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WA vs SA U19 Championship Game 1

Just a quick half time update with a full wrap to follow at full time.

South Australia have been really poor all over the ground. Midfield getting smashed, forward line structuring up really poorly and use out of defence has been ordinary (although credit to WA's pressure).

Tunstill and Johnson been the highlights through the midfield for WA with Sheldrick and Dittmar super solid. Bazzo has been really impressive and has done a good job of intercepting and using the ball out of defence. Jye Amiss showing pretty much everything you want to see in a forward. He's been super quick on the lead with really clean hands, taken a nice contested mark on the wing and then kicked a great goal from the boundary. He couldn't possibly have shown anything more in a half of footy.

Not many South Australian's who look overly comfortable out there. Horne-Francis has got his hands on it a little and used it effectively but not been overly damaging. Had a nice moment overhead in the first but you'd like to see more. Roberts had a better second quarter but still not had a massive influence. Liddy looks like one of the best through the midfield. He tackles strongly and is winning his fair share of it both on the inside and outside. Morgan Ferres has worked tirelessly across half forward and looks the only avenue to goal at this stage. Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera has just been pure class. If SA can get the ball in his hands more often then good things will happen.

SA must structure up better inside 50 and create some more space for the forwards to lead into. Use inside forward 50 must improve. If WA can maintain the same level of pressure at the contest and inside their forward half then they are going to be really tough to chase down. A pretty quality performance from them in the first half.
 
briztoon said:
How much of WA’s tall defenders looking good was a result of poor balls from SA’s midfielders and SA lacking decent KPP’s.
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I think it was a pretty significant contributing factor. SA's forward line is below standard and the use inside 50 didn't do them any favours. There were a few times in the last quarter when SA got the ball in fast and deep and Draper and Horne-Francis were able to take advantage but that was nowhere near often enough. Bazzo in particular played with absolute confidence that his opponent wasn't going to hurt him and the WA midfield applied sufficient pressure to ensure that the ball coming in wasn't dangerous. Defensive units at AFL level are still mostly dependent on pressure up the field to stop and intercept, so to see the likes of Bazzo and JVR play the way they did is exciting, but the context is still important and the reality is SA's midfield and forward half were way below standard. It would've been great to be able to judge WA's defenders against the Vic kids but it doesn't look like we're going to see that.
 
WA vs SA Full Time Wrap

WA run out comfortable 29 point winners, though the scoreline I felt flattered SA a touch as it felt like WA had put the cue in the rack in the last quarter. WA were dominant in the middle of the ground with Jake South having an influence in the ruck and the mids outplaying SA through there by a long way. WA moved the ball around the ground at a really high level and consistently pressured SA in all parts of the ground, entirely stunting their ball movement. It was a really disappointing showing from SA with individuals not necessarily living up to the hype and then collectively being poor in almost all facets.

WA Notes

Matthew Johnson
I thought Johnson was class early, winning his fair share of the footy through the midfield and using it at a really high level. He's really strong overhead and has pretty much all bases covered as a midfielder. He seemed to put the cue in the rack a touch in the second half when the game was done but I saw enough to validate him in my mind. A touch of improvement on his inside craft and more consistent production will really help him elevate to another level. I think his ceiling is probably that second or third midfielder at AFL level but I think he's capable of being one of the better players in that position.

Rhett Bazzo
Bazzo patrolled around the back half with a great deal of confidence and intercepted almost everything that came to him. I eluded to it a bit above but SA's forward half group combined with the supply inside forward 50 didn't make it overly difficult for him but it was still great to see him dominate the way he did. His ball use was exceptional out of defence and overall it was a really complete game from him. I had my doubts about whether the AFL traits were there but despite the opposition, today's performance gives me a little more confidence that there is enough to work with. I think this performance probably pushes him firmly into that second or third round.

James Tunstill
Tunstill was really good through the midfield early when the game was there to be won. He was great at stoppage, winning the ball on the inside and then having an impact when he used it by hand and foot. He had a quieter second half I felt but did enough to prove he was up to the level. His draft relevance will be a bit difficult to determine but I suspect he's probably a late/rookie chance at best at this stage.

