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Here is some of the blatant bullshit in that article that just articulates how bad the AFL media landscape can be

Jackson
"Comparable to Boyd": Boyd was 1 year out and under contract, no comparable at all
"Hayden Young could be part of the deal but just re-signed": So why the **** would you mention it because there is clearly no chance that is happening
"Ideally Melbourne would want two top 10 picks": Your a reporter who gives a shit what Melbourne would want 'ideally', Freo ideally want Jackson for Darcy Tucker but that's not happening.

Lobb
"The Dogs will play hardball": He's contracted, what are THEY playing hardball over, how is it relevant if the Dogs are playing hardball

So right off the bat here we have BLATANT Vic bias in this reporting, and I dont normally care about vic bias but this shit is ridiculous

The rest of the article is decent until Ralph claims a team is giving up not 1 but 2 first rounds picks for Martin in additional to his 2.6m salary which is equally hilarious
 
The change in rhetoric depending on which end of the deal the Victorian club is on is genuinely absurd.

www.foxsports.com.au

Carlton urged to play hard ball at trade table as new coach faces first ‘line in the sand call’

Blues urged to shun Freo’s new trade demand as coach faces first ‘line in the sand call’
www.foxsports.com.au www.foxsports.com.au

Ralph dubbed it new Carlton coach Michael Voss’ “first line in the sand call”.

The Herald Sun reporter said the Blues could dig their heels in and use the threat of walking Cerra to the pre-season draft to take him there – like they did in 2019 when they picked up Jack Martin from the Suns – but added it was more likely a Carlton-Fremantle deal would get done.

“I think they‘ll get somewhere in between. Say it’s Pick 6 and a future second with a third back, you look at the net gain in that midfield, because right now they’ve got Sam Walsh, Patrick Cripps – who’s their third best midfielder? Is it Paddy Dow?” Ralph said.
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Snuffaluphagus said:
Reported, enjoy your ban
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I actually don't think he was that much of a flog in this one;

- Jackson: Two first round picks, "In an ideal world Melbourne would want two picks inside 10", he's not actually suggested that will happen or he's worth it, he's more pointed to the R1 + F1 from us may not be quite equitable, with the implication it might still be what happens

- Lobb: Second rounder - I take umbrage with this considering he's a contracted KPF, Bulldogs pick will be ~30 at best and Ralph has also suggested a four year deal (highly unlikely for mine), but we probably lose any leverage because he asked out last year and we may need to move him for Jackson

- Logue: Pick 14-18, about where I'd have his value, feels like a Family Guy situation - a boat's a boat, but a mystery box could be anything, maybe even a boat which I've always wanted!
 
ubiquitous226 said:
I actually don't think he was that much of a flog in this one;

- Jackson: Two first round picks, "In an ideal world Melbourne would want two picks inside 10", he's not actually suggested that will happen or he's worth it, he's more pointed to the R1 + F1 from us may not be quite equitable, with the implication it might still be what happens

- Lobb: Second rounder - I take umbrage with this considering he's a contracted KPF, Bulldogs pick will be ~30 at best and Ralph has also suggested a four year deal (highly unlikely for mine), but we probably lose any leverage because he asked out last year and we may need to move him for Jackson

- Logue: Pick 14-18, about where I'd have his value, feels like a Family Guy situation - a boat's a boat, but a mystery box could be anything, maybe even a boat which I've always wanted!
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I typed out a bigger response above that addresses my problems with it, it's the language and terminology rather than values
 

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Snuffaluphagus said:
I typed out a bigger response above that addresses my problems with it, it's the language and terminology rather than values
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Yeah I saw it after I posted, and I actually agree with what you wrote, in particular the Hayden Young reference and the Dusty valuation.

I guess I didn't get too triggered by the approximate values, I ignored the hubris around them haha.
 
Record v top 8 teams

www.afl.com.au

Why Pies might be legit: Your club's record against the top eight

The Magpies have their doubters, but they have a good record against current top-eight sides
www.afl.com.au www.afl.com.au

Takeaways:

  • Out of the current top 8, Freo have played more games against fellow top 8 sides than any other team*
  • Out of the whole competition, we have won 5 and lost 5 (with our only other loss being Gold Coast); no other team has won more than 4
  • We don't play any more top 8 sides
  • Out of the current top, no side has played more than 8 games (St Kilda) against fellow members, meaning we have played 2 more than any other current top 8 team (Carlton, Sydney, Brisbane & Collingwood on 6, Dees & Geelong on 7) so we have much more experience than any other team by at least 2 games

