Recommitted Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera - two year extension

[banzai]

They won't get that.

Its pretty bad if they dont. We got 6 and 23 or something for Daniel Rioli. Nasiah is 10x as good and way younger.

 

[1990crow]

Its pretty bad if they dont. We got 6 and 23 or something for Daniel Rioli. Nasiah is 10x as good and way younger.

Geelong didn't give up a top 10 pick for Jezza.

 

[BluesBusiness1991]

None of that is a stkilda issue.

I’ll tell you what an Adelaide issue is.

He doesn’t get traded unless the saints are satisfied. He doesn’t get to Adelaide without that trade (let’s not pretend he walks to them in the PSD, the eagles will take him)

Let’s also not pretend the saints will fold for 3 second round picks when it’s all said and done and some fringe player.

Unfortunately Saints will have to cop it champ. They need to stump up their offer..Can’t see him being walked to the PSD

 

[Cleric]

I'm fine with clubs pursuing good players, I'm just bemused by the number of Port and Crows supporters digging their heels in on the concept of trading one of their good players back.

If Port are serious about trading for a generational player, are they really going to let negotiations fall apart over someone like Bergman? Nothing against the bloke, I'd love to have him on the Saints, but I know which I'd prefer.

Yes, I am aware that Nas is out of contract, and yes I am aware this puts St Kilda over the barrel, but the whole "take it or leave it" attitude to pursuing arguably the best young player in the game is well past obnoxious.

Thankfully it's just been coming from supporters from said clubs so far, not the clubs themselves. If Port or the Crows come in hot to with that attitude, offering scraps for generational talent, then Nas won't be playing in South Australia next year and they certainly won't be making any friends with trading partners or AFL house.

I also wonder how Nas would feel finding out the team that wants him, and has courted him into coming home, then refuse to offer a worthy deal to get it done.

Its not as simple of just trading a player.
If for instance Butters or Bergman went to Port and said they wanted to go back to Victoria, and was preferably out of contract, then I have no doubts that player would be included in the trade somehow.

Its different than saying the Crows should offer up a Worrell or Rachele for instance for Nas if they were contracted and didnt want to move.
If the club pressured a player to look at leaving to get another player in, and if that player was popular amongst the playing group, it could create disunity in the team, and make the incoming player feel bad about it.

The way St Kilda needs to approach it is if Nas said he wanted to come to Adelaide, they dont ask the Crows to offer a player up, they identify a player they want, say Worrell, and they then approach him directly and put an offer to him that he cant refuse. Then its Worrell that goes to the club and says he wants to be traded back to Victoria and possibly St Kilda. The optics is that its the player who wanted to go rather than the club trying to push him out. If it doesnt work with Worrell you go to the next one in Rachele or Soligo etc.

I understand how badly it sucks to lose a young player that's just starting to look like he is the future of your club, and he might pick a club that doesnt have the exact pick you think he is worth.
Trust me, we have seen it at the Crows with Gunston, McGovern, Dangerfield, Lever, Charlie Cameron etc.

 

[stavro#4]

Geelong didn't give up a top 10 pick for Jezza.

I love when people try to pretend they are educated in player trades.

Cameron was a RFA. The Giants matched a bid and instead of getting pick 18ish as compo.

They got pick 13,15,20 for Jezza and 2 second rounders.

So they upgraded 2 seconds and upgraded the pick they got instead of what the compo equivalent would have been.

There is no free agency applicable to this process. So it is entirely irrelevant to the discussion.

 

[stavro#4]

Unfortunately Saints will have to cop it champ. They need to stump up their offer..Can’t see him being walked to the PSD

What do you think we have done champ? Offered him a lower deal than either SA sides?

You right he won’t go to the draft as he won’t make it to the crows or port. He ends up at west coast or north.

So if it even comes to it. They will trade and a fair deal will occur.

 

[angrynaut]

To those who think that a two or three mid-twenties picks gets it done because he's out of contract: if St Kilda says no thanks and the choice is between going to West Coast in the PSD and staying with St Kilda for two years to give the SA teams time put a proper package together, which do you think he choses? Uproot his life to move to a worse team in a place he doesn't want to be, or a few more years at the club he currently plays for?

 

[Cleric]

. They are going to have get used to the idea that they are going to have to part with a good player.

Neither SA club has the draft capital so it's going to have a be a good player.

Port can forget any kind of nonsense with Berry, Whitlock or Sinn. That's some laughable shit.

We could do what Sydney did with Tippet. Offer pick 19 and Jessie White.

 

[Bearded Clam]

I'm fine with clubs pursuing good players, I'm just bemused by the number of Port and Crows supporters digging their heels in on the concept of trading one of their good players back.