Jye Amiss
As I mentioned previously, he showed everything in that first half and left nothing to be desired from a talent/ability perspective. His second half was quieter but it was going to take something special to top that first half. He's great on the lead, strong overhead, has really good hands and is more than capable when the ball hits the deck. He doesn't need much of a look at it to turn a game. I've mentioned Bayley Fritsch as a stylistic comparison and still feel that is relevant. He is one that I'm really, really curious to see how AFL recruiters rate. His talent is undeniable now but I'm curious to see what selection clubs will be willing to part with to get a second or third key forward, which is what I project him to become.

Jacob Van Rooyen
Van Rooyen played in defence and was super solid. He looked to defend first early but played his way into the game and started to intercept more as the game went on. Whilst he's more than capable in defence I've preferred him at CHF where he has the opportunity to push up the ground, work over his opponent and then operate as a threat inside forward 50. There wasn't a lot that I saw today that I thought might dramatically change or improve his draft position. I believe he remains somewhere in that second-third round.

Taj Woewodin
Woewodin was just super solid today and that pretty much sums him up as a player. He's pretty good at everything and not especially outstanding at anything. He won a reasonable amount of the footy and consistently hit targets. I think he has what it takes to carve out a role across half back or on the wing at AFL level and will present some value as a late draft/rookie selection for Melbourne.

Jack Williams
Williams was another who didn't really do a great deal to change my opinion on his draft position. He lacks a bit of athleticism but is a pretty solid footballer. He's got good hands, he uses it well for his size and offers a bit of support as a second ruck. He fits in the second half of the draft for me and I think he'll be at a similar level to Lewis Young (ability/talent, not necessarily style).

Jesse Motlop
Motlop kicked a nice goal early and had a few moments in the first half but it wasn't an afternoon of high production for him. He has some tricks but I'm yet to see a performance from him that convinces me he's a lock to be inside the top 40. I think he probably fits somewhere in that 30-50 range at this point so I don't think Fremantle are completely in the clear yet but I personally don't think he presents the value inside the first 40 picks.

Ethan Regan
I was really impressed with Regan today and loved what he offered as a high half forward. He competes in the air like a key forward and his follow up work on the ground combined with his forward pressure is as good as any small forward in this draft. I'd be pretty confident in saying that he'll be at West Coast next year but I'm really curious to see how he fits into this draft because although still raw, there are some exciting tools there.

Angus Sheldrick, Josh Browne and Kade Dittmar were impressive today and completely outplayed their South Australian midfield counterparts. None of the three fit inside the national draft for me, although Browne and Sheldrick in particular may have suitors in the late/rookie region.
 

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briztoon said:
ModernArtillery do you think Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera has the capacity to play more through the midfield or off of half back?
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Right now, I don't think so. He's exclusively outside leaning at this stage and I think he's more suited to a wing role because of that. I haven't really seen him show anything to suggest that he's physically up to playing in or around the contest and whilst you might be able to hide him a little defensively across half back, I still think he's better suited on the wing/half forward at the next level. His physical development is so key to him taking that next step though because I think that will allow him to find more of the footy and with the way he uses it, that could really unlock him.
 
SA Notes

Jason Horne-Francis
Horne-Francis definitely didn't reach the heights through the midfield that we were hoping but still showed glimpses of the talent we know he has. He used it pretty carefully when he won the footy around the ground but his possessions, albeit a few, weren't overly damaging, although in each case I felt he made the right decision, hitting up a shorter target rather than blazing away. He went to full forward in the last quarter and we got a little glimpse of his potential when left to operate deep one on one, drawing a free kick with his mere presence and setting up another for a teammate. I'm still comfortable with him at the top of my board but I would've loved a more influential performance.

Mani Liddy
I think Liddy was the most consistent midfielder throughout the day and was a presence at stoppage with his contested ball winning and tackling all day. He accumulated a bit of the footy around the ground and typically made good decisions by foot. Liddy lacks a touch of pace and athleticism which I think limits his scope as an AFL footballer.

