Player Watch Nathan Freeman

[Somebody]

How many more VFL games left this year? 2 years out with a Hamstring injury.. what a ******* joke

I didn't knwo it was possible to have a hammie strain that bad?! Even tearing a tendon off the bone doesn't take nearly as long!?

 

[Mungo Mulligan Stew]

But we are in new territory in the modern game. 30 years ago you never heard of a hammy.15 years ago a hammy was 3 weeks.Now we have season ending tendon hammys. Players are driven to the edge in the modern game and much like an F1 car they become fragile as more and more weight is stripped away and more and more power and speed is added. The modern game is unprecedented and injuries are a dynamic system that we are struggling to learn on the trot

Interesting post. Reposted to The Collingwood Blog

 

[Kappa]

I didn't knwo it was possible to have a hammie strain that bad?! Even tearing a tendon off the bone doesn't take nearly as long!?

Yep... a really bad tendon tear completely off the bone is generally a year... Freeman is close to double that...

 

[Somebody]

Interesting post. Reposted to The Collingwood Blog

"Bucksboys said: ↑
But we are in new territory in the modern game. 30 years ago you never heard of a hammy.15 years ago a hammy was 3 weeks.Now we have season ending tendon hammys. Players are driven to the edge in the modern game and much like an F1 car they become fragile as more and more weight is stripped away and more and more power and speed is added. The modern game is unprecedented and injuries are a dynamic system that we are struggling to learn on the trot"

yes it's a shame there can't be a way of uniformly limiting training loads but it would be very complicated to implement and police. If every club was restricted in how much they could be driven, none of them would mind because the playing field would be levelled, and there'd be a lot less injury and long-term bad effects like arthritis etc.
and then how would you stop players from individually training away from the club to improve themselves? I guess we are stuck with it.

 

[DaVe86]

Remember he had surgery, he didn't necessarily do his hammy this year.

 

[Scodog10]

Remember he had surgery, he didn't necessarily do his hammy this year.

It's a really interesting circumstance. I personally don't remember a single footballer in AFL history that has lost the better part of 2 years (perhaps the most important 2) from one major soft tissue injury so I wonder what the upshot of his predicament will mean for the medical/ sports science team?..

Especially on the back of Reid's continuing ailments, ditto Sinclair, Ramsay's shin, Oxley's ankle in 2014, Broomhead's recent shoulder injury and Maxwell's ankle last year. Our injured players take longer than any other clubs to get up to speed at VFL level and then don't return anyway so it's a real melon scratcher!

 

[Kappa]

Remember he had surgery, he didn't necessarily do his hammy this year.

Just a minor clean out that's going to keep him out 3/4 of the season...

 

[Kappa]

It's a really interesting circumstance. I personally don't remember a single footballer in AFL history that has lost the better part of 2 years (perhaps the most important 2) from one major soft tissue injury so I wonder what the upshot of his predicament will mean for the medical/ sports science team?..

Especially on the back of Reid's continuing ailments, ditto Sinclair, Oxley's ankle in 2014, Broomhead's recent shoulder injury and Maxwell's ankle last year. Our injured players take longer than any other clubs to get up to speed at VFL level and then don't return anyway so it's a real melon scratcher!

The only thing we know for SURE is that NONE of it is the clubs fault.

Even suggesting that around here gets you chased with a pitchfork

 

[Scodog10]

The only thing we know for SURE and that NONE of it is the clubs fault.

Even suggesting that around here gets you chased with a pitchfork

Perhaps it's in the delivery? The more sarcasm you throw in the less the rank and file pitchfork brandishing Pies poster will be able to lockdown on any negativity

I'll give you an example. Nick Reiwoldt strained a calf and played the next week against Richmond (not to shabbily I might add) after already tearing the same calf earlier this year. Ben Reid cramps at VFL level and misses the next 3 weeks yet no one batted an eyelid because its easier to sit back and say "oh well it's Reidy he's always injured". It's pretty disappointing, IMO.

 

[THATSGOLD]

It's hard to believe he was drafted in 2013 and it's looking like 2016 before he plays a game.

 

[Kappa]

It's hard to believe he was drafted in 2013 and it's looking like 2016 before he plays a game.

It's not really spoken about much, but you couldn't really of imagined a worst start to two careers of top 10 draft picks.

One does his hammy in the first practice match and misses two years, the other does his ACL in his first season then struggles to regain his best in the VFL the next year.

Have to stay positive I guess

 

[Soaring Magpie]

It will be interesting to see how much trust freeman has in his body when (if) he returns, the best part of 2 years to recover from a hamstring injury would have to put doubts in your mind whether you're body can handle the pace of the game.

 

[Chief Ten Beers]

Perhaps it's in the delivery? The more sarcasm you throw in the less the rank and file pitchfork brandishing Pies poster will be able to lockdown on any negativity

I'll give you an example. Nick Reiwoldt strained a calf and played the next week against Richmond (not to shabbily I might add) after already tearing the same calf earlier this year. Ben Reid cramps at VFL level and misses the next 3 weeks yet no one batted an eyelid because its easier to sit back and say "oh well it's Reidy he's always injured". It's pretty disappointing, IMO.

It will be interesting to see how long Cloke will be out for.

