Society/Culture Morrison Makes It Official, Whatever The Cost, We Will Not Surrender To China's Threats

[Schneebly11]

 

[Baltimore Jack]

 

[kranky al]

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interesting how the map is really blurred so its difficult to see the specific areas/ countries these bases are in.

very difficult to fact check

 

[Rob R]

And funnily enough the Muslim world doesn't seem to be in much hurry to hold China to account over its treatment of the Uygurs. But FMD if you show someone a cartoon of the prophet, there will be hell to pay. Boycott France! How come no boycotting China?

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[Seeds]

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This is such an idiot argument. Many of these bases resulted from world war 2 and the korean war. And many of these bases are also there because those small countries want them there as protection from the growing china threat after china took tibet.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

interesting how the map is really blurred so its difficult to see the specific areas/ countries these bases are in.

very difficult to fact check

So your Google doesn't work?

There are any number of sources for determining US bases including numerous versions of this map

Too difficult?

 

[kranky al]

So your Google doesn't work?

There are any number of sources for determining US bases including numerous versions of this map

Too difficult?

the point being the map is so blurry i dont know what countries a lot of them are in

why do you reckon they use a blurry map

 

[Lebbo73]

China knows how vulnerable they are if the world decides that they shouldn't make everything, they won't be able to string along their population for long before they present their army with a dilemma of whether to fire on protesters or side with them.

The CCP control information so well there though that if there was a mass protest and the local garrison sided with the protesters they could drop a nuke on the city and tell their people rebels in the military just attacked the people and they would believe it.

Then they purge the military ranks of any potentially suspicious characters.

Hunger Games Mockingjay Part II type scenario hey?

 

[kranky al]

China knows how vulnerable they are if the world decides that they shouldn't make everything, they won't be able to string along their population for long before they present their army with a dilemma of whether to fire on protesters or side with them.

The CCP control information so well there though that if there was a mass protest and the local garrison sided with the protesters they could drop a nuke on the city and tell their people rebels in the military just attacked the people and they would believe it.

Then they purge the military ranks of any potentially suspicious characters.

the soviets could have done that too

 

[utility]

what china is doing is no different to what the usa did via the world bank. the issue isnt singling out any one country, its getting countries to stop thinking loans are nothing money they dont have to repay

Corrupt politicians get paid off in the shadows. That or they are "convinced" it's best for the long-term health. It's not about short-sighted decisions because pollies are bought off.

The CCP may not be openly bellicose but in 2020 they have a) advised Chinese citizens not to travel to Australia as it is unsafe (LOL); b) conducted cyber-warfare to such an extent the Federal government raised it to the press; c) blockaded various Australian exports under the guise of "quality" concerns; and d) continued persistent anti-Australian propaganda. The CCP views Australia as a vassal state and expect a puppet leader.

It's only a matter of time the CCP takes Taiwan by force.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Corrupt politicians get paid off in the shadows. That or they are "convinced" it's best for the long-term health. It's not about short-sighted decisions because pollies are bought off.

The CCP may not be openly bellicose but in 2020 they have a) advised Chinese citizens not to travel to Australia as it is unsafe (LOL); b) conducted cyber-warfare to such an extent the Federal government raised it to the press; c) blockaded various Australian exports under the guise of "quality" concerns; and d) continued persistent anti-Australian propaganda. The CCP views Australia as a vassal state and expect a puppet leader.

It's only a matter of time the CCP takes Taiwan by force.

its only a matter of time before the mainland takes taiwan - how is anyones guess

there is a reason taiwan never declared independence even when the cold war offered them the shield to do so

 

[Seeds]

its only a matter of time before the mainland takes taiwan - how is anyones guess

there is a reason taiwan never declared independence even when the cold war offered them the shield to do so

China is literally taking hong kongs citizens human rights by force right now. but yeah we have no idea when they will do the same to taiwan. You sound like chamberlain.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

China is literally taking hong kongs citizens human rights by force right now. but yeah we have no idea when they will do the same to taiwan. You sound like chamberlain.

HK people have never been democratically free. They were a part of the chinese empire, then an english colony where the white people had the freedoms, and then a puppet state back with the PRC

this notion HK was a bastion of democracy and freedom is laughable. It was a trading post under the English, and as long as trade was free and unfettered, noone gave two ****s. The same happened when the PRC took over, noone cared about democracy as long as they could earn a living.

What changed was businesses started leaving HK for the mainland.

This is not about democracy, it never has been

 

[utility]

HK people have never been democratically free. They were a part of the chinese empire, then an english colony where the white people had the freedoms, and then a puppet state back with the PRC

True, but the CCP signed a treaty with the UK and have not honored it. So getting called out on it is fair game, which they claim is an internal matter.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

True, but the CCP signed a treaty with the UK and have not honored it. So getting called out on it is fair game, which they claim is an internal matter.

Both sides did a pretty good job shitting on that treaty from day one. it was a figleaf to give the UK cover for leaving (they had neither the will or the want to hang around any longer), and the PRC to calm the fears the tanks would be rolling in.

the big issue for HK isnt freedom, its economic. More and more mainlanders have been getting access to the permits needed to work/live in HK, which has caused greater competition for good jobs, and housing.

HK'ers tend to look down on mainlanders. when disneyland opened, they ran pics of kids taking a dump in the gardens, and there were demands to ban them from the park because they are just feral peasants. the notion of losing quality jobs to a mainlander is plain insulting for many, and this is in addition to many HQ's relocating from HK to the mainland (as the need for an offshore chinese outpost becomes less and less)

HK doesnt want democracy or freedom, it wants a premier status over that of mainlanders.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

utility just as an example of the above, my former work has offices in HK and throughout China

if the HK office got an inquiry they couldnt do, but our china offices could, they would tell the customer to call a HK competitor. Reason, they would rather see their competition in HK succeed than their sister offices on the mainland.

and mainland sites were just as bad

(big chunk of my job was trying to stop the two killing each other and get them working together - they genuinely hated each other)

 

[Belnakor]

while thats a good show the points in that clip are kind of stupid.

if you read the publicy available defense white papers China is explicitly named as something to be concerned about. Its no secret.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

what china is doing is no different to what the usa did via the world bank. the issue isnt singling out any one country, its getting countries to stop thinking loans are nothing money they dont have to repay

This doesn't answer anything in my post.