Zac Becker
Becker was up against it early on Amiss and was under pressure all day as a key pillar in SA's undersized defence. There weren't a lot of options for him out of defence so he really didn't get the opportunity to create out of defence like he can. He's a bit undersized for a key defender and is probably better suited to that medium type. I like his attacking weapons with the footy but think he probably sits outside the draft at this point.

Blayne O'Loughlin
It felt like a bit of a wake up call for some of the SA prospects who have cruised around getting their numbers at SANFL U18 level and I felt O'Loughlin was one of them. He was pretty badly exposed defensively at times where his physical stature prevents him from having an influence defensively. The primary kick out duties were (understandably) handed to Becker and so his opportunities to influence the game offensively were limited. When he did get the opportunity he made some uncharacteristic errors which turned a bad day worse. I'm really not sure what the pathway to success at AFL level looks like for O'Loughlin but I feel pretty confident it's not in defence. I'd like to see him switched forward to see if he can carve out a role there with his skill and class. At this stage I don't think he's at the level to earn a list spot.

Oscar Adams
I'm actually a fan of Adams and think he has some raw tools to work with as that long, thin key defender who can spoil, intercept and then plays within his limitations offensively. The blueprint is Harris Andrews and whilst Adams is a long, long way off that, I think he's an interesting project player. Ultimately I think there are others in this draft that are quite a fair way ahead of him and there are probably better options out of the State Leagues which will likely mean he'll have to develop more through the SANFL competition.

Hugh Jackson
Jackson has not been at his best the last month or so and I felt he struggled to adjust to the level early. As the intensity of the game dropped off in the second half he started to come into a bit more but still struggled to have a real influence. It was a disappointing performance for someone who I've really enjoyed watching in the SANFL U18 competition this year. Whilst today's game didn't impact my draft board too much, Jackson is one who will slide a touch on the back of his performance.

Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera
Wanganeen-Milera was one of very few SA kids who looked comfortable at the level. He created time and space for himself and was able to hit targets consistently by foot. I mentioned in a previous comment that he needs to develop a bit physically which will allow him to hopefully increase his production because he's so good by foot. I think that there are a lot of similarities to Brad Hill and feel that there is an opportunity for him to solidify a position on the wing for a club for a long time.

Arlo Draper
It wasn't Draper's best performance but there were still moments that were impressive. He's a threat inside forward 50 and has the odd touch inside the contest that really stands out. His midfield craft has some way to go and I think he definitely starts his career as a forward but the tools are there and if he can put it all together he can be a pretty special player. I couldn't have him inside the top 10 at this stage but somewhere in the teens to early second round I would be more comfortable with.

Matthew Roberts
Roberts was another who played his way into the game and started to find a bit more of the footy in the second quarter. His pace and agility around the footy is still a bit of a concern for me and he didn't have the level of impact I would've liked to have seen from him by foot. Admittedly some of that may have come because SA were a bit of a rabble ahead of the ball but I don't think he necessarily handled the pressure as well as I would've liked. He did kick a really nice goal from a set shot which never looked in doubt but that was one of few highlights. The back end of the first round is seeming more likely for him as more athletic prospects rise.

Lewis Rayson
Rayson was probably one of SA's better players and had some moments off half back. He's another that didn't have the impact he is capable of by foot but again, some of that may have been due to the options up the field. Rayson had some nice intercept moments and I felt like he was relatively consistent across all four quarters. I'm struggling to place Rayson in terms of draft position but he currently sits outside my top 40. I would've loved to see him in more Champs games to really get an idea of how he stacks up against others in this pool.

Morgan Ferres
Ferres was one of SA's best and consistently presented at CHF. He managed to find a reasonable amount of the footy, particularly through the first half and was awkward, but safe by foot. He seemed pretty comfortable at the level and certainly looked like he belonged. Ferres is another tough one to place in this pool as I'm not yet certain of the fit at AFL level.

Jase Burgoyne
Burgoyne is another tough one to place in this years crop. He doesn't have top end pace, he's very slight and the lack of penetration on his kick limits the damage he can do by foot. He's a good footballer and a good decision maker but I just wonder whether the standout AFL traits are there. Regardless of my view, he'll be on Port's list next year so he will get an opportunity at the level.

