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[sr36]

I think they’ll go best available and won’t be fussed if it’s 6 or 18 months with the focus being longer term potential. Lots of kids got overlooked in the draft last year and a few of them would have been on our radar.

That's the usual approach. I just don't think it suits our context.

With list spots tight. Best available for that list spot in 2026 is probably not available in the MSD. Just leave it open unless it's someone you think can genuinely play seniors in 2025.

 

[manicpie]

That's the usual approach. I just don't think it suits our context.

With list spots tight. Best available for that list spot in 2026 is probably not available in the MSD. Just leave it open unless it's someone you think can genuinely play seniors in 2025.

We'll take a CHB for 6 months, that's provided we take anyone at all. I'm not convinced We'll take anyone unless it's absolutely necessary

 

[Mollythedolly]

That's the usual approach. I just don't think it suits our context.

With list spots tight. Best available for that list spot in 2026 is probably not available in the MSD. Just leave it open unless it's someone you think can genuinely play seniors in 2025.

It’s senior list spots that’ll be difficult to find. Well free up 3-4 rookie spots with all of Markov, Dean, Johnson and Sullivan vulnerable, even a promotion for Long potentially. Highly unlikely we’ll delist-rookie more than a couple. I’d back our recruiters to identify a MSD rookie with equally as much potential as a rookie selection in the 2025 ND.

 

[manicpie]

It’s senior list spots that’ll be difficult to find. Well free up 3-4 rookie spots with all of Markov, Dean, Johnson and Sullivan vulnerable, even a promotion for Long potentially. Highly unlikely we’ll delist-rookie more than a couple. I’d back our recruiters to identify a MSD rookie with equally as much potential as a rookie selection in the 2025 ND.

It's hard to get any quality long term players from the MSD. I'd rather take a back up defender for 6 months. We already have a host of borderline players playing VFL. Not keen on adding more DeMattia, Ryan and the like types, which is all you'll get from this MSD.

 

[Gabbo64]

I think he's just too old - He's 29 in December, so you don't get a significant opportunity to benefit from him. Unless they were really looking at it like he's a 6 month injury replacement for Reef and then he moves on, I'm not sure I see it. And even then, he's not really a fit for the role they wanted Reef to play as that stay at home, shut down defender.

Charlie McCartin is 2 years younger, for comparison, and the upside is probably slightly higher due to lack of exposure at the top level and the family pedigree.

Someone like Will Hoare, who I remember hearing loosely mentioned in relation to us around draft time last year, is 197cm and only 24.

Then there's Fraser Rosman (23yo) who's been playing well for Port Melbourne in the VFL and being coached by Brendan McCartney, who was working at Collingwood last year and would obviously give us the scoop.

I just don't think it's as obvious as picking up our 28 year old VFL captain who's been observed for YEARS by us and not ever previously deemed to be at the level.

Point taken, but we are in the window right now. We're all but flag favourites. We need a right now player who will help us win a flag if a player goes down, not someone who will develop. It is only the MSD. I think development players mainly come from the national draft or PSD.

 

[Mollythedolly]

It's hard to get any quality long term players from the MSD. I'd rather take a back up defender for 6 months. We already have a host of borderline players playing VFL. Not keen on adding more DeMattia, Ryan and the like types, which is all you'll get from this MSD.

So far in the MSD we’ve added Carmichael (premature retirement due to injury), Noble, Begg, Johnson, Smit, and Ned Long. That’s 1 player who has played 100+ games, another (Long) who looks destined to achieve that based on current form, Johnson who has played 20+ games and looked every inch a top prospect early on, and Smit who it’s way too early to call. Begg is the only 1 actually delisted (so far). HDM and Ryan were taken via the National Draft.

 

[manicpie]

So far in the MSD we’ve added Carmichael (premature retirement due to injury), Noble, Begg, Johnson, Smit, and Ned Long. That’s 1 player who has played 100+ games, another (Long) who looks destined to achieve that based on current form, Johnson who has played 20+ games and looked every inch a top prospect early on, and Smit who it’s way too early to call. Begg is the only 1 actually delisted (so far). HDM and Ryan were taken via the National Draft.

Let's face it, other than long and Noble, it's not a great list.

 

[Vinnie Vegas]

Point taken, but we are in the window right now. We're all but flag favourites. We need a right now player who will help us win a flag if a player goes down, not someone who will develop. It is only the MSD. I think development players mainly come from the national draft or PSD.

I'm still not sure that Glover is the best player that we could add for depth right now either, and I wouldn't be surprised if the coaching staff feel the same, given that he's never even been invited to train for a spot with the AFL side in preseason or anything. I think he's seen as comfortably below the level but fine at VFL level.

Taking a player who may have levels to ascend to beyond what they've shown as of yet is probably the biggest chance of having a guy from VFL level to AFL level.

 

[sr36]

Let's face it, other than long and Noble, it's not a great list.

