National Draft 23 - after this year we all need therapy

[Growapair]

The word is out that the Senior Coach needs to have a win now plan, so what type of plan do you think the new coach will have for the National Draft.

Firstly though, so proud of everyone that we have got to the last game of the season and haven't started crapping on about the Draft

But if we leave it any longer people are going to start realising it is because we are still traumatised by the fact that GWS have our Top10 pick and we want to pretend that it doesn't hurt.

Now relax, there is good news. I just have to get through a whole lot of stuff that's going to Trigger hostile feelings to get there.

Good, the only KPF that will be taken in the first round is an Academy player so we weren't getting them anyway

Trigger ...Dimma is and Walter is going to be the next Wayne Carey.

Good, the only other key forward that will go in the first round will be Nate Caddy and he isn't even as tall as Bauer, so really what's the point.

Trigger .... if Dimma hadn't been so keen to move him on Josh Caddy

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Josh Caddy

Age

31

Ht

186cm

Wt

87kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

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17.0

4star

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9.2

4star

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7.8

5star

M

3.6

4star

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3.5

5star

CL

2.5

4star

D

13.5

3star

K

7.5

3star

HB

6.0

3star

M

4.8

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1.5

2star

CL

0.7

3star

D

14.0

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10.0

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4.0

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4.2

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4.0

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1.8

4star

would have kicked 59 goals this year when Lynch went down

So let's stop the crapping on, so we can get on with telling each other who our Second Round Pick should be.

For me it should be Lloyd, (the bloke we will probably pass on with our Second Round pick to take the next Tom Brown - not that there is anything wrong with Tom) ...

Luke Lloyd​

Sandringham Dragons​

Forward, 193cm
U18 National Championships Averages: N/A

A late-season draft bolter, Lloyd missed selection for Vic Metro in the under-18 national championships after being sidelined for the early rounds of the Coates Talent League season with a quad injury that he suffered late in pre-season. However, he has drawn the attention of clubs since kicking 19 goals in a game for school team De La Salle in May, which followed a 14-goal haul in a preliminary final as a 16-year-old last year. A third-tall type of forward who also has the ability to play down back, Lloyd possesses an impressive set of hands in the air and works hard up the ground as a lead-up half-forward who links the play. When he does take a grab inside-50 he makes the most of his opportunity in front of goal more often than not. The Dragons rate Lloyd as one of the most naturally talented players on their list this year.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-draft-2023-top-40-prospects-ranked-and-profiled-as-bolters-and-sliders-emerge/news-story/8f22a442929810faad00ae24130b6a1f#swipe-45474e72d7e1b74a4f95f78ab513e92c5ed0292b

Probably should add Poll with type of player we should take, but like ...

 

[Growapair]

Should we learn from our past drafting mistakes and draft a long term key forward prospect or is it too late to find Lynch's replacement via the draft? ​

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Archer Reid​

Gippsland Power/Vic Country​

Forward, 203cm
U18 National Championships Averages: 8.8 disposals, 4.5 marks, 1 contested mark, 1 tackle, 5.5 score involvements, 1 goal, 63 ranking points (4 games)

The younger brother of Essendon defender Zach Reid, this towering Gippsland Power product plays at the other end of the ground. He is an exceptional overhead mark, reads the ball well in flight, is extremely mobile, good below his knees and has a strong natural goal sense. Having been highly-touted entering the year, Reid had a quieter than expected start to this season but has found some greater consistency over recent months. He kicked 2.2 from eight disposals and seven marks for Vic Country in the final match of the under-18 national championships and booted seven goals from two games after returning to the Power in the Coates Talent League. While Reid isn’t ready to step straight into the AFL next year he could provide a club with some serious long-term rewards.

 

[Growapair]

MATURE age:

Josh Chatfield, Mutaz El Nour and Bailey Van De Heuvel are among another 35 prospects to be invited to test at the AFL's state Draft Combines in October.

We went with Trezise at Mid Season, do we like El Nour to be picked up at the end of the year?

 

[Growapair]

Father-Son:

Charlie Naish missed Vic Metro selection but his form at Northern Knights
and his private school footy have been class, culminating in a bag of five goals in the yearly Representatives Associated Grammars against Associated Privates Match, which makes his selection by Richmond a highlight to look forward to at this years draft.