Isaiah Dudley
It was an ordinary day to be a small forward for South Australia today and Dudley saw very few opportunities. He did get a run through the midfield in the last quarter but it was always going to be tough for him through there against the bigger, stronger bodies of Browne, Dittmar, Johnson and Sheldrick. Dudley is a super crafty footballer and definitely has some tricks that make him exciting to watch when he has the ball. Unfortunately as he rises to the next level his physical limitations are going to be huge hurdles to climb. He's not overly quite so his lack of size and strength are going to be real challenges at AFL level. I do struggle to see a pathway for him at AFL level but he's one that could find an opportunity on the Crows list outside of the national draft.

There were very few contributors across the field for SA. I felt Cade Kennedy was one of the few mids who adjusted well to the level and felt he had moments early. Jordan Lukac is raw but has some interesting athletic attributes and I felt Cooper Beecken and Max Litster were solid in defence. I think leaving out Shay Linke proved to be the wrong decision in hindsight and felt he would've been better positioned to have an influence over Isaac Birt or Jacob Owens.
 
ModernArtillery said:
WA vs SA Full Time Wrap

WA run out comfortable 29 point winners, though the scoreline I felt flattered SA a touch as it felt like WA had put the cue in the rack in the last quarter. WA were dominant in the middle of the ground with Jake South having an influence in the ruck and the mids outplaying SA through there by a long way. WA moved the ball around the ground at a really high level and consistently pressured SA in all parts of the ground, entirely stunting their ball movement. It was a really disappointing showing from SA with individuals not necessarily living up to the hype and then collectively being poor in almost all facets.

WA Notes

Matthew Johnson
I thought Johnson was class early, winning his fair share of the footy through the midfield and using it at a really high level. He's really strong overhead and has pretty much all bases covered as a midfielder. He seemed to put the cue in the rack a touch in the second half when the game was done but I saw enough to validate him in my mind. A touch of improvement on his inside craft and more consistent production will really help him elevate to another level. I think his ceiling is probably that second or third midfielder at AFL level but I think he's capable of being one of the better players in that position.

Rhett Bazzo
Bazzo patrolled around the back half with a great deal of confidence and intercepted almost everything that came to him. I eluded to it a bit above but SA's forward half group combined with the supply inside forward 50 didn't make it overly difficult for him but it was still great to see him dominate the way he did. His ball use was exceptional out of defence and overall it was a really complete game from him. I had my doubts about whether the AFL traits were there but despite the opposition, today's performance gives me a little more confidence that there is enough to work with. I think this performance probably pushes him firmly into that second or third round.

James Tunstill
Tunstill was really good through the midfield early when the game was there to be won. He was great at stoppage, winning the ball on the inside and then having an impact when he used it by hand and foot. He had a quieter second half I felt but did enough to prove he was up to the level. His draft relevance will be a bit difficult to determine but I suspect he's probably a late/rookie chance at best at this stage.

Jye Amiss
As I mentioned previously, he showed everything in that first half and left nothing to be desired from a talent/ability perspective. His second half was quieter but it was going to take something special to top that first half. He's great on the lead, strong overhead, has really good hands and is more than capable when the ball hits the deck. He doesn't need much of a look at it to turn a game. I've mentioned Bayley Fritsch as a stylistic comparison and still feel that is relevant. He is one that I'm really, really curious to see how AFL recruiters rate. His talent is undeniable now but I'm curious to see what selection clubs will be willing to part with to get a second or third key forward, which is what I project him to become.

Jacob Van Rooyen
Van Rooyen played in defence and was super solid. He looked to defend first early but played his way into the game and started to intercept more as the game went on. Whilst he's more than capable in defence I've preferred him at CHF where he has the opportunity to push up the ground, work over his opponent and then operate as a threat inside forward 50. There wasn't a lot that I saw today that I thought might dramatically change or improve his draft position. I believe he remains somewhere in that second-third round.