The point remains, China won't have to use arms if they can annex territory through debt trap diplomacy. And it is therefore cause for concern.

Both sides did a pretty good job shitting on that treaty from day one. it was a figleaf to give the UK cover for leaving (they had neither the will or the want to hang around any longer), and the PRC to calm the fears the tanks would be rolling in.

the big issue for HK isnt freedom, its economic. More and more mainlanders have been getting access to the permits needed to work/live in HK, which has caused greater competition for good jobs, and housing.

HK'ers tend to look down on mainlanders. when disneyland opened, they ran pics of kids taking a dump in the gardens, and there were demands to ban them from the park because they are just feral peasants. the notion of losing quality jobs to a mainlander is plain insulting for many, and this is in addition to many HQ's relocating from HK to the mainland (as the need for an offshore chinese outpost becomes less and less)

HK doesnt want democracy or freedom, it wants a premier status over that of mainlanders.

This is a gross oversimplification.

There is undoubtedly anti-mainlander sentiment in HK. But it's absurd to reduce HK concerns about governance and diminishing freedoms to mere vanity.

When you say "they ran pics of kids taking a dump in the gardens", who is they? Is this meant to be evidence that HK concerns aren't valid?

Even if HK has "never been truly democratically free", as you point out, there are other freedoms at stake and there is a world of difference between effectively Western governance and the CCP.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

This doesn't answer anything in my post.

The point remains, China won't have to use arms if they can annex territory through debt trap diplomacy. And it is therefore cause for concern.

This is a gross oversimplification.

There is undoubtedly anti-mainlander sentiment in HK. But it's absurd to reduce HK concerns about governance and diminishing freedoms to mere vanity.

When you say "they ran pics of kids taking a dump in the gardens", who is they? Is this meant to be evidence that HK concerns aren't valid?

Even if HK has "never been truly democratically free", as you point out, there are other freedoms at stake and there is a world of difference between effectively Western governance and the CCP.

China isn't annexing anyone through debt diplomacy. Firstly the amount of debt needed to takeover a country is mind boggling. A sri Lankan port is a long way from taking over Sri Lanka. More importantly, Sri Lanka could always nationalised the port and take it back.

Secondly even if someone borrowed an insane amount of money where annexation was a potential, you need troops to keep that territory. As we saw with colonialism getting an empire is easy, keeping it is bloody expensive. China doesn't have the appetite to spend trillions and thousands of soldiers lives keeping oil wells or mines for generations. Frankly it needs those troops and that money at home.

China is taking over the world is the biggest pile of crap since the domino theory

 

[Sweet Jesus]

China isn't annexing anyone through debt diplomacy. Firstly the amount of debt needed to takeover a country is mind boggling. A sri Lankan port is a long way from taking over Sri Lanka. More importantly, Sri Lanka could always nationalised the port and take it back.

I didn't say they annexed an entire country. Why would you suggest otherwise? I said debt trap diplomacy allows China to annex territory - not a whole country - without using military means.

Secondly even if someone borrowed an insane amount of money where annexation was a potential, you need troops to keep that territory. As we saw with colonialism getting an empire is easy, keeping it is bloody expensive. China doesn't have the appetite to spend trillions and thousands of soldiers lives keeping oil wells or mines for generations. Frankly it needs those troops and that money at home.

You don't need troops if the country signs the territory over willingly to service debt.

China is taking over the world is the biggest pile of crap since the domino theory

Is this a response to something I've said? Or a tiresome strawman?

I didn't say China was "taking over the world". I said they can use debt trap diplomacy to annex territory so don't necessarily need to do it militarily. That is still plenty cause for concern.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

I didn't say they annexed an entire country. Why would you suggest otherwise? I said debt trap diplomacy allows China to annex territory - not a whole country - without using military means.

You don't need troops if the country signs the territory over willingly to service debt.

Is this a response to something I've said? Or a tiresome strawman?

I didn't say China was "taking over the world". I said they can use debt trap diplomacy to annex territory so don't necessarily need to do it militarily. That is still plenty cause for concern.

So what, they will use debt to take over shopping centres, mines, and farms?

Again, not a threat because the govt can always nationalised.

If this is the thing keeping you up at night, you really need to chill

 

[Sweet Jesus]

So what, they will use debt to take over shopping centres, mines, and farms?

Who said anything about shopping centres? Strategically useful territory seems more likely.

Again, not a threat because the govt can always nationalised.

Huh?

If this is the thing keeping you up at night, you really need to chill

Stop saying stupid things.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Who said anything about shopping centres? Strategically useful territory seems more likely.

Huh?

Stop saying stupid things.

it doesnt matter is the land/asset is strategic or lame as a shopping centre, govt can always take it back over

you're freaking over nothing

 

[Sweet Jesus]

it doesnt matter is the land/asset is strategic or lame as a shopping centre, govt can always take it back over

So how would they service the debt? The Sri Lankan government, for example, should simply reclaim Hambantota port, right?

you're freaking over nothing

You're incoherent.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

So how would they service the debt? The Sri Lankan government, for example, should simply reclaim Hambantota port, right?

You're incoherent.

they can pull and argentina and default

more importantly, as per my original statement, not take out loans that they cannot afford in the first place