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[Bay62]

this might come across real harsh

however whether it's Dew or someone else can a Coach in Dew's physical shape push Elite Training Standards?

You mean compared to a coach who surfs, rides his bike to work, is a teetotaller, gets into work at 6, then works out and is overall fitter than most blokes his age?

Tough call..

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

That's not the coaches main responsibility, but the fitness staff.

I know what your saying however it still doesn't look and feel right

 

[Kenneth Tron]

Good call...

I understand my opinion is weak

You don't need to downplay your views like this. Keep getting stuck in.

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

You don't need to downplay your views like this. Keep getting stuck in.

agree

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

Good call...

I understand my opinion is weak

C44

FWIW I was just challenging your thinking and in the process getting you to do so as well

keep contributing

 

[NikkiNoo]

I know what your saying however it still doesn't look and feel right

It's this national past time we seem to have in this country with an obsession that coaches can only be good if they have done it themselves at a top level and still can do things. That is so far from what makes a good successful coach.

 

[Crouch#44]

We need a coach that can get our players to get physical and hard at it...

We lack push, shove & mongrel
Tudor will deliver that

Pyke IMO is a hybrid of Craig & sando

 

[Wood_Duck]

It's this national past time we seem to have in this country with an obsession that coaches can only be good if they have done it themselves at a top level and still can do things. That is so far from what makes a good successful coach.

Your evidence?

Which successful AFL coach did not have an AFL career? I reckon you should ask some players what the first thing they look for in a coach is.

 

[AmericanCrow]

It's this national past time we seem to have in this country with an obsession that coaches can only be good if they have done it themselves at a top level and still can do things. That is so far from what makes a good successful coach.

Agreed. However, I would say that what helps a coach become successful is quality players first and foremost.

Whoever they decide upon does not have a bare cupboard to work with.

 

[dogs105]

Your evidence?

Which successful AFL coach did not have an AFL career? I reckon you should ask some players what the first thing they look for in a coach is.

This is akin to saying there are no women in top jobs, because if they can't do it. We know they can't do it, Because they haven't done it.

The point was, in other sports, you don't need to have been a great player, but actually be a good coach. Aussie Rules clubs generally only give jobs to ex-players - hence it is hard to point out a successful non-ex-player.

 

[NikkiNoo]

Your evidence?

Which successful AFL coach did not have an AFL career? I reckon you should ask some players what the first thing they look for in a coach is.

When I said top level I meant not just playing at the highest playing level, but being one of the best players in that level. Apologies for not making that clearer.

For evidence, only look at Voss, Buckley, Hird and Roo. Four outstanding players who people all talked about coaching post career and kept pushing to happen. Out of that four, one is smart enough to not want to coach/know that is not his strength. One is going okay but there is still a little question mark regarding his own abilities versus what he took over / strength of the list. The other two were disasters for their clubs.

Bolton is going to be interesting to watch as he never played AFL, yet Hawthorn players talk about the respect they hold for him and that he is the coach who has wielded the 'big stick' at the club more than the angry man in Clarkson.

Most of the topline coaches were decent/okay backline players interestingly enough. Very few top line football coaches were the outstanding players, which is what most people talking about footy think is what is required.

I've been involved in coaching another sport and my family is still involved coaching at a very high level. I've observed some amazing top line coaches that never competed for their country at the highest level, but oh boy do they have the respect of their athletes.

Athletes sometimes are not the best judge of what a good coach is.

 

[NikkiNoo]

This is akin to saying there are no women in top jobs, because if they can't do it. We know they can't do it, Because they haven't done it.

The point was, in other sports, you don't need to have been a great player, but actually be a good coach. Aussie Rules clubs generally only give jobs to ex-players - hence it is hard to point out a successful non-ex-player.

At least Saint Kilda have recognised that gender isn't the be all and end all of ability to coach football.

Look at my own sport of gymnastics - in Women's Gymnastics it is rare to find a female coach at the Olympic level. There are more men who coach successful Women's Gymnastics (which I sometimes find a little bit hinky at times considering the age of the girls involved).

I still love the quote from Bela Karolyi when he was first interviewed after arriving in the US to coach the US Women's team. A journalist talked about how he was going to cope in the US because of other sports like Football being considered more 'important' to a US audience. His response was "If gymnastics was easy, it would be called Football".

 

[dogs105]

At least Saint Kilda have recognised that gender isn't the be all and end all of ability to coach football.