Taj Woewodin
Woewodin was just super solid today and that pretty much sums him up as a player. He's pretty good at everything and not especially outstanding at anything. He won a reasonable amount of the footy and consistently hit targets. I think he has what it takes to carve out a role across half back or on the wing at AFL level and will present some value as a late draft/rookie selection for Melbourne.

Jack Williams
Williams was another who didn't really do a great deal to change my opinion on his draft position. He lacks a bit of athleticism but is a pretty solid footballer. He's got good hands, he uses it well for his size and offers a bit of support as a second ruck. He fits in the second half of the draft for me and I think he'll be at a similar level to Lewis Young (ability/talent, not necessarily style).

Jesse Motlop
Motlop kicked a nice goal early and had a few moments in the first half but it wasn't an afternoon of high production for him. He has some tricks but I'm yet to see a performance from him that convinces me he's a lock to be inside the top 40. I think he probably fits somewhere in that 30-50 range at this point so I don't think Fremantle are completely in the clear yet but I personally don't think he presents the value inside the first 40 picks.

Ethan Regan
I was really impressed with Regan today and loved what he offered as a high half forward. He competes in the air like a key forward and his follow up work on the ground combined with his forward pressure is as good as any small forward in this draft. I'd be pretty confident in saying that he'll be at West Coast next year but I'm really curious to see how he fits into this draft because although still raw, there are some exciting tools there.

Angus Sheldrick, Josh Browne and Kade Dittmar were impressive today and completely outplayed their South Australian midfield counterparts. None of the three fit inside the national draft for me, although Browne and Sheldrick in particular may have suitors in the late/rookie region.
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What about browne,sheldrick and Dittmar dont you like?

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mattyc75 said:
What about browne,sheldrick and Dittmar dont you like?

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It's not so much about not liking them because they are all certainly talented. I love their toughness and the way they crack into the contest. Their work-rate to get to repeat stoppages is impressive too. I just have a few question marks over how their games translate to the next level. In particular, how much physical development do they have left? Can they find a second position, and if not, are they good enough midfielders to command a midfield spot at AFL level? Can they improve their disposal and increase the impact of their possessions, particularly by foot?

The first two questions are pretty hard to answer because that's based solely on where you project them, and people's opinions can differ on this greatly. The last question I think is one I'd give the benefit of the doubt, although I typically prefer those who have demonstrated that impact per possession through their junior career.

It's also worth noting that these comments are at a point in time. There is more footy to be played and some of those questions could still be answered for me over the coming weeks.
 
ModernArtillery said:
It's not so much about not liking them because they are all certainly talented. I love their toughness and the way they crack into the contest. Their work-rate to get to repeat stoppages is impressive too. I just have a few question marks over how their games translate to the next level. In particular, how much physical development do they have left? Can they find a second position, and if not, are they good enough midfielders to command a midfield spot at AFL level? Can they improve their disposal and increase the impact of their possessions, particularly by foot?

The first two questions are pretty hard to answer because that's based solely on where you project them, and people's opinions can differ on this greatly. The last question I think is one I'd give the benefit of the doubt, although I typically prefer those who have demonstrated that impact per possession through their junior career.

It's also worth noting that these comments are at a point in time. There is more footy to be played and some of those questions could still be answered for me over the coming weeks.
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Thanks, i know some wafl watchers on the eagles page are quite high on all 3 of them so it'll be interesting to see what happens

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ModernArtillery said:
It's not so much about not liking them because they are all certainly talented. I love their toughness and the way they crack into the contest. Their work-rate to get to repeat stoppages is impressive too. I just have a few question marks over how their games translate to the next level. In particular, how much physical development do they have left? Can they find a second position, and if not, are they good enough midfielders to command a midfield spot at AFL level? Can they improve their disposal and increase the impact of their possessions, particularly by foot?

The first two questions are pretty hard to answer because that's based solely on where you project them, and people's opinions can differ on this greatly. The last question I think is one I'd give the benefit of the doubt, although I typically prefer those who have demonstrated that impact per possession through their junior career.