The other factor is that most of them - including Noble and Long - didn't have much interest and would have most likely been avaiable in the SSP. Surely having them do a preseason trial along with another couple of players is more likely to get us hits.

Carmichaal and AJ are the two with interest, who we needed to take in the MSD to get on the list for the following year.

Other than short term injury cover, I'd only use it if we had an early pick in the draft and a kid who we rated and unlikely to be avaialable at the end of the year..

 

[Mollythedolly]

Let's face it, other than long and Noble, it's not a great list.

We’ve added Kelly, A2B, IQ, Rantall, Bianco, Ruscoe, Macrae, McInnes, Poulter, McMahon, McCreery, Naicos, Draper, Murley, Harrison, Allan, Ryan, Richards, HDM, and TJ via the ND in drafts from Nobles time. I’ve highlighted the 10 of the 20 who aren’t any longer on our list. Other than IQ, McCreery and Naicos, it’s not a great list either.

 

[Mollythedolly]

The other factor is that most of them - including Noble and Long - didn't have much interest and would have most likely been avaiable in the SSP. Surely having them do a preseason trial along with another couple of players is more likely to get us hits.

Carmichaal and AJ are the two with interest, who we needed to take in the MSD to get on the list for the following year.

Other than short term injury cover, I'd only use it if we had an early pick in the draft and a kid who we rated and unlikely to be avaialable at the end of the year..

None of our ND or RD picks get to do a preseason with us.

 

[manicpie]

We’ve added Kelly, A2B, IQ, Rantall, Bianco, Ruscoe, Macrae, McInnes, Poulter, McMahon, McCreery, Naicos, Draper, Murley, Harrison, Allan, Ryan, Richards, HDM, and TJ via the ND in drafts from Nobles time. I’ve highlighted the 10 of the 20 who aren’t any longer on our list. It’s not a great list either.

I normally just agree with who we take. I just feel this year, there's a need for a CHB who could come in quite quickly. I could be way off but we are well served in all other positions this year

 

[Mollythedolly]

I'm still not sure that Glover is the best player that we could add for depth right now either, and I wouldn't be surprised if the coaching staff feel the same, given that he's never even been invited to train for a spot with the AFL side in preseason or anything. I think he's seen as comfortably below the level but fine at VFL level.

Taking a player who may have levels to ascend to beyond what they've shown as of yet is probably the biggest chance of having a guy from VFL level to AFL level.

I’d love to see Glover rewarded with a senior list spot, but I think he’s just a more flexible Charlie Dean with similar issues.

 

[Magland]

MSD is a long shot


and we got him

 

[sr36]

I’d love to see Glover rewarded with a senior list spot, but I think he’s just a more flexible Charlie Dean with similar issues.

Me too. I don't think there's actually much between them. Both very good VFL players who look a bit NQR physically in terms of AFL future.

 

[Smackdos]

Early call would be between Tomlinson and Kreuger for the depth/swingman, it's a valuable position to have on the list and both are in good form at the present.

 

[magpiewarrior]

Early call would be between Tomlinson and Kreuger for the depth/swingman, it's a valuable position to have on the list and both are in good form at the present.

Always liked the potential of Krueger, wouldn’t mind him having another go. He’ll never let you down through a lack of effort.

 

[jmac70]

Please not Kreuger.

 

[Pistol Night]

Always liked the potential of Krueger, wouldn’t mind him having another go. He’ll never let you down though a lack of effort.

Id be worried the sliding doors might not open when hes coming to the AIA centre to sign a new contract and he'd concuss himself headbutting them and enter the protocols

 

[Jen2310]

I can't see us going backwards to kreuger. Plus, he's back playing forward for Geelong, not defence.

 

[Magland]

I can't see us going backwards to kreuger. Plus, he's back playing forward for Geelong, not defence.

Side by side (pardon the pun) McCartin has had a better season than Freddy anyway.

 

[Jen2310]

Side by side (pardon the pun) McCartin has had a better season than Freddy anyway.

Even Mccartin, as good as his season might be, wasn't good enough to be selected in the state side for whatever reason.
Same goes for Tomlinson.

 

[Magland]

Even Mccartin, as good as his season might be, wasn't good enough to be selected in the state side for whatever reason.
Same goes for Tomlinson.

Who were the state side key defenders?

 

[Peters_Nuts]

That's the usual approach. I just don't think it suits our context.

With list spots tight. Best available for that list spot in 2026 is probably not available in the MSD. Just leave it open unless it's someone you think can genuinely play seniors in 2025.

Agree with everything sr36 has said in here. This isn’t a draft where we should be looking to fill future list spots.

Our window is right now and we need an experienced player who can slot in as best as they can straight away without worrying about development. Glover knows the team, the environment and would have exposure to our game plan. Couldn’t care less about his age, he’s the perfect 6 month candidate.

 

[Jen2310]

Who were the state side key defenders?

Kreuger (back to playing forward for Geelong)
Sam Durdin