Look at my own sport of gymnastics - in Women's Gymnastics it is rare to find a female coach at the Olympic level. There are more men who coach successful Women's Gymnastics (which I sometimes find a little bit hinky at times considering the age of the girls involved).

I still love the quote from Bela Karolyi when he was first interviewed after arriving in the US to coach the US Women's team. A journalist talked about how he was going to cope in the US because of other sports like Football being considered more 'important' to a US audience. His response was "If gymnastics was easy, it would be called Football".

A - i had to look up 'hinky'
B - No wonder there are so few male JP teachers with attitudes like that

 

[Freddy Bassett]

We need a coach that can get our players to get physical and hard at it...

We lack push, shove & mongrel
Tudor will deliver that

Pyke IMO is a hybrid of Craig & sando

I know little about Pyke...
I do know the only time Adelaide under Craig was tactically superior to the competiton was when Pyke was the the club..
And West Coast this year have been as tactically as impressive as any team I remember... Pyke supposedly has a big hand in that..

 

[Pugsley]

it may have been the case however these processes are designed to put you under pressure, lets not forget that Bolton and Dew were also participating in finals and had to prepare for the AFC process, this in itself shines the light on your planning skills

Also interesting that Burns has missed a couple of roles after the AFC application

I think he is at risk of being branded as a bloody good assistant but not a senior coach

Good enough for the reserves but can't make the next step up.

 

[Big Gazoongas]

We need a coach that can get our players to get physical and hard at it...

We lack push, shove & mongrel
Tudor will deliver that

Pyke IMO is a hybrid of Craig & sando

Agree.
This is what I want an the very top of the list.

 

[Juveroo]

I honestly have no idea about Don Pike or what his abilities are. The Only thing I know is that for so long we have not been a side that is considered to be led by a coach who is tactically superior to other coaches in the AFL. With Walshy we got that but obviously under tragic circumstances we find our selves in the same situation again. I just hope that whoever is selected as the next Senior Coach of the AFC is someone with an elite tactical mind

 

[NikkiNoo]

A - i had to look up 'hinky'
B - No wonder there are so few male JP teachers with attitudes like that

It's the way certain of them interact that there are issues and cause my hinky factor to ramp up seeing it. Others are amazing coaches.

Unfortunately search the history of male gymnastic coaches and issues in the former eastern bloc country gymnasts. There are some horrible things that happened to those young girls - Olga Korbut is the prime example and so many people don't want to listen to what she has said. I have contacts within the international gymnastics community still a little bit and some of the things that still occur are not good But the chance for your child to be fed, have a stipend for life if they are successful... I can understand why a parent might make that decision not realising what really is in store for the child/young adult.

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

We need a coach that can get our players to get physical and hard at it...

We lack push, shove & mongrel
Tudor will deliver that

Pyke IMO is a hybrid of Craig & sando

so your comments on Tudor is based on seeing him at one training session

your comments on Pkye, what do you base this on, didn't you admit that you know very little about Pyke?

 

[DJ75]

Confident we have Pyke locked and loaded. He has a brother that lives in Adelaide as well - is a physio.

I'm more interested in who else is on the coaching panel.

Do we get Lade? (That's what she said)
Does Glass move full time?

Could we add someone that can install a warrior attitude - a thus V them stick it up em character? M Williams anyone?

If we really want a flag and not more middle of the table, we need to go for it and stop playing safe.

 

[Crouch#44]

so your comments on Tudor is based on seeing him at one training session

your comments on Pkye, what do you base this on, didn't you admit that you know very little about Pyke?

Only gathering what I read or press videos and general here say!

My option is from that point, weak yes but I can't book a coffee with pyke to get to know him

 

[footy4ever]

Talking to a clubs coach isn't against any rules. That isn't why we had a go at Essendon.

We asked them not to talk to Worsfold during our finals campaign and they said they wouldn't and then did it anyway.

The ****ers.

 

[footy4ever]

So Worsfold doesn't want the gig.. hed rather go coach a rabble and basket case at Essendon. Campo isn't keen.. so hmm who does that leave? Pyke and Burns? So the players will have to learn a new style yet again.. SIGH

Everybody has their price.

 

[AmericanCrow]

Everybody has their price.

Yes they do--but if that is the reason they are coming trust me we don't want them.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Imagine him having a crack at someone for their skin folds.

He'd probably be less impressed with VB than some of our previous coaches.

Would value other qualities.