I agree your previous post - Ramsay's injury is absurd, what was meant to be a week or two out with a sore shin ends up being a year long injury. I've never seen anything like Freeman either.

 

[Kappa]

Perhaps it's in the delivery? The more sarcasm you throw in the less the rank and file pitchfork brandishing Pies poster will be able to lockdown on any negativity

I'll give you an example. Nick Reiwoldt strained a calf and played the next week against Richmond (not to shabbily I might add) after already tearing the same calf earlier this year. Ben Reid cramps at VFL level and misses the next 3 weeks yet no one batted an eyelid because its easier to sit back and say "oh well it's Reidy he's always injured". It's pretty disappointing, IMO.

Something else everyone forgets

Luke Ball does his ACL - sent back onto the field (first time I've ever seen or heard of that happening)

Abbott does his shoulder (needs reco) - sent back onto the field

Tim Broomhead does a serious shoulder injury (might need surgery) - sent back onto the field

Ben Sinclair carefully managed for 3 quarters of game time - sent onto the field in the last because the game was in the balance and ends up missing the next 1-2 weeks.

There are many other examples too, like Cloke coming into a match with a dodgy calf then tearing it in the first 5 mins.. but hey, we could go on forever and it's beyond doubt anyway that the Collingwood medical staff are simply beyond question (because we don't have medical degrees ).

And that's my rant done for the day

 

[anshell]

The ongoing injuries to Freeman and Scharenberg has been a huge blow to the club's development.Both of these players should be regular players now that they're in their second year at the club,yet neither one has played a single game yet.I really think that the club would be much further along its rebuild if these two players had become established senior players by now.

 

[Scodog10]

It will be interesting to see how long Cloke will be out for.

I agree your previous post - Ramsay's injury is absurd, what was meant to be a week or two out with a sore shin ends up being a year long injury. I've never seen anything like Freeman either.

It's a frustration because it's left him barely more advanced than Freeman. He'll be entering his 4th season next year with just 7 senior games and maybe 15 VFL matches under his belt (due to the bad wrist injury in 2013). The extra 10-15 matches would have been crucial this year, but he's been Mr. Invisible since ANZAC day...

There's been a lot go our way this year and even with a drop off over the final 2 months the improvement is there, but we need to get this area spot on because we can give top 4 a shake in 2016 if we do, IMO.

 

[ClaytonM]

Something else everyone forgets

Luke Ball does his ACL - sent back onto the field (first time I've ever seen or heard of that happening)

Abbott does his shoulder (needs reco) - sent back onto the field

Tim Broomhead does a serious shoulder injury (might need surgery) - sent back onto the field

Ben Sinclair carefully managed for 3 quarters of game time - sent onto the field in the last because the game was in the balance and ends up missing the next 1-2 weeks.

There are many other examples too, like Cloke coming into a match with a dodgy calf then tearing it in the first 5 mins.. but hey, we could go on forever and it's beyond doubt anyway that the Collingwood medical staff are simply beyond question (because we don't have medical degrees ).

And that's my rant done for the day

You do live in the perfect world of hindsight where nobody makes a mistake.

Unfortunately the club, coach and medical staff do not live in this world. They can only act on what they know at the time. They do not have the benefit of being able to sit back and go 'gotcha' every time a perceived mistake is made. Oh to be able to live in your world.

 

[Kappa]

You do live in the perfect world of hindsight where nobody makes a mistake.

Unfortunately the club, coach and medical staff do not live in this world. They can only act on what they know at the time. They do not have the benefit of being able to sit back and go 'gotcha' every time a perceived mistake is made. Oh to be able to live in your world.

So I've managed to change your stance from "la-la-la the club is always right" to "well mistakes happen, so what?".. It's progress I guess.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

It's hard to believe he was drafted in 2013 and it's looking like 2016 before he plays a game.

I wish that was what it looked like.

 

[swoop42]

So when is he expected back in the VFL?

How long is a piece of string I guess is the answer.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

I wish that was what it looked like.

I reckon we have done our dough on him. He is finished before he has even started. Of course, I am not a great optimist at the best of times, let alone the worst. As for Reid ... at least we got some games out of him before his body disintegrated.

 

[ClaytonM]

So I've managed to change your stance from "la-la-la the club is always right" to "well mistakes happen, so what?".. It's progress I guess.

No I have always understood that mistakes are made, I just don't jump immediately to conclusions of incompetence and calls for sackings.

Overall I think the club has got most major decisions right. At times they do things that I would not in way of selections etc, but they have access to far more information than I so that is understandable. Some people just like to jump on every perceived mistake the club makes for their own amusement.

 

[Collingwoodity]

I reckon we have done our dough on him. He is finished before he has even started. Of course, I am not a great optimist at the best of times, let alone the worst. As for Reid ... at least we got some games out of him before his body disintegrated.

I used to like Manic Magpie's posts? Separate account cancelled by you?

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

I used to like Manic Magpie's posts? Separate account cancelled by you?

Not cancelled. I returned to my old username and reignited a cancelled account. Glad you liked MM's posts.

 

[jmac70]

Not cancelled. I returned to my old username and reignited a cancelled account. Glad you liked MM's posts.

I found MM to be a little too negative for my taste...TGG is a more balanced poster.