Mojo's Moronic Draft Thread

[missionpossible]

Neither did I Missionpossible and we could have nominated Mojo31 for your phantom draft and he would have done as good a job as 79V.

Missionpossible, If Hurn, Dowler, Ryder and Kennedy were all available at four, who would you pick based on footballing talent?

Based on football talent that is a great question, As far as Talent goes I think Hurn and Dowler are a mile ahead of Ryder and Kennedy. Well that was easy to narrow it down to 2 and now comes the hard part. Hurn is a hard one for me as he mainly played bit roles with centrals and basically played down back in the carnival. In the first quarter of the SA v WA game he stood Kennedy and Kennedy didn't get near it but then hurn didn't take games by the scruff of the neck either.
Hurn is the one most likely to play 200 games but then Dowler if he makes it is more likely to be a star of the game and there isn't to many of those in this draft.
On talent I would take dowler.
On needs well from where I sit carltons forward line isn't the problem as when your midfield goes ok you kick a reasonable score just the midfield doesn't go well enough often enough or the backlines just conceed to much so on those grounds I would pick hurn and try and get a CHB with pick 20.

 

[Silvagnis]

I hope you're right MP and Hurn and Bower falls to Carlton but I'm not holding out hope since getting Murphy probably used up all our luck.

I think we'll get one of a real gun in Thorp or Hansen next year.

 

[mojo31]

I have changed my order a little bit after talking to some people over the weekend and looking through the full draft camp results and some other club information.

1) Murphy
2) Hurn
3) Ryder
4) Dowler
5) Swallow
6) Ellis
7) Clark
8) Drum
9) Kennedy
10) Oakley-Nicholls
11) Pheiffer
12) Thomas
13) Hughes
14) Varcoe
15) Pendlebury
16) McKinley
17) Douglas
18) Lucy
19) Bower
20) Jones

 

[macca69]

I have changed my order a little bit after talking to some people over the weekend and looking through the full draft camp results and some other club information.

1) Murphy
2) Hurn
3) Ryder
4) Dowler
5) Swallow
6) Ellis
7) Clark
8) Drum
9) Kennedy
10) Oakley-Nicholls
11) Pheiffer
12) Thomas
13) Hughes
14) Varcoe
15) Pendlebury
16) McKinley
17) Douglas
18) Lucy
19) Bower
20) Jones

So is that the order you think they will go, or is that your order in which you rate them?

 

[Salaryman]

I think Murphy, Dowler, Jones would be a big win for us. Hope a Mills or Obst fall to #36

 

[mojo31]

So is that the order you think they will go, or is that your order in which you rate them?

Not a mock draft. It is the top 20 players.
I said in my first post on this thread how it does not take into account where players are from and club needs.

Plenty of people to do that already but thought people might want another opinion on the players to then make up there own mind as to who they want.

 

[LukeHodge15]

mojo, just found this thread.

quality quality stuff

should win thread of the week or whatever awards they have on here. shame its tucked away on the carlton board. should do more surfing on different fourms if this is the quality.

cheers mate, keep it coming.

 

[blueboy15]

Mojo how do you rate ainger or john anthony also which KP defenders will be able to beat most of the elite forwards in the afl

 

[LukeHodge15]

be very intersted to hear ur views on:

Luke Mcentee
Daniel Nicholls

been getting smashed the last month because i think they can play........lol

footdraft hasnt had them on their list so they must be no good. go figure(mcentee has moved up with a rocket though, footydraft has him at 30ish now) still no nicholls though

 

[mojo31]

Mojo how do you rate ainger or john anthony also which KP defenders will be able to beat most of the elite forwards in the afl

Andrew Ainger.

Saw him play a few times when I went to see Marc Murphy and Dowler. He did not play many games as he was playing school football for most of the year.
The 2 times I saw him play he was playing as a defender.
He looked okay only and did his job but nothing more. Tall and skinny with nothing really standing out with his movement or skills.
Went to draft camp where his testing was not very good but he has been injured so its hard to know what to read into it.

Listed at 195.7cms and 83 kgs. I don’t think he will go in the national draft as he is basically a tall player with decent spring who does not have much else to his game. Perhaps a rookie pick.

Obviously clubs see something in him for him to get to draft camp (clubs nominate who they want to go). I personally don’t but he is still pretty young and has height to work with. It is just hard to measure him when I have not seen him much and he did not play in the Carnival.