 

[rfctigerarmy]

I hope we get another undersized HBF / wingman

 

[Tigerbob]

I hope we get another undersized HBF / wingman

A Matty Clarke special as I call it.

 

[Dr Tigris]

HBF
HBF
HBF

I reckon it's just highest talent with oru first, if they can be AFL B+ or better.

After that we need a KPF - you don't really get good ones late. So I'd be trying to get skilled players and/or hard running hard nuts thereafter.

 

[Growapair]

With Broad into the later stages of his career, a forward we could turn into a defender seems like a path our recruiting team may go. If he is still on the board at our Second Round pick LOGAN MORRIS looks a player that fits the Stand Rule era.



Position: Medium forward/defender

Size: 192cm

Clubs: Western Jets/Werribee Districts

Now in the top 20 mix for some clubs after showing off his versatility for Vic Metro. The 192cm prospect played the first two games down back before being swung forward for the final two games, which is his natural habitat. Morris against WA kicked 4.1 from 16 disposals, while he also plucked 11 marks (five contested) as he showed off his elite hands and improved his aerobic capacity. He was well held against Vic Country, but it was a rare slip-up after a strong body of work over the past 18 months, personified by his 52 goals for the Jets in the Talent League.

AFL Draft 2023 Rankings: Gap between Reid and the rest closes as father-son guns boost prospects

Gap between best and rest closes; father-son guns surge: Top 30 draft rankings revealed

www.foxsports.com.au

 

[Growapair]

Small Forward Slider

Having been ranked as Number 2 earlier in the year Ashton Moir has slid and kept sliding in rankings, especially when he struggled to hit the scoreboard at Nationals, could be available for the Tigers to evaluate whether he can find the Magic at AFL level



Ashton Moir
Glenelg/South Australia
FWD, 188cm, 84kg
Moir has slid simply due to his lack of consistency to date. He hasn't impacted at AFL Academy level, and struggled to have any meaningful influence against the Allies with one soccered goal and another 'almost' performance. His talent is unquestionable - no prospect can stop on a dime, kick on both feet and pick out the goals from anywhere inside 50 like the mercurial forward. It's just a case of putting it all together for Moir.

Plays like: Jack Lukosius

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Jack Lukosius

Age

24

Ht

195cm

Wt

91kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.8

4star

K

11.5

4star

HB

3.3

3star

M

3.4

3star

T

1.8

4star

MG

369.3

5star

D

14.8

4star

K

11.5

4star

HB

3.3

2star

M

3.4

3star

T

1.8

3star

MG

369.3

5star

D

13.6

4star

K

11.2

4star

HB

2.4

3star

M

4.2

4star

T

2.2

4star

MG

358.0

5star

Source ESPN

 

[Coach_Required]

With Broad into the later stages of his career, a forward we could turn into a defender seems like a path our recruiting team may go. If he is still on the board at our Second Round pick LOGAN MORRIS looks a player that fits the Stand Rule era.

Position: Medium forward/defender

Size: 192cm

Clubs: Western Jets/Werribee Districts

Now in the top 20 mix for some clubs after showing off his versatility for Vic Metro. The 192cm prospect played the first two games down back before being swung forward for the final two games, which is his natural habitat. Morris against WA kicked 4.1 from 16 disposals, while he also plucked 11 marks (five contested) as he showed off his elite hands and improved his aerobic capacity. He was well held against Vic Country, but it was a rare slip-up after a strong body of work over the past 18 months, personified by his 52 goals for the Jets in the Talent League.

AFL Draft 2023 Rankings: Gap between Reid and the rest closes as father-son guns boost prospects

Gap between best and rest closes; father-son guns surge: Top 30 draft rankings revealed

www.foxsports.com.au

Too tall, need another 187cm half back flanker.

 

[geelongrecruit5]

Too tall, need another 187cm half back flanker.

He’ll go first round without a doubt based on his recent performances

 

[SunshineBoy]

When’s our first pick? We need a kpf

 

[Wooden Robot]

I hope we get another undersized HBF / wingman

Odds of $1.01 for your $1 outlay.

