My Maxwell Theory

[shawthing09]

I know there are probably one too many threads about him already and am all for this being merged.

I have been a massive critic of the guy and kept thinking there must be something he offers that i was missing. I am starting to think it is a team structure issue. With our key defenders being very limited it is probably in our best interest as a defensive unit to have players like Maxwell and Heath Shaw who are good at reading it and being the third man up.

I rate all three of Wakes, Brown and Harry O but Harry is small for the possie he plays and only has about 50 games under his belt. Brown is very inexperinced and Wakes is old and not the best mover and all of these three really benifit of the efforts of Maxy and Heater especially coming in and giving them a chop out. I agree that a player in that role would be much better suited if he had more to his belt i.e either a skillful rebounder, or able to defend one on one in his own right but till we find someone better I see why his needed. As for the possibility of JA going back to replace him even that is unlikely as Wakes is likely to retire and Presti's comeback is still an unknown so JA may be needed to fill that hole.

I still don't really rate him as a player. I think he is getting a game more on our weakness at the moment rather then on his own ability. That said I do see his role in our team and structure.

 

[Optimax]

and thats all i try to explain every time someone goes off on an insane rant of jiberish about maxwell.

We need him to play that role in the side, yes JA would probably be a better option but due to injuries and the sacks form issues we just dont have the cattle to drop him

 

[BEEG]

I know there are probably one too many threads about him already and am all for this being merged.

I have been a massive critic of the guy and kept thinking there must be something he offers that i was missing. I am starting to think it is a team structure issue. With our key defenders being very limited it is probably in our best interest as a defensive unit to have players like Maxwell and Heath Shaw who are good at reading it and being the third man up.

I rate all three of Wakes, Brown and Harry O but Harry is small for the possie he plays and only has about 50 games under his belt. Brown is very inexperinced and Wakes is old and not the best mover and all of these three really benifit of the efforts of Maxy and Heater especially coming in and giving them a chop out. I agree that a player in that role would be much better suited if he had more to his belt i.e either a skillful rebounder, or able to defend one on one in his own right but till we find someone better I see why his needed. As for the possibility of JA going back to replace him even that is unlikely as Wakes is likely to retire and Presti's comeback is still an unknown so JA may be needed to fill that hole.

I still don't really rate him as a player. I think he is getting a game more on our weakness at the moment rather then on his own ability. That said I do see his role in our team and structure.

His over rated but we have no one else just like Richards he was terrible but we had no one else can only work with the tools your given

 

[pipeline]

I know there are probably one too many threads about him already and am all for this being merged.

I have been a massive critic of the guy and kept thinking there must be something he offers that i was missing. I am starting to think it is a team structure issue. With our key defenders being very limited it is probably in our best interest as a defensive unit to have players like Maxwell and Heath Shaw who are good at reading it and being the third man up.

I rate all three of Wakes, Brown and Harry O but Harry is small for the possie he plays and only has about 50 games under his belt. Brown is very inexperinced and Wakes is old and not the best mover and all of these three really benifit of the efforts of Maxy and Heater especially coming in and giving them a chop out. I agree that a player in that role would be much better suited if he had more to his belt i.e either a skillful rebounder, or able to defend one on one in his own right but till we find someone better I see why his needed. As for the possibility of JA going back to replace him even that is unlikely as Wakes is likely to retire and Presti's comeback is still an unknown so JA may be needed to fill that hole.

I still don't really rate him as a player. I think he is getting a game more on our weakness at the moment rather then on his own ability. That said I do see his role in our team and structure.

I disagree that Maxwell is good at reading it. In fact I think this is one of his weaknesses.

I also think we do have a better option, namely Cox. He is a skilled, attacking backman. If his "attitude" is a problem, who can blame him? He knows he's better than Maxwell but he also knows he's never had, and never will get the kind of crack that Maxwell has had.

I appreciate Maxwells good points but unfortunately, they don't include enough of the basic essentials. He shouldn't be the subject of disrespect but he should be accountable for his position in the team and maybe this is MM's failing rather than his - we do have options but MM has failed to explore them. It's a futile argument saying "but we don't know if Coxy would be any better because we've only really seen him perform in the two's". Well, that's the way footy works - player A plays poorly in the ones. player B is playing well in the two's - you give player B his chance. And i mean a real chance, not in one game, out the next.