*Bulldogs, Adelaide & Port have played 10; Dons and GWS 11

tl;dr we have both won more and played more against current top 8 teams than any other current top 8 team
 
im_a_lazy_sod said:
Record v top 8 teams

www.afl.com.au

Why Pies might be legit: Your club's record against the top eight

The Magpies have their doubters, but they have a good record against current top-eight sides
www.afl.com.au www.afl.com.au

Takeaways:

  • Out of the current top 8, Freo have played more games against fellow top 8 sides than any other team*
  • Out of the whole competition, we have won 5 and lost 5 (with our only other loss being Gold Coast); no other team has won more than 4
  • We don't play any more top 8 sides
  • Out of the current top, no side has played more than 8 games (St Kilda) against fellow members, meaning we have played 2 more than any other current top 8 team (Carlton, Sydney, Collingwood on 6, Dees & Geelong on 7) so we have much more experience than any other team by at least 2 games

*Bulldogs, Adelaide & Port have played 10; Dons and GWS 11
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We'll be in really good stead for next year. Normally teams that shoot into the 8 do so because they get an easier draw, our draw has been as hard as anyones so even though it's supposed to be harder next year, it shouldnt be
 
Meh. The media are really milking the Jackson thing for clicks. I love how one line from Max Gawn becomes a full page news piece.
 
im_a_lazy_sod said:
Record v top 8 teams

www.afl.com.au

Why Pies might be legit: Your club's record against the top eight

The Magpies have their doubters, but they have a good record against current top-eight sides
www.afl.com.au www.afl.com.au

Takeaways:

  • Out of the current top 8, Freo have played more games against fellow top 8 sides than any other team*
  • Out of the whole competition, we have won 5 and lost 5 (with our only other loss being Gold Coast); no other team has won more than 4
  • We don't play any more top 8 sides
  • Out of the current top, no side has played more than 8 games (St Kilda) against fellow members, meaning we have played 2 more than any other current top 8 team (Carlton, Sydney, Brisbane & Collingwood on 6, Dees & Geelong on 7) so we have much more experience than any other team by at least 2 games

*Bulldogs, Adelaide & Port have played 10; Dons and GWS 11

tl;dr we have both won more and played more against current top 8 teams than any other current top 8 team
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These stupid articles make the pies inevitable complete smashing in week 1 or 2 (depending on where they finish) all the more amusing.
 
Snuffaluphagus said:
We'll be in really good stead for next year. Normally teams that shoot into the 8 do so because they get an easier draw, our draw has been as hard as anyones so even though it's supposed to be harder next year, it shouldnt be
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It's the fact that gets me over my 2022 myopia of bad games is just how critical this experience is. I'd argue (purely subjectively) that outside of Melbourne and perhaps Geelong earlier this season that we got the absolute best of each side with everything to play for.

Contrast that to Brisbane who had the softest draw and greatest injury ride in the history of the game when they broke out in 2019 and then a few seasons of Covid-based increased home games that helped prevent their "return to the mean" years and I think it should hold us in better stead than them in their finals campaigns.

The only part I have concern over is just how competitive our era will be as it seems we're rising with a larger peloton of clubs who could be very competitive for a long time.
 

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Last season we landed for our double up games:
Top 6: #1 Melbourne
Middle 6: #7 GWS, #9 WCE, #10 St Kilda
Bottom 6: #13 Carlton

That's every top ranked side in each group, plus our usual West Coast and the extra against the side in our own group.

Next season we I don't expect the extra game against a bottom six side, we will get WC but that's it.

On the same pattern:
Top 6: #1 Geelong, #5 Brisbane
Middle 6: #7 Carlton
Bottom 6: #17 WC

Our fixture then has one extra, if it's a top six side it's harder, if it's a middle six side less so, if we do get a second bottom six side it's easier.
 
Snuffaluphagus said:
We'll be in really good stead for next year. Normally teams that shoot into the 8 do so because they get an easier draw, our draw has been as hard as anyones so even though it's supposed to be harder next year, it shouldnt be
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2 games against West Coast helps.

We also lucked in getting GWS twice on a down year.

Next year no one knows I suspect.

Collingwood will be brought back they have lucked in this year wouldn't surprise me they come back a bit.

Brisbane are fading
Geelong have to fall away eventually I reckon once Hawkins form dips so will Geelong.

So that's 3 teams above us I reckon we can catch next year with our growth and trajectory.
 
God docker said:
Good job from the purple reign boys with today's podcast. Highlights how we are just in front of north Melbourne for goal kicking (equal 16th), highlights how pav and lesser extent modra only decent key forwards we've EVER had! I'm with them in Sturt. Just play him FFS!!!
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s_wd6 said:
wow. what an insightful analysis. must've been a lot of thought and time that went into reaching that conclusion. definitely not something a casual supporter could tell you at all.
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i'm not going to stand for kepler erasure on this board.
 
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s_wd6 said:
never saw the guy play
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