John Anthony

Did not go to draft camp but went to a state screening. Still 17 and bottom aged. Played the whole year of TAC footy in the backline. He is a quick half back flanker who will play tight and does not seem to get caught out very often. No real flair or creativity from him or much dash when rebounding. Nice kick of the ball and could learn to do more to set things up.
Nothing very special about him that stands out and is a competenet third tall defender who will struggle to have an impact at AFL level if drafted at this stage.

 

[mojo31]

be very intersted to hear ur views on:

Luke Mcentee
Daniel Nicholls

been getting smashed the last month because i think they can play........lol

footdraft hasnt had them on their list so they must be no good. go figure(mcentee has moved up with a rocket though, footydraft has him at 30ish now) still no nicholls though

Luke McEntee

An athlete learning to play football. Tall ruck who is very quick for his 197cms.
From South Australia and had a decent carnival and would have him as the 2nd best performed ruckman there behind Ryder. Showed some ability to take a mark and could really develop there as a ruck who can drift down to take a strong mark and kick a goal.

Previously played basketball and only been playing football for a few years so would seem that he will improve a great deal with more experience. He lacks footy smarts and that would explain a lot of it. Nothing bad about his attitude to work though or put himself in but it is the positioning at times and his complete lack of the ability to read the game at others.
Then he will jump up and take a really nice mark or tap the ball down and rove it himself and make you stop and think that trying to pigeon hole him is not going to be easy.
Have him just inside my top 30 at this stage and think he has enough athletic ability and size to make it as a ruck in what is a weak draft for ruckman which puts him a little higher than normal.


Daniel Nicholls


Small midfielder who has some pace and some nice skills. Liked his games in the TAC finals , especially against Calder Cannons. He had the ball on a string that day and was easily the Stingrays best player. Seems to get quite a lot of handball receives and usually has a nice run and disposes well of the ball after it. Not exactly the best looking kicking action on his left but gets the job done.
Will also play inside and win clearances even with his small body. So a really nice mix there. Not really a kick chaser but a smart and effective player who makes his running and possessions count.

Did not get to draft camp but got a state screening. Looking at his figures they are pretty decent and over 15 on the beep test (15.1) and 3 flat for the 20m are good.

Remember his love of a tackle and the 1%ers. It is a bit funny watching him throwing himself around at times and you swear he is going to get killed. But he keeps getting up and coming back for more.

Just a shame he is only 175cms and 67kgs and at that size without having breakaway pace he is going to struggle. Has everything else but would like his kicking to be better at his size as well.

 

[mojo31]

Ryan Cook

half forward flank

Saw him play 2 times this year. Did not go the U18s Championships after making the first squad initially.

Is a bottom aged player who has some nice size at 186cms. Kicked quite a few goals and was a good possession gatherer despite not playing midfield and being stuck on the HFF.
Hard at the ball and has a little bit of class and flair with what he does. Looks dangerous on the lead and also crumbing the ball. Uses his body well and can take a contested mark and can play quite tall with a decent leap and a good mark.

Ideal rookie listing for Carlton with this type of player. However he is to young for it. Is he a bit early at 36 for us to take him. Would prefer Laidlaw or Mills if he was still around at this stage. But would not be unhappy with taking him if he was there.

 

[LukeHodge15]

Luke McEntee

An athlete learning to play football. Tall ruck who is very quick for his 197cms.
From South Australia and had a decent carnival and would have him as the 2nd best performed ruckman there behind Ryder. Showed some ability to take a mark and could really develop there as a ruck who can drift down to take a strong mark and kick a goal.

Previously played basketball and only been playing football for a few years so would seem that he will improve a great deal with more experience. He lacks footy smarts and that would explain a lot of it. Nothing bad about his attitude to work though or put himself in but it is the positioning at times and his complete lack of the ability to read the game at others.
Then he will jump up and take a really nice mark or tap the ball down and rove it himself and make you stop and think that trying to pigeon hole him is not going to be easy.
Have him just inside my top 30 at this stage and think he has enough athletic ability and size to make it as a ruck in what is a weak draft for ruckman which puts him a little higher than normal.


Daniel Nicholls


Small midfielder who has some pace and some nice skills. Liked his games in the TAC finals , especially against Calder Cannons. He had the ball on a string that day and was easily the Stingrays best player. Seems to get quite a lot of handball receives and usually has a nice run and disposes well of the ball after it. Not exactly the best looking kicking action on his left but gets the job done.
Will also play inside and win clearances even with his small body. So a really nice mix there. Not really a kick chaser but a smart and effective player who makes his running and possessions count.