Unfortunately for us, it seems that CFC is a bit like the Australian test team - harder to get out of than into (at least for some).

 

[shawthing09]

Coxy's problem is he is to unaccountable for defence and can't stay in the game. There is also a massive question mark on whether he'd be willing to stand in the hole or come across bustling fowards and packs the way Maxwell does. Hence much of the point of my argument if we had the defenders who were able to win the one on one match ups and not need a chop out then we could play a rebounding defender like Cox but ATM our defenders need the help and hence Maxwell has a spot. If Cox was willing and able to block the whole. Come back with the flight, and zone off etc then he would prob get a gig in that role

as for whether he can read it or not I concede that his opponent often benifits from him running off, i was more referring to his ability to read when a team mate is in trouble, he seldom is third man up when a team mate is in a good position anyway, I don't think he gets caught in no mans land too often either

 

[unplugged]

Maxwell does some good things... just not often enough. He can surely evolve into an excellent player for us.

 

[Ickirus]

He doesn't always play in defense and when he does he man's up on the 4th-5th best forward.

I've seen Maxwell played in the forward line to no effect and even at the centre bounce at times through the year. If he isn't played in defense then he shouldn't be playing

 

[phonepopeye]

Gee, you blokes are good at pottin' your own players. I've just done a little research on BF and the sheer vigour with which you turn on your own is frightful. I refer to Tarrant, Johnson, Maxwell, Cloke, Fraser, Presti etc, etc. Culturally, you've got a serious long way to go to catch the Swans brotherhood. Back to Lulie Street for you lot to find some soul.

 

[DWil6]

Gee, you blokes are good at pottin' your own players. I've just done a little research on BF and the sheer vigour with which you turn on your own is frightful. I refer to Tarrant, Johnson, Maxwell, Cloke, Fraser, Presti etc, etc. Culturally, you've got a serious long way to go to catch the Swans brotherhood. Back to Lulie Street for you lot to find some soul.

We just want to make sure we have the best team possible for the next time we get to go out and spank your mob! Why would you even bother with that post? Seriously?

 

[Bloben]

He doesn't always play in defense and when he does he man's up on the 4th-5th best forward.

I've seen Maxwell played in the forward line to no effect and even at the centre bounce at times through the year. If he isn't played in defense then he shouldn't be playing

He was the only player that could hold his head up when playing forward when we got destroyed by Brisbane last year. I actually think he should be given more opportunity (in small bursts) up forward like he did against Nth last week.

I know that Maxwell is far from our best player however I have always thought his leadership and determination are just as important to the side. Saying that it is fair that his form has been pretty bad for at least the past few games. I remember talking to Pongo at the start of the game vs Adelaide about how well Maxwell had started the game. He was killing it for about 5-10 minutes in the first quarter then something just snapped and he couldn't do anything right!

I'm not calling for his head just yet - mainly because we have no alternative at present. I like Maxwell because of the other attributes he brings and I hope he can turn his form around and continue a career with Collingwood.

 

[smiddaz123]

He isn't even that good at reading the play!

It's this simple. If you are a defender, you HAVE to be able to keep your man quiet.

Sure, Maxwell can chop out passes and be the third man up, but that's cancelled out by the fact his opponent is scoring goals.

He cannot keep his man quiet, so why is he in our AFL side? It's disgusting. We shouldn't select someone who is just decent as a third man up.

 

[smiddaz123]

the Swans brotherhood.

Is that the one Nick Davis wants out of?

It really mustn't be that good if he's willing to move away from Mummy to leave it.

 

[Palmer Stoat]

I have been a massive critic of the guy and kept thinking there must be something he offers that i was missing. I am starting to think it is a team structure issue. With our key defenders being very limited it is probably in our best interest as a defensive unit to have players like Maxwell and Heath Shaw who are good at reading it and being the third man up.

If Maxwell were good at playing as third man up, I might agree with you. But he's not. He doesn't kill enough contests and he's not constructive when he's got the ball in hand either. That's not the type of player you want sagging off his man.

