Nathan Brown forward please...

[HFF]

Point 1: You're stupid
Point 2: He needs to mark the ball first to have a shot. He is down on form.
Point 3: It is not about jumping the gun. I have been calling for the Brown/Anthony switch for some time. Yes he is our FF, but he's not very good at it. As a backman he was stellar.

Sorry champ, you are fighting a lost cause.

You "argument" has no merit.

You say as a backman he "was stellar". When did he actually play as a defender at AFL level?

As a FF, he has been "stellar", particularly for a young player that is still learning the caper.

Point is, it is outrageous, plain and simple.

As I said, you do not replace 75 goals from 30 career games for someone that has kicked no more than 5 career goals in as many games if not more.

 

[Frankie23]

There is nothing wrong with Jack's mindset when it comes to defensive pressure, I actually think it is at a par level.

However I'm not sure if he had a setback during pre-season? But this week and last week and even against Richmond in the NAB Challeneg he looks a bit underdone.

No way can we drop him, he just needs to find his match fitness.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

In another thread people are proposing to play Cloke at CHB on Riewoldt, I'd say that's mildly more outrageous... but yes I agree Opti.

Also, yes Jack Anthony had off-season shoulder surgery.

 

[Optimax]

So is playing J Cloke in the forward line.
So is playing Didak in the midfield.
Some things work, some don't.

Didak to the midfield was never outrageous, he was drafted as a midfielder after all

Cloke forward was dumb, in a similar vien to Nate Nate brown to full forward, at least Jason played full quarters across half forward at times in 03, Nate doesnt even have that luxury

 

[soho]

jack anthony is far too slow to be a key defender.

 

[Parallel Andy]

As I said, you do not replace 75 goals from 30 career games for someone that has kicked no more than 5 career goals in as many games if not more.

Brian Taylor out of the side for the '90 GF?

 

[Parallel Andy]

You say as a backman he "was stellar". When did he actually play as a defender at AFL level?

As a FF, he has been "stellar"

Stellar as a VFL backman.
You say stellar as an AFL forward?
We have very different definitions of stellar.

 

[mdc]

We have very different definitions of stellar.

You'll find Matthew Lloyd is the only player to have kicked more goals than John Anthony over the first 30 games of his career.

I'd say that's pretty stellar company.

 

[loki04]

Bringing a fullback straight into the seniors and playing him at full forward, well that is in a word outrageous

They did that with JA...

But Dawes should be 1st inline and also given at least 3 games at senior level to adjust, then Rusling after another month at VFL if they put him back at FF.

I do agree Brown is our future FB but it can't hurt to see what he offers up forward in the VFL, he also played CHF at times in u/18.

 

[Parallel Andy]

You'll find Matthew Lloyd is the only player to have kicked more goals than John Anthony over the first 30 games of his career.

I'd say that's pretty stellar company.

Well that ends the discussion then.
Ignore the fact that Anthony has only kicked 6 goals in his last 6 games.
That's 6 goals in a quarter of an AFL season.
At this rate he will only kick 24 goals for the year.
I don't want to sound like I'm Jack bashing but I just don't see a future for him at FF and regarding Brown, I do.

 

[HFF]

Stellar as a VFL backman.
You say stellar as an AFL forward?
We have very different definitions of stellar.

You'll find Matthew Lloyd is the only player to have kicked more goals than John Anthony over the first 30 games of his career.

I'd say that's pretty stellar company.

What mdc said.

Since when did "stellar VFL form" mean anything?

It's what you show at AFL level and Jack has shown he is a very good player.

Considering the facts, Jack is in "stellar company".

 

[loki04]

You'll find Matthew Lloyd is the only player to have kicked more goals than John Anthony over the first 30 games of his career.

I'd say that's pretty stellar company.

Through accuracy, JA looks like he has lost weight and speed over the off season.
He is best suited to being the 3rd tall, Dawes deserves the opportunity.

 

[mdc]

Well that ends the discussion then.
Ignore the fact that Anthony has only kicked 6 goals in his last 6 games.
That's 6 goals in a quarter of an AFL season.
At this rate he will only kick 24 goals for the year.

In the 3 games before those 6, he kicked 10 goals.
That's 10 goals in 1/8th of an AFL season.
At that rate he will kick 80 goals for the season.

See, we can all cherry-pick.

Fact is, he kicked 50 goals last season, which is a good return for a FF and a very good return for a 21yo full-forward.

And yes loki, the accuracy helps, but last year's 50 goals came at about 63% accuracy, which is perfectly sustainable. He shouldn't be punished for being a good kick.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Particularly as Lloyd went alright in that area too.

