 wins in 2012.

In contrast Port only won 5.

Mick stuffed up from the start by letting his ego get in the way and he overestimated his own ability.

He thought he could mould your group into a premiership contender and was busy on the book tour when he should have been turning over the list that very first preseason and looking to improve it via draft position or trade.

In 2013 the problem was only compounded when you made the finals by default owing to the Essendon situation and this again papered over the obvious cracks of the playing list that surfaced during the season and a proper rebuild was once again delayed.

The game is ever changing, it's more tactical than ever before and the coaches playbook is ever increasing.

His game plan has served him well for 3 decades but you feel these last couple of seasons we've reached the tipping point where the key platform of his plan, kicking around the boundary and being predictable to one another in doing so is now a major hindrance.

Hell Scott used this to his advantage against us 3 times in 2011.

Only a fool would believe Mick is solely responsible for your current situation but an even bigger one couldn't see he's played a supporting role in your demise and his time is up.

 

[DragoonCody]

Sorry about randomly jumping in but I noticed talk about our recovery as a club so I figured I could elaborate on how it went with us.

Very similar situation to Port under Primus. Plenty of good kids to pick, but you wouldn't know the way Primus was coaching.

In a furthering of your analogy, Primus wasn't fantastic but he wasn't the main problem at Port Adelaide. He didn't have proper support (the head coach might be the spokesperson of all coaches but he's only like 1/10th of them) and the people making decisions higher up were stuck in the wrong mindset.

We didn't just replace him, we cleaned out a lot of people from the top down, from staff to assistant coaches to board members and after the cleaning out in 2011-2012 was finished we had a new CEO, President and Coach, a more stable less bare-bones support staff, and a clear vision.

Mick Malthouse might not be running the show perfectly but I don't think kicking him out will solve your primary issues. I don't have a super detailed knowledge of Carlton at the executive level but I do know they recently appointed as CEO someone who Crows fans were desperately trying to get rid of after he brought their credibility into disrepute, so I'd have to imagine that would be a good start for looking at.

 

[mediumsizered]

Sorry for my intrusion and I know hearing from a Collingwood supporter is the last thing you want but here it goes.

Your former coach Ratten did a better job with a list of similar depth and quality IMO.

You finished with 11 wins in 2012.

In contrast Port only won 5.

Mick stuffed up from the start by letting his ego get in the way and he overestimated his own ability.

He thought he could mould your group into a premiership contender and was busy on the book tour when he should have been turning over the list that very first preseason and looking to improve it via draft position or trade.

In 2013 the problem was only compounded when you made the finals by default owing to the Essendon situation and this again papered over the obvious cracks of the playing list that surfaced during the season and a proper rebuild was once again delayed.

The game is ever changing, it's more tactical than ever before and the coaches playbook is ever increasing.

His game plan has served him well for 3 decades but you feel these last couple of seasons we've reached the tipping point where the key platform of his plan, kicking around the boundary and being predictable to one another in doing so is now a major hindrance.

Hell Scott used this to his advantage against us 3 times in 2011.

Only a fool would believe Mick is solely responsible for your current situation but an even bigger one couldn't see he's played a supporting role in your demise and his time is up.

Imagine a coach having total belief in their own ability to coach. Of course you would much rather a coach with doubts about his coaching ability.

As for that first pre-season, we have virtually no wriggle room in the salary cap & too many fringe players who were contracted until the end of 2013. Any desire to trade or participate more actively in the 2012 National Draft was stifled by this, hence why we were far more active in 2013 & 2014.