 

[Gymnorhina tibic]

There is always someone who has to be a target or these forums would be boring, back in the days before the internet we would argue the same about Mark Richardson over a pot at the local (about $1.50). I admire Max because he gives it everything but the problem is about 1 out of every 3 contests he gives a bit too much and it ends up in a turnover. Always thought you guys were a bit harsh on him but I can not believe Goldy has been dropped ahead of him. Having said that he is a Magpie so I hope he gets out there 2morrow and has a blinda

 

[OniAu]

Gee, you blokes are good at pottin' your own players. I've just done a little research on BF and the sheer vigour with which you turn on your own is frightful. I refer to Tarrant, Johnson, Maxwell, Cloke, Fraser, Presti etc, etc. Culturally, you've got a serious long way to go to catch the Swans brotherhood. Back to Lulie Street for you lot to find some soul.

true story, visit the boards after a pies loss. nearly 20 players get dropped after a loss if it was up to some of the posters on these boards. thomas should be traded , fraser traded , rocca should retire etc etc

im all for being annoyed at losses but some people need to chill out and stop eating their own

 

[Big Bucks]

and thats all i try to explain every time someone goes off on an insane rant of jiberish about maxwell.

We need him to play that role in the side, yes JA would probably be a better option but due to injuries and the sacks form issues we just dont have the cattle to drop him

I see the No.5 now and i hang my head .
I know who gave him the number, and i come to the conclusion! is Big Bucks in the right state of mind to be annointed ( only joking)to be our next Coach.
FFS Nath you know he is a very ordinary footballer and an individual who i and most others would not follow into battle.

 

[Big Bucks]

true story, visit the boards after a pies loss. nearly 20 players get dropped after a loss if it was up to some of the posters on these boards. thomas should be traded , fraser traded , rocca should retire etc etc

im all for being annoyed at losses but some people need to chill out and stop eating their own

Since last year when most posters on this board wanted the current no.5 to be our Captain i have made it known what i thought of this ordinary imposter who has limited skills, is not accountable, His creativity makes the grass that grows seem like an occassion you should never miss,never beats his direct opponent in a one on one duel, ohhh now i know why he goes third man up, he is hoping that three of his teamates give him a chopout as he tries to nullify his own man.

 

[Pie eyed]

Since last year when most posters on this board wanted the current no.5 to be our Captain i have made it known what i thought of this ordinary imposter who has limited skills, is not accountable, His creativity makes the grass that grows seem like an occassion you should never miss,never beats his direct opponent in a one on one duel, ohhh now i know why he goes third man up, he is hoping that three of his teamates give him a chopout as he tries to nullify his own man.

Hmmmm! The beginning of the exaggerations.


Never let it be said that you have ever not "let it be known how you feel" about any Collingwood player.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

I also think we do have a better option, namely Cox. He is a skilled, attacking backman. If his "attitude" is a problem, who can blame him? He knows he's better than Maxwell but he also knows he's never had, and never will get the kind of crack that Maxwell has had.

Unless Cox develops the tank to play in the midfield rotations, you may as well stick a fork in him; he's done.

Shannon Cox simply cannot defend. He has none of the mongrel of a Maxwell or Anthony, and is often outpointed embarrassingly by undersized opponents in marking contests (see: Jack Steven vs. Casey Scorpions). He has no concept of using his body, and is not hard enough at the ball. No doubt he has lovely skills and moves well, but as a defender in the AFL he would be a downright liability. His only hope is to get a chance on a wing or pinch-hitting in the middle, where his glaring weaknesses are less likely to be exposed. Any half-decent AFL coach would drag him straight to the goalsquare like they used to do with R Shaw, before we got wise.

Needless to say, I no longer hold out much hope for Cox.

 

[Big Bucks]

Hmmmm! The beginning of the exaggerations.


Never let it be said that you have ever not "let it be known how you feel" about any Collingwood player.

Unlike like you,i don`t feel the Collingwood player.

 

[Optimax]

Unless Cox develops the tank to play in the midfield rotations, you may as well stick a fork in him; he's done.