 

[loki04]

In the 3 games before those 6, he kicked 10 goals.
That's 10 goals in 1/8th of an AFL season.
At that rate he will kick 80 goals for the season.

See, we can all cherry-pick.

Fact is, he kicked 50 goals last season, which is a good return for a FF and a very good return for a 21yo full-forward.

And yes loki, the accuracy helps, but last year's 50 goals came at about 63% accuracy, which is perfectly sustainable. He shouldn't be punished for being a good kick.

Not saying he should but he needs to be getting more of the pill, he quite often gets spoiled by the defenders and then the ball is swept away.

On a lesser defender I believe JA would be much more valuable, to do this though we need a dangerous FF taking the heat off him.

 

[Optimax]

Not saying he should but he needs to be getting more of the pill, he quite often gets spoiled by the defenders and then the ball is swept away.

On a lesser defender I believe JA would be much more valuable, to do this though we need a dangerous FF taking the heat off him.

Rusling still needs match practice, and Nate Brown isnt going to help in that regard either

 

[coldpieswarmbeer]

I'd definately like to see Reid get a few more shots at making it as a forward.

Out of our defenders I think Goldsack would make the best forward!! I love everytime he runs forward and snags a great goal..

 

[johncitizen]

Andy is right though about Jack. He's down on form as is Cloke and we need to come up with plan number 2 if they don't start putting together some good games...Sure Jack was good last year.. So far very bad and he looks lost at times... Nathan has taken some big marks up forward and kicked goals with small stints in the forward line.. At least we have some options to work with..Dawes,Rusling MaCaffer, Nathan Brown..

 

[johncitizen]

question, Cloke to CHB, where does maxwell go?

Good question swamp13..

I wonder if the two of them would be good enough to alternate from CHB and wing.. Depending on the game plan and who we're playing.. Maxwell gets monstered by some of the bigger forwards and I feel Cloke is a little bigger and would like to see him tried there.. You would only play him there for short stints against certain opposition and see if he's capable..

I think Cloke is bigger, faster and stronger then Chris Tarrant.. He's doing ok for Freo..

Don't know swamp13..Just putting up healthy discussion..

 

[bucksisbest]

I think supporters like the idea of N.Brown as a deep key forward due to his build and the fact he can hoof a ball occasionally.
I haven't seen any evidence that he is suited to it , but would not object to him being trialled there in the VFL for the next 6 weeks.
I sincerely hope Rusling plays at full forward in the VFL soon , but wouldn't be surprised if he is there for a while as MM has said he thinks he might make it as a defender.

End of the day , right now Dawes is the standout player in the VFL and has dominated his past 2 games.

 

[Bay Pie]

Well that ends the discussion then.
Ignore the fact that Anthony has only kicked 6 goals in his last 6 games.
That's 6 goals in a quarter of an AFL season.
At this rate he will only kick 24 goals for the year.
I don't want to sound like I'm Jack bashing but I just don't see a future for him at FF and regarding Brown, I do.

4 of those games opposed to 2 AA FBs' and another 1 against the best defence in the comp last year. He's not going to playing against Lake & Scarlett 4 out of every 6 games and one of the other games against St.Kilda. Selective stat gathering here.

You sound like you are JA bashing, I'm afraid.

 

[Parallel Andy]

4 of those games opposed to 2 AA FBs' and another 1 against the best defence in the comp last year. He's not going to playing against Lake & Scarlett 4 out of every 6 games and one of the other games against St.Kilda. Selective stat gathering here.

You sound like you are JA bashing, I'm afraid.

You have to be able to be competitive against all FBs as a FF. Jack is not.

If you actually read every post I've written you'd know I'm not Jack bashing.
If you have read every post and still think that, then I'm concerned about your upstairs.

When I say things like 'stellar backman' which some think is unwarranted, I clearly have a high opinion of the guy.

I just think that there are better options for FF.

 

[dswan]

100 percent he should go foward or play as a utility. Mick Malthouse im sick to death of his crap. He never moves players into different positions.

 

[dswan]

Nope, Doesn't deserve it, simply put.

If anyone is going to come in and play forward, it is Dawes, simple as that.

I don't disagree with the idea of playing Brown up forward in the VFL next week to see how he goes though, but we can't bring him straight into the seniors simply because he hasn't played forward at any level for so long.

Agree with the Anthony call too, in fact I thought he should have gone back on Pettard yesterday, I mean, he couldn't have done any worse then Shaw.

Dawes has no agility get with it tool. Brown can actually move properly

 

[THATSGOLD]

its worth a try.. but shouldn't this been experimented in the nab cup?

although we "experimented" in the "prelim" with leigh brown up forward and he played well.