Mickey Arthur - Time to Go

[The Passenger]

I don't think a coach has a huge influence in cricket. not at elite level.

technical flaws will be picked up by your teammates just as easily as coaches. unlike say football where your teammates are pretty much always in the thick of the action, in cricket all eyes are on whoever is batting and bowling.

tactically the captain is the more important than the coach.

it's why i was really surprised by the influence mcdermott had on some of the bowlers and then reading comments from a guy like siddle - "He just told us to pitch the ball up more and allow it to swing more"

seriously? didn't these guys learn that at age 14?

 

[western royboy]

I don't think a coach has a huge influence in cricket. not at elite level.

technical flaws will be picked up by your teammates just as easily as coaches. unlike say football where your teammates are pretty much always in the thick of the action, in cricket all eyes are on whoever is batting and bowling.

tactically the captain is the more important than the coach.

it's why i was really surprised by the influence mcdermott had on some of the bowlers and then reading comments from a guy like siddle - "He just told us to pitch the ball up more and allow it to swing more"

seriously? didn't these guys learn that at age 14?

My observation is that less cricketers that play the game now (across all levels) actually understand the basics of the game than ever before. It is illuminating as a cricket tragic and coach to sit down a group of players and actually explain a few basic concepts or give reasons why we are directing towards one way over another when the light bulb switches on and the concept is grasped.

My view is that our systems now are much more focussed around playing first and then trying to adjust technique. In my day it was the other way around.

Many of the things that you may consider as basics, may never have been taught or understood.

 

[Harmichael]

Everyone loves a bit of casual racism.

Yes - just how much more discrimination can those poor oppressed white South Africans take?

 

[AM]

Apparently Mickey Arthur has shut his twitter account down due to all the abuse he's been copping lately.

Fair enough if you don't want him as the coach but abusing the guy on twitter is going a bit far. Mind you any high profile person with a twitter account is asking for trouble, they're always going to be a target for trolls and idiots.

Agree.

If you're going to replace him you need to come up with someone better. Boof? Not for me. And the idea from the oxygen thief of Fleming, who has had no coaching experience to speak of, is laughable.

As someone here has suggested the problem goes way deeper than Mickey Arthur.

 

[Patron]

Hughes, Smith, Khawaja, Burns, M.Marsh - I don't think our batting prospects are that grave. Just need experience, and confidence.

Did we underutilise the talents of Rogers, Hodge, Dussey, Voges etc when they were at their peak? I wonder how things would look if we looked to them in 2009-2012, rather than shot straight to youth.

Marsh Will never make it as a batsmen alone in tests. Can't believe he still averages 21 in FC cricket after 45 innings. I do think he could make it in the all rounder spot but is probably slightly behind Henriques at this stage. Mitch could Definitely make a gun short form player though, I expect him too.
All those batsmen mentioned have some talent, but issues too. Compared to other international teams its not the best U26 batting list.
I don't think having any specialist batsmen (not including our all rounder and keeper) who averages under 40 is really good enough. The best teams in the world SA, England, Australia and India in my lifetime have never really had specialist batsmen averaging less than 40.
I do think we have been a little bit too youth conscious lately there is nothing wrong with selecting batsmen in their low 30's. Bailey and Voges etc should be picked if they are deemed to be the best option. I see no reason to play players like Khawaja who are a few years younger if they aren't as good.

 

[Suckling2Gunston]

I don't think a coach has a huge influence in cricket. not at elite level.

technical flaws will be picked up by your teammates just as easily as coaches. unlike say football where your teammates are pretty much always in the thick of the action, in cricket all eyes are on whoever is batting and bowling.

tactically the captain is the more important than the coach.

it's why i was really surprised by the influence mcdermott had on some of the bowlers and then reading comments from a guy like siddle - "He just told us to pitch the ball up more and allow it to swing more"

seriously? didn't these guys learn that at age 14?

I totally understand what you're saying but at the same time the previous coach had been drumming it into them to all bowl a McGrath like length. The trouble with that is, there aren't many people who can legitimately hit that length 6 balls in a row. As such you start to drop one a little shorter.. 4 runs. You stray a little fuller.. 4 runs. Now you don't know where you're at, and the batsman is in your head.

 

[Patron]

Mcgrath was the only bowler who could hit that line and length 6 balls in a row.

 

[King Elvis]

Not to mention he's a lot taller than guys like Siddle, so when he did hit that length, he could get that really climbing bounce that was so dangerous.

One size doesn't fit all.

 

[western royboy]

I read some where that Micky Arthur had quit Twitter. I would have preferred that he left off the Twitter. In my universe, the coach of Australia stays in the background and is largely seen but not heard, offering advice the players as required and actually being their coach. He is either employed as the Coach or the PR consultant - not both. It has nothing to do with where he is from or what his background is. My view is that his position has been compromised and ultimately there can only be one boss. If that's the Captain - so be it, but either way we need to have a clearer picture of where the buck stops.

 

[damochandler]

team management should go well before any other coach does.

i don't think he is the right person to lead this team into the future any way. lehmann would be the guy

 

[Stig O'Hara]

Sounds like harping.

Want his head.

 

[Partridge]

Mcgrath was the only bowler who could hit that line and length 6 balls in a row.

Not quite. Through the 1980s every test nation had at least one bowler who could do it. Hadlee was just as accurate as McGrath if not more so. The West Indies generally had 4 guys who could do it. The difference was by the time McGrath hit his stride hardly anyone could do it.