Shannon Cox simply cannot defend. He has none of the mongrel of a Maxwell or Anthony, and is often outpointed embarrassingly by undersized opponents in marking contests (see: Jack Steven vs. Casey Scorpions). He has no concept of using his body, and is not hard enough at the ball. No doubt he has lovely skills and moves well, but as a defender in the AFL he would be a downright liability. His only hope is to get a chance on a wing or pinch-hitting in the middle, where his glaring weaknesses are less likely to be exposed. Any half-decent AFL coach would drag him straight to the goalsquare like they used to do with R Shaw, before we got wise.

Needless to say, I no longer hold out much hope for Cox.

man i used to say that so much i gave up. Glad it wasnt me being perdantic.

But in such i agree with everyword psted

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

Since last year when most posters on this board wanted the current no.5 to be our Captain i have made it known what i thought of this ordinary imposter who has limited skills, is not accountable, His creativity makes the grass that grows seem like an occassion you should never miss,never beats his direct opponent in a one on one duel, ohhh now i know why he goes third man up, he is hoping that three of his teamates give him a chopout as he tries to nullify his own man.

Wasn't he heralded for his game on Sydney's O'Keefe just a few weeks ago? Great tackle in the prelim final last year too. Like the rest of you, usually I wish someone else was there.

 

[Somebody]

Gee, you blokes are good at pottin' your own players. I've just done a little research on BF and the sheer vigour with which you turn on your own is frightful. I refer to Tarrant, Johnson, Maxwell, Cloke, Fraser, Presti etc, etc. Culturally, you've got a serious long way to go to catch the Swans brotherhood. Back to Lulie Street for you lot to find some soul.

Exactly right PP, it's embarrassing and sometimes quite disgusting how Woods "supporters" often abuse and pile hatred on thier own players. "Vigour" is an understatement, it's more like viciousness and hatred. It's like spoilt little children who want to kill their parents when they don't get their own way.
However this thread isn't nearly as bad as some have been (except for "big bucks" of course) but mostly falls well short of constructive and encouraging criticism.
Actually I sometimes wonder if it's the same at other clubs' forums, I mean you wouldn't think there'd be much difference between club supporters. I think Richmond is pretty bad but don't know about others.
As far as Maxwell goes, he was playing a lot better starting about this time last year, so hopefully can recapture that form for the finals. Extremely short memories are another pie supporter trait.

 

[Rush_Hour]

Maxwell serves his purpose within the team as there are simply no better players available. I think the real issue for most people is that Nick Maxwell is not a premiership-calibre player. When you compare him to other 3rd defenders on the top sides, he looks pretty ordinary. Maxwell tries his heart out and he might have his admirers but having players like Maxwell in the starting 18 is not going to win a premiership.

 

[pipeline]

Unless Cox develops the tank to play in the midfield rotations, you may as well stick a fork in him; he's done.

Shannon Cox simply cannot defend. He has none of the mongrel of a Maxwell or Anthony, and is often outpointed embarrassingly by undersized opponents in marking contests (see: Jack Steven vs. Casey Scorpions). He has no concept of using his body, and is not hard enough at the ball. No doubt he has lovely skills and moves well, but as a defender in the AFL he would be a downright liability. His only hope is to get a chance on a wing or pinch-hitting in the middle, where his glaring weaknesses are less likely to be exposed. Any half-decent AFL coach would drag him straight to the goalsquare like they used to do with R Shaw, before we got wise.

Needless to say, I no longer hold out much hope for Cox.

Sorry TRS, most of this is nonsense. Coxy has been the best defender in the two's all last season and most of this. He's actually been more consistant than Jack and his skills are superior. As to his hardness, have a look at his game against Sandy earlier this season as an example. Jack tends to be more bluff than real action but when Coxy gets into it he's fearsome. Part of what he's had to learn is to keep a lid on his aggression and a lot of people who don't know his background mistake his attitude for softness or lack of intensity. It's rubbish.

You talk about his glaring weaknesses as though it were fact, not opinion. I don't consider he has any "glaring" weaknesses at all - except that he beleives he's not going anywhere at Collingwood and sometimes plays accordingly.