If Port are serious about trading for a generational player, are they really going to let negotiations fall apart over someone like Bergman? Nothing against the bloke, I'd love to have him on the Saints, but I know which I'd prefer.

Yes, I am aware that Nas is out of contract, and yes I am aware this puts St Kilda over the barrel, but the whole "take it or leave it" attitude to pursuing arguably the best young player in the game is well past obnoxious.

Thankfully it's just been coming from supporters from said clubs so far, not the clubs themselves. If Port or the Crows come in hot to with that attitude, offering scraps for generational talent, then Nas won't be playing in South Australia next year and they certainly won't be making any friends with trading partners or AFL house.

I also wonder how Nas would feel finding out the team that wants him, and has courted him into coming home, then refuse to offer a worthy deal to get it done.

This is just delusional though.

bigfooty does it all the time.. its the delusional “you’ll just have to trade one of your best players to give to the team you are taking the great player from” nonsense line..
it gets said every single fxxkn time in these trade discussions and…. IT NEVER HAPPENS.

You cannot trade players against their will.

If not one single crows or port player has any interest whatsoever in being traded to stkilda (or any other club in a three way trade for that matter) then it aint happening.

And what top crows player would want to leave the crows to go to the saints right now?.

All the top crows players are locked in long term cause they want to be at the club and dont want to go anywhere else.. thats why they signed long term contracts.
Best part for them is they are on top of the ladder, at a club that finally looks like they are at the start of a decent window after languishing down the bottom for years..

why the hell would you go to club at the bottom end of the ladder now?

And if Butters leaves port.. you think he’s gonna ask to go to some bottom dweller club?.. no fxxkn chance. He’ll ask to go to geelong or the pies! Not that port will want to trade him anyway.

And the pies and geelong will offer port sweet fa for him. Like they do to most clubs in a trade.

 

[Cleric]

This is just delusional though.

bigfooty does it all the time.. its the delusional “you’ll just have to trade one of your best players to give to the team you are taking the great player from” nonsense line..
it gets said every single fxxkn time in these trade discussions and…. IT NEVER HAPPENS.

You cannot trade players against their will.

If not one single crows or port player has any interest whatsoever in being traded to stkilda (or any other club in a three way trade for that matter) then it aint happening.

And what top crows player would want to leave the crows to go to the saints right now?.

All the top crows players are locked in long term cause they want to be at the club and dont want to go anywhere else.. thats why they signed long term contracts.
Best part for them is they are on top of the ladder, at a club that finally looks like they are at the start of a decent window after languishing down the bottom for years..

why the hell would you go to club at the bottom end of the ladder now?

And if Butters leaves port.. you think he’s gonna ask to go to some bottom dweller club?.. no fxxkn chance. He’ll ask to go to geelong or the pies! Not that port will want to trade him anyway.

And the pies and geelong will offer port sweet fa for him. Like they do to most clubs in a trade.

The only way it happens is if St Kilda offer a godfather offer to one of the contracted Crows players.
This is a realistic scenario.
Worrell would be on about 500k. If St Kilda offered him 1.2 million over 5 years, then that would have to make Worrell think about it. At best it makes Adelaide think they might have to redo his contract to offer him more now he has come of age, at worst he runs with it and asks for a trade.
700k is alot to turn your nose up to.

 

[angrynaut]

This is just delusional though.

bigfooty does it all the time.. its the delusional “you’ll just have to trade one of your best players to give to the team you are taking the great player from” nonsense line..
it gets said every single fxxkn time in these trade discussions and…. IT NEVER HAPPENS.

You cannot trade players against their will.

If not one single crows or port player has any interest whatsoever in being traded to stkilda (or any other club in a three way trade for that matter) then it aint happening.

And what top crows player would want to leave the crows to go to the saints right now?.

All the top crows players are locked in long term cause they want to be at the club and dont want to go anywhere else.. thats why they signed long term contracts.
Best part for them is they are on top of the ladder, at a club that finally looks like they are at the start of a decent window after languishing down the bottom for years..

why the hell would you go to club at the bottom end of the ladder now?

And if Butters leaves port.. you think he’s gonna ask to go to some bottom dweller club?.. no fxxkn chance. He’ll ask to go to geelong or the pies! Not that port will want to trade him anyway.

And the pies and geelong will offer port sweet fa for him. Like they do to most clubs in a trade.

My post was basically "certain Port and Crows supporters refuse to even engage with the concept of trading a player back" and you decide to respond with a great example.

As Cleric points out, there are absolutely ways for St Kilda to attract a player from either team. Will it happen? Who knows. Going on long rants about why it's impossible is what makes this conversation tiring.

 

[1970crow]

Therein lies the problem for the Saints.