Did not get to draft camp but got a state screening. Looking at his figures they are pretty decent and over 15 on the beep test (15.1) and 3 flat for the 20m are good.

Remember his love of a tackle and the 1%ers. It is a bit funny watching him throwing himself around at times and you swear he is going to get killed. But he keeps getting up and coming back for more.

Just a shame he is only 175cms and 67kgs and at that size without having breakaway pace he is going to struggle. Has everything else but would like his kicking to be better at his size as well.

so u dont think nicholls will get drafted...........i will be doing cartwheels if we rookie him...............

 

[Silvagnis]

Mojo, 79Vintage selected Alipate Carlile as our first pick in the rookie draft and I think he's been described as a Mal Michael lookalike.

Is he the player on the left in the back row?

Would you pick in the rookie draft?

 

[mojo31]

Mojo, 79Vintage selected Alipate Carlile as our first pick in the rookie draft and I think he's been described as a Mal Michael lookalike.

Is he the player on the left in the back row?

Would you pick in the rookie draft?

Just looking at who Vintage took

Murphy
Ryder
Pendlebury
Laidlaw

yes very happy with those 4.

Looking at who was available for the rookie draft.

Yes out of the list of rookies I would have taken him with pick 1 in the rookie draft.

Mine would have been (taking into account who took who and who was left)

Marc Murphy
Patrick Ryder just in front of Dowler (Hurn already gone)
Paul Bower just over Pendlebury (rate them about equal but feel Bower is more value to what we need and the old adage of take the tall when you rate them equal)
Laidlaw just in front of Danny Stanley

yes I would Alipate in the rookie draft. I assume because of Campo still on the list and outside the 38 we were not able to pick 2 rookies.

I feel he has the right attitude to succeed and has a real nice bit of mongrel about him. Might not have much physical improvement left in him but he is not deficent in anything and is a defender who can actually kick the ball. Something we seem to be unable to achieve with Teague (I cant kick over 30m accurately) and Livingston (I wish I could kick as well as Teague!!!!)

 

[mojo31]

so u dont think nicholls will get drafted...........i will be doing cartwheels if we rookie him...............

I think he will be a rookie listing yes.

 

[Silvagnis]

I assume because of Campo still on the list and outside the 38 we were not able to pick 2 rookies.

He would have gone for Simpkin as our second pick.

I feel he has the right attitude to succeed and has a real nice bit of mongrel about him. Might not have much physical improvement left in him but he is not deficent in anything and is a defender who can actually kick the ball. Something we seem to be unable to achieve with Teague (I cant kick over 30m accurately) and Livingston (I wish I could kick as well as Teague!!!!)

Sounds like he'll be looked at in the draft on that brief description.

 

[frosty1]

Re: Another moronic draft thread

I think why he is rated behind a number of others is the fact he is playing in QLD and the standard is a bit lower. Did okay in the carnival and was named on the bench for the AA team but was very lucky to make it (Drum should have been in a long way before him).
His kicking looks bad and is not very effective. His football smarts are not there at the moment. I realise people can say that he can be moulded but footy smarts are a bit like you either have them or you dont.
Kicking skills are also very hard to improve by a lot. You can turn a poor kick into an average one but that is usually about the extent of it.

With Mills athleticism he could play wing or up forward but the kicking will let him down.

I would see him as a 25 to 30 pick in this draft.

I dont think he coan take a good contested mark at this stage because if he could he would be playing forward. He uses his body well at times and at other times he is a bit lost. Like I keep saying an athletic pacjkage who will need to be taught the football smarts of where to position himself and his decision making.

Thanks a lot Mojo. Seems whoever takes him will have a lot to work with, and someone who is willing to do the work, but it will take time and you just don't know whether the final result will ever be the equal of the promise.

On the contested marking, the example that I read involved the Qld vs Oakleigh pre carnival trial game. It was said he started at CHB on Dowler and gave him a caning. Then after half time he went to CHF, (with Dowler following him to play CHB - where he's not necessarily suited) and gave him a caning there as well. If memory serves though, this was the game West kicked his bag (and did the knee) - I'm guessing Qld had a fair midfield dominance happening, so perhaps it wasn't a fair reflection?

Anyway, thanks again for the info.

Cheers.

 

[mojo31]

Updated here with a top 30 now and rewritten some of the profiles.

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=211324

Just click on it and will take you to the draft board and the right thread.