It's also worth noting that these comments are at a point in time. There is more footy to be played and some of those questions could still be answered for me over the coming weeks.
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Yes for mine it is that some players can have really strong performances at this level but that kind of "strength" at this level just isn't going to translate at an AFL level because of different structures and different profiles of players at that level, whilst others can be only be reasonable at this level but it is clear that what they do well will translate in full to the next levels. It is unfortunate but it happens.
 
mattyc75 said:
What about browne,sheldrick and Dittmar dont you like?

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from my PoV

Browne has a lot of development left in his body, he has a great attitude and is a hard worker which is important for inside mids, he can also develop an outside midfield game from what ive seen at wafl colts and this game, ive liked what ive seen of him over the last 2 years

Dittmar is already a big lad, but he also works hard on attack and defence and i was very impressed with how he physically cracked in the contest, contested footy is a good indicator of success at the top level so i think he has a bit of value and has pushed up a bit in terms of my ratings, he also has a second position as a forward so i think he is being under valued a little.

Sheldrick i like his effort, but i have seen dozens of these types miss getting drafted over the last few years and so even though i like him as a footballer, im not sure an AFL club will draft him?
 
Jye Amiss
I've done a bit more work on Jye Amiss the last few days after it seems he's firmly established himself as genuine first round pick (maybe even top 10). In my earlier notes, which have come off the back of some of his Colts and WA rep games, I felt stylistically he was comparable to Bayley Fritsch. I like Amiss and felt pretty comfortable that he was a best 22 standard player should he land in the right team/system etc. I was a little concerned about what the ceiling looked like for him and how high it might be.

I've gone through some more vision and even re-watched some of the old stuff I had already seen and wonder if that ceiling is somewhere near Jeremy Cameron. Obviously that's a pretty big call given that Cameron has been one of the best KPF's in the last 8 or so but I think there are actually a lot of similarities in their size and skill sets. Physically they're a good height for a KPF at 196cm, though have a slighter, skinnier frame. Both are quick on the lead and take the ball with really clean hands out in front. Neither are overly dominant contested marks but both are capable of taking a grab in a pack, though the volume is not particularly high. Both have the athleticism to win the ground ball and kick goals around their body or on the run and neither need a great deal of the footy to have an influence on the game.

I want to be clear, I'm not saying Amiss will definitely be Jeremy Cameron, I'm just seeing some similar characteristics that suggest to me that he might be able to influence the game in a similar way at AFL level.

The challenge I'm having is if his ceiling is as high as something in the vicinity of Jeremy Cameron then I also feel like the floor is around that Fritsch level and the difference between that floor and ceiling is pretty significant in terms of where I'd like to draft them. Ultimately, I do feel more optimistic about the upside of Amiss now but I'm still a little unsure where he fits on my draft board, which I'll finishing updating and share again soon.
 

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ModernArtillery said:
Jye Amiss
I've done a bit more work on Jye Amiss the last few days after it seems he's firmly established himself as genuine first round pick (maybe even top 10). In my earlier notes, which have come off the back of some of his Colts and WA rep games, I felt stylistically he was comparable to Bayley Fritsch. I like Amiss and felt pretty comfortable that he was a best 22 standard player should he land in the right team/system etc. I was a little concerned about what the ceiling looked like for him and how high it might be.

I've gone through some more vision and even re-watched some of the old stuff I had already seen and wonder if that ceiling is somewhere near Jeremy Cameron. Obviously that's a pretty big call given that Cameron has been one of the best KPF's in the last 8 or so but I think there are actually a lot of similarities in their size and skill sets. Physically they're a good height for a KPF at 196cm, though have a slighter, skinnier frame. Both are quick on the lead and take the ball with really clean hands out in front. Neither are overly dominant contested marks but both are capable of taking a grab in a pack, though the volume is not particularly high. Both have the athleticism to win the ground ball and kick goals around their body or on the run and neither need a great deal of the footy to have an influence on the game.

I want to be clear, I'm not saying Amiss will definitely be Jeremy Cameron, I'm just seeing some similar characteristics that suggest to me that he might be able to influence the game in a similar way at AFL level.

