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About bloody time Lyon starts to get some credit, he's been a vital part of our attack since he debuted with his 5fa against SL.
 
DaRick said:
He was terrific in spin-friendly conditions and mediocre/serviceable otherwise. IOW, he performed the way you would expect a fingerspinner to perform (though he's close to the top of his field where that's concerned). Lyon seems to be the exception, oddly enough (better on bouncy wickets than turners).
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He had plenty of success in South Africa, New Zealand, Sri Lanka, WI, India, Bangladesh and the UAE against Pakistan. Then there's his home form, which has been terrific for most of his career, in conditions that quite often aren't great for spin. He has failed in Australia, not going to deny that. That's a great career for an off spinner.
 
BACCS said:
About bloody time Lyon starts to get some credit, he's been a vital part of our attack since he debuted with his 5fa against SL.
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I've always been in the Lyon camp, strikes me as a bit of a stoner/Paul Rieffel sort tbh which I like, but he has bowled some absolute pants at times in his career. He's learnt from it and improved though, getting hit for six doesn't seem to worry him like it used to it either, which helps a lot as a spinner. I think knowing that he is assured of his spot has freed up his bowling a lot.
 

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tomsimpkin31 said:
He had plenty of success in South Africa, New Zealand, Sri Lanka, WI, India, Bangladesh and the UAE against Pakistan. Then there's his home form, which has been terrific for most of his career, in conditions that quite often aren't great for spin. He has failed in Australia, not going to deny that. That's a great career for an off spinner.
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I'm not disagreeing with you - as I said, he did what you expect a fingerspinner to do, only better than almost every other fingerspinner. The subcontinent is traditionally spin-friendly and he took full advantage. Good on him.

To be fair as well, England quite often played to his strengths in preparing pitches at home (with the often cloudy conditions, Anderson could still be a threat regardless).

Even when the conditions didn't suit, he was generally not terrible (this Ashes series being an exception, because we took him out of the attack with maximum prejudice).
 
So I'm just going to bump this thread. He has 6 wickets until he becomes the most successful finger spinner in Australia's history.
 
Among the stand out performances by Steve Smith and Virat Kohli is the Aus v India test series just concluded, Nathan Lyon's performances have seemingly gone unnoticed, bringing up 6 centuries himself.

After today's performance, Lyon now has an inferior test bowling average and strike rate to Nathan Hauritz.

Not to mention a far inferior batting average.

A career that includes unremarkable performances in the UAE and India, in arguably the most spin conducive conditions on the planet. Lyon was lauded for bowling Australia to victory in Adelaide taking 7/152. Bear in mind the likes of Krazy Krejza was dropped after taking 8 wickets in a innings on debut.

Is it time to blood an attacking leg spinner? Take the risk and inject someone who might go for runs and take time to develop, but will hopefully bring reward with wickets. Give them a good run. Look to others than can play a holding role. The Waugh era left has a legacy of aggressiveness, yet Lyon's lack of variation, body language and fear to toss the ball out goes against the grain. Our fast bowling battery is supreme and skilled enough to keep things tight, to allow a young leg-spinner to go about developing their craft. All that might be required is a holding spin bowler. Perhaps an Adam Voges? Voges has a superior first class bowling average and strike rate to Lyon. And you get the added bonus of having a quality batsman in the side.
 
This will be interesting.
 

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Lyon took more wickets than any other bowler this series and if it wasn't for super shit campaigners in the field he would have snagged even more. All this despite every pitch being a road for all five days.
 

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Donakebab said:
Lyon took more wickets than any other bowler this series and if it wasn't for super shit campaigners in the field he would have snagged even more. All this despite every pitch being a road for all five days.
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Yeah, super shit campaigners like himself. :p
 
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Yeah, super shit campaigners like himself. :p
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Definitely one of the culprits that's for sure, was one of the worst.

Honest question, was there a player this series who didn't drop a catch?
 
Voges should have represented Australia more in all forms of the game but never as a spinner
 
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Definitely one of the culprits that's for sure! Honest question, was there a player this series who didn't drop a catch?
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Good question! Rogers, Warner? Some of the bowlers? Harris never drops any.
 
Hudu Gurusingha said:
Among the stand out performances by Steve Smith and Virat Kohli is the Aus v India test series just concluded, Nathan Lyon's performances have seemingly gone unnoticed, bringing up 6 centuries himself.

After today's performance, Lyon now has an inferior test bowling average and strike rate to Nathan Hauritz.

Not to mention a far inferior batting average.

A career that includes unremarkable performances in the UAE and India, in arguably the most spin conducive conditions on the planet. Lyon was lauded for bowling Australia to victory in Adelaide taking 7/152. Bear in mind the likes of Krazy Krejza was dropped after taking 8 wickets in a innings on debut.

Is it time to blood an attacking leg spinner? Take the risk and inject someone who might go for runs and take time to develop, but will hopefully bring reward with wickets. Give them a good run. Look to others than can play a holding role. The Waugh era left has a legacy of aggressiveness, yet Lyon's lack of variation, body language and fear to toss the ball out goes against the grain. Our fast bowling battery is supreme and skilled enough to keep things tight, to allow a young leg-spinner to go about developing their craft. All that might be required is a holding spin bowler. Perhaps an Adam Voges? Voges has a superior first class bowling average and strike rate to Lyon. And you get the added bonus of having a quality batsman in the side.
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This post makes no sense. Your main criticism seems to be that Lyon doesn't take wickets, but he took more wickets last year than any Test spinner bar Sri Lanka's duo of Herath and Perera.

Lyon's average and strike rate are mostly due to the fact that he plays on incredibly unhelpful wickets where he is required to bowl a large number of overs for the benefit of other bowlers in the team. Any other spinner you select in the side is going to have to perform the same role, so I am not sure what you expect to be different.

Australia generally doesn't have too much trouble taking 20 wickets on anything but the most unhelpful pitches. Lyon performs the job required of him extremely well, all things considered.
 
The lack of results & poor overall Bowling averages said more about the pitches.

It's not like Lyon was a standout poor performer of the bowling group. He earnt his place for the series.

However, I see him being replaced long term by a leggie once they are ready.
 

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