 

[Partridge]

Chappell and warne both apparently think all coaches are pointless and repeat that tired line over and over, they then spend their time analyzing who the best and worst coaches are.

Chappell's never said that. He's always acknowledged the excellent coaching he had through his childhood and has said many times that coaches need to help develop the right technique, as well as - this is the important bit - working the game out for yourself. If that doesn't happen, then he says you're better off with none.

Chappell's never disparaged coaching; he's disparaged poor or the wrong kind of coaching.

 

[dan warna]

Only one batsman averaging over 40 :/

 

[The Jet]

It's clear Arthur wont be sacked until after the back to back ashes series, if we cant win 1 of the 2 series, he will be sacked.

 

[jiphoc]

It's clear Arthur wont be sacked until after the back to back ashes series, if we cant win 1 of the 2 series, he will be sacked.

What off the back of an Indian tour? I think you will find most teams struggle a lot over there. I think you will also find most teams have more then just the one batsmen in the lineup.

 

[Ill Chicken]

The issue is Clarke more than Arthur. The captain picks the side, he welds absolute power, it is not different to Ponting wanting Doherty in the Brisbane test and Clarke taking half his NSW mates to India.

 

[King Elvis]

What off the back of an Indian tour? I think you will find most teams struggle a lot over there. I think you will also find most teams have more then just the one batsmen in the lineup.

Isn't this the most comprehensive series defeat in Australian cricketing history?

Or was is the most comprehensive Indian win?

 

[jiphoc]

Isn't this the most comprehensive series defeat in Australian cricketing history?

Or was is the most comprehensive Indian win?

Aussies have not lost 4 -0 or worse since the tour of South Africa.

However the issue as I said is not the coach. It is not the bowler. After Clarke you have NO ONE who is a good bat. Watson had a good 18 months with the bat and since has done nothing. Warner is hit and miss at best and only god knows how Smith got in the side. Hughes is the only other batsmen in the side that I would say deserves to be there.

Tell me what can the coach do about that?

 

[Mateyman]

The issue is Clarke more than Arthur. The captain picks the side, he welds absolute power, it is not different to Ponting wanting Doherty in the Brisbane test and Clarke taking half his NSW mates to India.

Yeah, Clarke should have created another 5 test quality batsmen and then selected them...

 

[King Elvis]

Aussies have not lost 4 -0 or worse since the tour of South Africa.

However the issue as I said is not the coach. It is not the bowler. After Clarke you have NO ONE who is a good bat. Watson had a good 18 months with the bat and since has done nothing. Warner is hit and miss at best and only god knows how Smith got in the side. Hughes is the only other batsmen in the side that I would say deserves to be there.

Tell me what can the coach do about that?

Select a better side, for a start?

Just to clarify though, I think Arthur is rubbish, as are the Selectors and the admin, led by Sutherland. This dismal state we are in didn't happen overnight - it's been obvious to some of us that it was going to happen for years, there was no long term planning or foresight, just mindlessly lurching from series to series, with the odd win over crap teams papering over the cracks.

Some of us were saying years ago that we needed to get guys like Hughes and Khawaja into the side while Ponting and Hussey were still around to mentor them - instead we stuffed around with North, then Quiney, then dropped Hughes, then brought Smith in and out, Andrew McDonald, Shaun Marsh, and Cameron White, now Maxwell and even Cowan and Warner.

Years of poor management has resulted in this, and lets not sugar coat it - this is our worst defeat in around forty years; it's a disaster.

 

[jiphoc]

Select a better side, for a start?

Just to clarify though, I think Arthur is rubbish, as are the Selectors and the admin, led by Sutherland. This dismal state we are in didn't happen overnight - it's been obvious to some of us that it was going to happen for years, there was no long term planning or foresight, just mindlessly lurching from series to series, with the odd win over crap teams papering over the cracks.

Some of us were saying years ago that we needed to get guys like Hughes and Khawaja into the side while Ponting and Hussey were still around to mentor them - instead we stuffed around with North, then Quiney, then dropped Hughes, then brought Smith in and out, Andrew McDonald, Shaun Marsh, and Cameron White, now Maxwell and even Cowan and Warner.

Years of poor management has resulted in this, and lets not sugar coat it - this is our worst defeat in around forty years; it's a disaster.

Ok so you are proving my point because I agree with everything you just said. How is that the fault of ARTHUR? He has only just arrived. What you say is from the previous management

 

[brisbane13]

Agree.

If you're going to replace him you need to come up with someone better. Boof? Not for me. And the idea from the oxygen thief of Fleming, who has had no coaching experience to speak of, is laughable.

As someone here has suggested the problem goes way deeper than Mickey Arthur.

is there any one else better than boof?

have a look at what Boof has done in cricket in Qld? going in another Shield final, won the Ryobi cup and BBL titles all with only being there a few years & a young team full of nobody's. Boof has also had some success coaching in the IPL.

he has the ability to get the best out of his players and provide leader ship, some mikey Arther and Clarke.
his playing week point was his fitness, but was a talented batsman who was a deep thinker of the game

 

[dan warna]

clarke and boof will get on like a fire and petrol...

 

[King Elvis]

Ok so you are proving my point because I agree with everything you just said. How is that the fault of ARTHUR? He has only just arrived. What you say is from the previous management

He's been around for around 18 months, hasn't he?

The crap rotation policy is his.
Dropping Lyon?
The apparent collapse in standards and discipline has happened under his watch, as has the massive overcorrection to try and fix it.
The worst loss in 40 years has happened under him.

They are all culpable.