The challenge I'm having is if his ceiling is as high as something in the vicinity of Jeremy Cameron then I also feel like the floor is around that Fritsch level and the difference between that floor and ceiling is pretty significant in terms of where I'd like to draft them. Ultimately, I do feel more optimistic about the upside of Amiss now but I'm still a little unsure where he fits on my draft board, which I'll finishing updating and share again soon.
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Sounds like you've described Jack Gunston. Would that also be a fair comparison?
 
Blackhawk42 said:
Sounds like you've described Jack Gunston. Would that also be a fair comparison?
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I think Gunston was probably more effective up the ground than I would project Amiss to be. Whilst Gunston was capable of being really productive as a high half forward as well as inside forward 50, I suspect the majority of Amiss' production will be inside forward 50. I can certainly see the similarities you've drawn between the two from that description though, especially physically.
 
ModernArtillery said:
Jye Amiss
I've done a bit more work on Jye Amiss the last few days after it seems he's firmly established himself as genuine first round pick (maybe even top 10). In my earlier notes, which have come off the back of some of his Colts and WA rep games, I felt stylistically he was comparable to Bayley Fritsch. I like Amiss and felt pretty comfortable that he was a best 22 standard player should he land in the right team/system etc. I was a little concerned about what the ceiling looked like for him and how high it might be.

I've gone through some more vision and even re-watched some of the old stuff I had already seen and wonder if that ceiling is somewhere near Jeremy Cameron. Obviously that's a pretty big call given that Cameron has been one of the best KPF's in the last 8 or so but I think there are actually a lot of similarities in their size and skill sets. Physically they're a good height for a KPF at 196cm, though have a slighter, skinnier frame. Both are quick on the lead and take the ball with really clean hands out in front. Neither are overly dominant contested marks but both are capable of taking a grab in a pack, though the volume is not particularly high. Both have the athleticism to win the ground ball and kick goals around their body or on the run and neither need a great deal of the footy to have an influence on the game.

I want to be clear, I'm not saying Amiss will definitely be Jeremy Cameron, I'm just seeing some similar characteristics that suggest to me that he might be able to influence the game in a similar way at AFL level.

The challenge I'm having is if his ceiling is as high as something in the vicinity of Jeremy Cameron then I also feel like the floor is around that Fritsch level and the difference between that floor and ceiling is pretty significant in terms of where I'd like to draft them. Ultimately, I do feel more optimistic about the upside of Amiss now but I'm still a little unsure where he fits on my draft board, which I'll finishing updating and share again soon.
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Terrific write up…it is hard to pinpoint how he will go, Jye shows enough to tease that he could really be something.
But there is enough to show that there is a but.
 
What are your thoughts on his injury history?
I thought i read he has been injured quite a bit leading to missing out on state teams etc.
 
mayne iac said:
What are your thoughts on his injury history?
I thought i read he has been injured quite a bit leading to missing out on state teams etc.
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Yeah, you're right, he had a hamstring injury and then a back injury that forced him to miss out on the 15's and 16's carnivals was my understanding. It's not really a concern for me to be honest. He's healthy now and the injuries don't appear to have hampered his speed or athleticism. If there were any underlying issues that lead to the injuries I think getting into the AFL system will help give him the best chance to correct those. Ultimately it's not a concern for me.
 

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ModernArtillery said:
Yeah, you're right, he had a hamstring injury and then a back injury that forced him to miss out on the 15's and 16's carnivals was my understanding. It's not really a concern for me to be honest. He's healthy now and the injuries don't appear to have hampered his speed or athleticism. If there were any underlying issues that lead to the injuries I think getting into the AFL system will help give him the best chance to correct those. Ultimately it's not a concern for me.
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Interested in your views re Cooper Murley vs Judson Clarke for Adelaide, I find it very hard to split them maybe Murley factoring in the local product. I think it's an area of need for the Crows.
 