 

[sanaya]

Small Forward Slider

Having been ranked as Number 2 earlier in the year Ashton Moir is solid and kept sliding in rankings, especially when he struggled to hit the scoreboard at Nationals, could be available for the Tigers to evaluate whether he can find the Magic at AFL level



Ashton Moir
Glenelg/South Australia
FWD, 188cm, 84kg
Moir has slid simply due to his lack of consistency to date. He hasn't impacted at AFL Academy level, and struggled to have any meaningful influence against the Allies with one soccered goal and another 'almost' performance. His talent is unquestionable - no prospect can stop on a dime, kick on both feet and pick out the goals from anywhere inside 50 like the mercurial forward. It's just a case of putting it all together for Moir.

Plays like: Jack Lukosius
Source ESPN

haven't followed the draft at all but i love his style, although just read up about his workrate issues

i'd still go for him as at this point i just don't want to draft a half back flanker or a small forward. and im assuming at the point in the draft that we'll have picks, there'll be no worthwhile KPF prospects and why not just pick the dude off talent assuming he passes all the interviews and evaluations our recruiters give him

would love a player like him roaming the wings, but i'm guessing he doesn't have much of a tank if there's workrate issues

 

[Growapair]

Small - Medium Forward

Not quite the next Castagna but Sanchez shares equally strong marking, ground ball and tackling characteristics as the former Richmond and soon to be Gold Coast Sun.

Definitely missed from the Tigers forward line this season, it definitely would make sense to draft his replacement though Koen also shares George's erratic results in front of goal.

Koen Sanchez​

East Fremantle/Western Australia​

Midfielder-Forward, 176cm
U18 National Championships Averages: 17.8 disposals, 4.8 marks, 3.5 clearances, 2 inside-50s, 3.5 tackles, 6 score involvements, 1.5 goals, 102 ranking points (4 games)

A speedy half-forward or wingman, Sanchez has climbed up club draft boards on the back of an eye-catching national championships campaign for Western Australia. He had been playing significant midfield time in the WAFL Colts, but featured primarily across half-forward during the national championships and was able to show his forward craft, clean hands and ability to hit the scoreboard. Sanchez’ goalkicking accuracy of 35.3 per cent was the only thing that let him down during the tournament, but recruiters loved his speed, energy and lateral movement and believe he is ready to go at the next level as a high half-forward. Sanchez has played some super footy for East Fremantle’s Colts across the year and has also featured for the club’s reserves in the second half of the season.

 

[Sir_Loin]

Small - Medium Forward

Not quite the next Castagna but Sanchez shares equally strong marking, ground ball and tackling characteristics as the former Richmond and soon to be Gold Coast Sun.

Definitely missed from the Tigers forward line this season, it definitely would make sense to draft his replacement though Koen also shares George's erratic results in front of goal.

Koen Sanchez​

East Fremantle/Western Australia​

Midfielder-Forward, 176cm
U18 National Championships Averages: 17.8 disposals, 4.8 marks, 3.5 clearances, 2 inside-50s, 3.5 tackles, 6 score involvements, 1.5 goals, 102 ranking points (4 games)

A speedy half-forward or wingman, Sanchez has climbed up club draft boards on the back of an eye-catching national championships campaign for Western Australia. He had been playing significant midfield time in the WAFL Colts, but featured primarily across half-forward during the national championships and was able to show his forward craft, clean hands and ability to hit the scoreboard. Sanchez’ goalkicking accuracy of 35.3 per cent was the only thing that let him down during the tournament, but recruiters loved his speed, energy and lateral movement and believe he is ready to go at the next level as a high half-forward. Sanchez has played some super footy for East Fremantle’s Colts across the year and has also featured for the club’s reserves in the second half of the season.

At 176cm I think it’s safe to assume he’s a small forward.

I’d take him just because of his surname. There’s an embarrassing lack of Sanchezs in the AFL.

 

[Growapair]

At 176cm I think it’s safe to assume he’s a small forward.

I’d take him just because of his surname. There’s an embarrassing lack of Sanchezs in the AFL.

Small marking forward?

 

[Sir_Loin]

Small marking forward?

True. Have seen baker play CHF and dominate before

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

The first round picks we get for Prestia and Dustin going to Gold Coast we should use on a kpf , 2 x Midfielder and a ruckman

 

[juss]

Can almost guarantee numerous amounts of our picks will be left field players under 184cm.

 

[Tiger2709]

At 176cm I think it’s safe to assume he’s a small forward.