No one of any value actually wants to go there.

They're going to get shafted.

But they might want to go to you guys. Do you use draft picks to trade for players that you want?

 

[1970crow]

Has a big profile trade ever involved a good player from the side gaining the player?

It’s usually picks and fringe types isn’t it.

It would only involve a player if the Saints had been working on someone themselves. Otherwise it’d be picks and it’s up to the acquirer to do what’s needed to put something together that they can accept.

 

[Golumless]

Yeah he's AA and elite.
Agree .

But Nasiah is better that that. He's something else

Nasiah is also out of contract...

 

[Golumless]

Rachele and Adelaides 1st round + Future 1st for NWM.

Who says no?

Rachele and Adelaide.

 

[Golumless]

Teams pursue arguably the best young talent in the league knowing they don't have the draft capital to make a fair trade, and then their supporters balk at the thought that the might need to trade a good player back to make it happen.

This must be studied.

And when you eventually accept that offer, feel free to do so.

Welcome to the magical world of trading for an out of contract player, if Nas management think that offer is fair (and won't resign because of it), you're shit out of luck.

 

[stavro#4]

This is just delusional though.

bigfooty does it all the time.. its the delusional “you’ll just have to trade one of your best players to give to the team you are taking the great player from” nonsense line..
it gets said every single fxxkn time in these trade discussions and…. IT NEVER HAPPENS.

You cannot trade players against their will.

If not one single crows or port player has any interest whatsoever in being traded to stkilda (or any other club in a three way trade for that matter) then it aint happening.

And what top crows player would want to leave the crows to go to the saints right now?.

All the top crows players are locked in long term cause they want to be at the club and dont want to go anywhere else.. thats why they signed long term contracts.
Best part for them is they are on top of the ladder, at a club that finally looks like they are at the start of a decent window after languishing down the bottom for years..

why the hell would you go to club at the bottom end of the ladder now?

And if Butters leaves port.. you think he’s gonna ask to go to some bottom dweller club?.. no fxxkn chance. He’ll ask to go to geelong or the pies! Not that port will want to trade him anyway.

And the pies and geelong will offer port sweet fa for him. Like they do to most clubs in a trade.

Great, you have highlighted why it’s seen by all experts as an impossible deal to do.

Nasiah is also out of contract...

And do you know what that means?

 

[stavro#4]

Oh look at that, Jay Clark chief football reporter for Herald Sun, just squashed Jon Ralph’s article about Adelaide’s ability to get a deal done and believes he will stay a saint (Source: First Crack)

 

[CrowToon]

Rachele, 1st Rounder and Lachie Murphy's experience and leadership.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Just because he is uncontracted doesnt mean he automatically gets to Adelaide. They still need to satisfy the Saints.

No they dont because he's not contracted. They will put their best offer on the table and at the last day of trade week st kilda will realistically have to take it-give or take some minor picks swaps.

 

[stavro#4]

No they dont because he's not contracted. They will put their best offer on the table and at the last day of trade week st kilda will realistically have to take it-give or take some minor picks swaps.

Do you understand the difference between being OOC and a free agent?

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Its pretty bad if they dont. We got 6 and 23 or something for Daniel Rioli. Nasiah is 10x as good and way younger.

You were lucky that gc had high picks and stupidly are prepared to throw them around like confetti.
That won't happen here and the idea of trying to force players our against their will is just stupid.

 

[Bearded Clam]

Oh look at that, Jay Clark chief football reporter for Herald Sun, just squashed Jon Ralph’s article about Adelaide’s ability to get a deal done and believes he will stay a saint (Source: First Crack)

The deal always gets done.

If NWM asks to be traded. He will get traded.

Saints might not get exactly what they feel he is worth.. but thats trading.. every club thinks they get less than what they feel their player is worth when a top player at the club leaves.

Do you reckon the crows thought they got top dollar for brad crouch?.. Jake Lever?.. Patrick Dangerfield?.. at the time they traded these players?.

The only way NWM stays a saint is if he wants to be a st kilda player.. he’s not going to stay just cause “the saints cant seem to get what they want at the trade table for him”..

No player would ever be traded if that was how it worked because the club losing the player would just put a massive unrealistic price on their players head and say “stay please cause the other club wont pay us this”..

 

[LoBu]

Im speculating, but I think Nas' head would be saying Adelaide, but his heart Port. Or maybe his heart is torn between Saints and Port.
But whichever way, I struggle to see how a deal can get done.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Do you understand the difference between being OOC and a free agent?

It doesn't matter. The reality of how deals have been the last 10 years shows that uncontracted players 99 % of the time get to the club they choose and 99 % the club losing them gets relative unders on the trade. That's just where the afl has allowed the system to get to.