Mutineer said:
Interested in your views re Cooper Murley vs Judson Clarke for Adelaide, I find it very hard to split them maybe Murley factoring in the local product. I think it's an area of need for the Crows.
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I completely agree that it's an area of need for the Crows and similarly find it difficult to split the two. I think Murley's midfield craft and overall talent is ahead of Clarke but I have more confidence that Clarke will find a role at AFL level and that his body, his pressure inside forward 50 and finishing inside 50 will translate to the level. Murley probably has the higher ceiling but I think he starts as a high half forward which is a tough role to develop in and I think there's a steeper learning curve for him to settle at the level. I don't really have a strong opinion on who I'd prefer Adelaide to take because a large contributing factor will be which pick I'd have to use to get them (I wouldn't necessarily like to use a selection inside the first 30 for either) but if I had to lean one way I'd probably lean towards Clarke purely based on the fact that I think he's more of a sure thing to find a role at AFL level.
 
Hey mate appreciate the work you're putting in, what are your thoughts on Cooper Beecken? Personally think he's shown some traits that if he puts it all together he could be quite a good player across half-back, reminds me a little bit of Will Day.
 
ModernArtillery said:
I completely agree that it's an area of need for the Crows and similarly find it difficult to split the two. I think Murley's midfield craft and overall talent is ahead of Clarke but I have more confidence that Clarke will find a role at AFL level and that his body, his pressure inside forward 50 and finishing inside 50 will translate to the level. Murley probably has the higher ceiling but I think he starts as a high half forward which is a tough role to develop in and I think there's a steeper learning curve for him to settle at the level. I don't really have a strong opinion on who I'd prefer Adelaide to take because a large contributing factor will be which pick I'd have to use to get them (I wouldn't necessarily like to use a selection inside the first 30 for either) but if I had to lean one way I'd probably lean towards Clarke purely based on the fact that I think he's more of a sure thing to find a role at AFL level.
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Thanks for that I'm leaning a bit the other way with 2 factors getting Murley over the line, local product the biggy and a touch extra pace to my eye?
 
DaKids said:
MA - some wonderful write ups here and I value very highly.

How are you seeing Morgan Ferres ?
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Ferres is well above the level in the SANFL U18's competition and was one of the few South Australian's that looked comfortable in the Champs game against WA last weekend. I've been really impressed with his footy IQ as he consistently leads into space to make himself dangerous and give his teammates a target. He has really good hands and reads the flight of the ball really well. He's a bit of an awkward user and that limits the speed in which he can move the ball, making him less damaging at times by foot. He's undersized for a key forward but his strength on the lead and athleticism will make up for some of that. Tim Membrey, Brody Mihocek, Jake Waterman and Mitch Hannan have been given opportunities at the level with varying degrees of success so I don't think you can put a line through him just because of that. Those types are quite rare though so there probably isn't a lot of margin for error for him. His skillset could translate into a role in defence too so that could be another string to his bow. I think he's talented enough to find his way onto a list but fit and opportunity will be key, for him in particular, to find success at AFL level.


mattsmob said:
Hey mate appreciate the work you're putting in, what are your thoughts on Cooper Beecken? Personally think he's shown some traits that if he puts it all together he could be quite a good player across half-back, reminds me a little bit of Will Day.
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It's interesting, I went back and watched some footage of Will Day in his draft year on the back of your comment and you're right! There's some similarities in their movement, the way they intercept the footy and they're overall athletisicm. Day's football I think was a bit more advanced than what Beecken's is, in particular his ability to turn defence into attack and be damaging by foot. I share your opinion that Beecken has certainly shown some traits but just hasn't quite put it together yet. I don't think he's quite done enough yet to get a look in the national draft but I wouldn't rule out a rookie selection. Another hit out against WA later in the year would be crucial for someone like Beecken because if he can just show that little bit more offensively on that kind of stage then that could really work in his favour.


Mutineer said:
Thanks for that I'm leaning a bit the other way with 2 factors getting Murley over the line, local product the biggy and a touch extra pace to my eye?
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I'm not sure whether last year was a concerted effort to select the local talent or whether those guys were genuinely favoured at those positions but it did seem like the Crows made an effort to target the SA kids. So I think that's pretty sound reasoning. I don't think the gap between them would be overly significant, though I think Clarke is more physically developed so that combined with similar speed might help him get more separation at AFL level. It's definitely marginal though.
 
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