I’d take him just because of his surname. There’s an embarrassing lack of Sanchezs in the AFL.

Will it be considered racist if we all turn up in sombreros yelling arriba, arriba andale, andale?

 

[Growapair]

Midfield slider

We are seeing this year that Jack Ross

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Jack Ross

Age

24

Ht

187cm

Wt

87kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.2

4star

K

7.8

3star

HB

8.4

5star

M

2.2

2star

T

2.7

4star

CL

3.0

4star

D

13.7

3star

K

6.7

3star

HB

7.0

4star

M

1.7

2star

T

1.7

3star

CL

2.0

4star

D

17.8

5star

K

8.0

3star

HB

9.8

5star

M

2.6

3star

T

2.8

5star

CL

3.0

5star

was better than a late second round talent and Cooper Simpson is another midfielder that has missed top age Vic Metro due to injury, but as Captain of Dandenong Stingrays he shares many similarities to Ross which could include sliding to our second round pick



(Dandenong Stingrays/Vic Country)
Midfielder | 182cm | 76kg | 13/02/2005

Simpson’s case is a curious one. Recruiters were keen to see him develop in 2023 having been one of the Dandenong Stingrays’ top performers in their run to last year’s NAB League Grand Final.

This year, he was named as co-captain and has been touted internally as a young man with great character. That, and his bottom-age feats have kept him in recruiters’ minds despite a top-age campaign which has lacked the same form and consistency, largely due to injuries.

Simpson returned to the Talent League last week on a wing, but will hope to gradually recapture last year’s magic as a clean and classy midfielder-forward. Should he end the year strongly, he could re-establish himself as a first round candidate, but is arguably outside that range at the moment.

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[Sir_Loin]

Midfield slider

We are seeing this year that Jack Ross was better than a late second round talent and Cooper Simpson is another midfielder that has missed top age Vic Metro due to injury, but as Captain of Dandenong Stingrays he shares many similarities to Ross which could include sliding to our second round pick



(Dandenong Stingrays/Vic Country)
Midfielder | 182cm | 76kg | 13/02/2005

Simpson’s case is a curious one. Recruiters were keen to see him develop in 2023 having been one of the Dandenong Stingrays’ top performers in their run to last year’s NAB League Grand Final.

This year, he was named as co-captain and has been touted internally as a young man with great character. That, and his bottom-age feats have kept him in recruiters’ minds despite a top-age campaign which has lacked the same form and consistency, largely due to injuries.

Simpson returned to the Talent League last week on a wing, but will hope to gradually recapture last year’s magic as a clean and classy midfielder-forward. Should he end the year strongly, he could re-establish himself as a first round candidate, but is arguably outside that range at the moment.

Bargain Hunting: The 2023 AFL Draft sliders

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central.rookieme.com

Jack Ross was one of the best bargain picks of all time. This kid looks pretty good. Nice disposal and good around the contest.

 

[Growapair]

Attacking small forward

Phoenix Gothard
Forward179cm, 70kg
Phoenix, instead of rising, has remained around #40 ranking throughout the year.

His lateral movement is impressive, reminds me of Stengle, in his ability to avoid the tackle. It is his ability to find space inside and outside the forward 50 that would fit both the Stand Rule era, with the footskills if Banks, Brown, Rioli and Short coming out if the back half, will continually provide leading options to space

A small forward who zigs zags and energises inside 50. Gothard’s able to break through tackles and makes the most of his opportunities when he has his hands on the football.

Has played the last two weeks before the Championships for the Allies and kicked a goal in each game, including a bender from the boundary line to show his opportunism against Western Australia.

(Though a Murray Bushranger, being from Albury he is in the Giants Zone, but since 2017 this has been a Next Gen Academy only. I do not believe Phoenix has the First Nations heritage required to have been added to their program)

As Coach Brown of the Bushrangers said to the Herald Sun earlier in the year.

He trialled at 16 and 17 and was very small but he’s grown a bit and has exceptional acceleration, great lateral movement, takes the game on and kicks goals

Though he is heading to the National Combine, where he will produce some blistering numbers for speed and agility, still likely to slide due to his absence from the National Championships and the Murray Bushrangers terrible season with only 3 wins but would be a steal in the late third or fourth round, as Dan Butler was, if he lasts that far.

 

[Hank Heavenly]

anything under 190cm, do not apply