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Adelaide Hawk said:
I agree with this. Time in the middle is far more valuable than any amount of time spent in the nets.

I would like to know why Carey and Johnson aren't playing Sheffield Shield this weekend. Carey could do with some batting time in the middle and Steve Johnson came back and played a T20 final for his local club last Sunday. Are we to deduce that Johnson is unable to bowl more than 4 overs in an innings?
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Quick recovery for Steve Johnson after stabbing himself
 
Adelaide Hawk said:
And probably won't play. And what's Carey's excuse?
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Maybe that he's played 14 test matches in the last 12 months, plus several white ball tours, and given there's another test tour in a few weeks time, a week at home with his family might actually be good for him?
 

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Around the Wicket said:
I've been watching them on Kayo, all the pitches are too green, especially when so many young batsmen are getting a start.
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  • People whinge about Junction being too flat
  • Junction adds a bit of life in the pitch
  • People complain that Junction is too green

Not a dig, just a bit funny
 
eth-dog said:
  • People whinge about Junction being too flat
  • Junction adds a bit of life in the pitch
  • People complain that Junction is too green

Not a dig, just a bit funny
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Not just that pitch, shield pitches in generally, There has been 14 sub 200 all outs and only 8 400+ scores this season.
 
Around the Wicket said:
Not just that pitch, shield pitches in generally, There has been 14 sub 200 all outs and only 8 400+ scores this season.
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frankly I love it.. the good kids are made to work harder to get runs.. 18 months ago Nathan McSweeney wasn't even in the Shiel conversation yet here we are, hard work, discipline and the runs are flowing to the point he is probably the next in line for a Baggu Green in that middle order.
 
Mostyn said:
Teague Wyllie and Campbell Kellaway both failing this weekend. Disappointing.
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I spoke to a former first class player during the week and asked him about younger players struggling at Shield level, or taking years to reach the level.

He said that people firstly underestimate how tough Shield cricket is. Whether it's quite as strong as previously or not, it's still a tough competition to succeed in.

He also said that young batters have their technique probed as they never have before at lower levels. Footage of their dismissals to find weaknesses is pored over, scoring avenues closed off.

Young bowlers find the margin for error suddenly shrinks. Anything slightly full, short, wide gets punished whereas at under-age levels they'd get away with it. Bowlers who had success by being slightly taller/quicker than their peers suddenly find those advantages non-existent. They also find it tough adjusting to 90 over days, multiple spells, four days of cricket in a row. Physically they can't back up.

He also said that some struggle to maintain life balance. Up to U19 level there's almost forced life balance due to school and winter sport. Then they are cut adrift and cricket suddenly occupies 100% of their focus, 12 months of the year. They obsess over it, tinker endlessly with their technique, over think things. Don't get a break. In some cases actually grow to resent the game they loved if there's not immediate success.

There's also the transition from sport as something fun you do vs sport as your career livelihood with your contract and wage dependant on your performances.
 

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If teams are winning the toss and bowling first I don't think that's a great pitch

Teams only occasionally choose to bowl first at test level. They're playing a different game.

The rule change to no first innings point has meant states prepare wickets where 20 (40) wickets will definitely fall.
 
Yoda_ said:
frankly I love it.. the good kids are made to work harder to get runs.. 18 months ago Nathan McSweeney wasn't even in the Shiel conversation yet here we are, hard work, discipline and the runs are flowing to the point he is probably the next in line for a Baggu Green in that middle order.
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It's a very fine line though. If you have it too difficult to bat then very few very younger batsmen are going to be able to develop good techniques, especially nowadays. England and New Zealand have had this problem to an extent.
 
Hussey has advocated for flatter shield decks in commentary for a number of years. His argument been that young players will benefit far more from batting long innings on flattish decks rather than short innings on challenging decks where they are basically guaranteed to eventually get an unplayable ball with their name on it before they have even got in. I was only young in the late 90's/early 2000's during the "golden era" but my memory of shield pitches then is that they were much flatter than most of the pitches now. Separated the quality bowlers from the plodders too, plenty of good bowlers still averaged low 20's then too.
 
toml said:
Hussey has advocated for flatter shield decks in commentary for a number of years. His argument been that young players will benefit far more from batting long innings on flattish decks rather than short innings on challenging decks where they are basically guaranteed to eventually get an unplayable ball with their name on it before they have even got in. I was only young in the late 90's/early 2000's during the "golden era" but my memory of shield pitches then is that they were much flatter than most of the pitches now.
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There should be a balance, but they do need to be flatter. We should be seeing scores of 350 plus regularly.
At the moment we are seeing 250.
 

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toml said:
Hussey has advocated for flatter shield decks in commentary for a number of years. His argument been that young players will benefit far more from batting long innings on flattish decks rather than short innings on challenging decks where they are basically guaranteed to eventually get an unplayable ball with their name on it before they have even got in. I was only young in the late 90's/early 2000's during the "golden era" but my memory of shield pitches then is that they were much flatter than most of the pitches now.
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Didn't need to develop young bowlers when you had Warne in the side.
 
Drugs Are Bad Mackay? said:
If teams are winning the toss and bowling first I don't think that's a great pitch

Teams only occasionally choose to bowl first at test level. They're playing a different game.

The rule change to no first innings point has meant states prepare wickets where 20 (40) wickets will definitely fall.
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The rule change was unnecessary IMHO
 
western royboy said:
The rule change was unnecessary IMHO
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It's made for more entertaining matches but I'm not sure it's producing better test cricketers

Given the crowds, I'm not sure a focus on entertainment is necessary
 
Drugs Are Bad Mackay? said:
It's made for more entertaining matches but I'm not sure it's producing better test cricketers

Given the crowds, I'm not sure a focus on entertainment is necessary
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I haven’t been to the Shield for probably 7-8 years - I just don’t have the time. When I did it was to watch the next Test player, I could not tell you who that is.

“Entertaining” Shield Games will not produce Test Batsmen.

Surely it’s not hard to work that out at at CA?
 

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