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OneEyedPie7

OneEyedPie7

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I am going to get shot to pieces for this but atm my pick for skipper would be Nick Maxwell. The boy bleeds black and white, his body is the teams and this was evident last friday. The boy didnt win mountains of the ball but used his body as a battering ram in every contest. His persona is also fit for the postion in my book, I have heard him speak to the media many times and I fell he does a very adequate job. Your captain doesnt neccesarily have to be your club's best player, why put pressure on your stars like Jimmy Clement and Josh Fraser and let them play football. My summarising point is that Maxwell atm looks the most likely to take his game to the next level with the inquisition of the captaincy and if this move paid off we could have a domino affect on the rest of the side, let's be risky on this one.
 
I would pick Maxwell in a hearbeat if he was a better player. But H.Shaw is just as brave and is more dynamic as a player and much better as a player. I'd give it to him. Although I'm not sure if he's ready to take on a role yet, perhaps he wasn't given a leadership role because he is 'one of the boys' and too much of a clown? All excuses I've pulled out of my clacker but he is known as one of the funniest men at the club but I think he isn't in the leadership group because he's played 1 good year and they want him to concentrate on the footy.
 
Jabso said:
I would pick Maxwell in a hearbeat if he was a better player. But H.Shaw is just as brave and is more dynamic as a player and much better as a player. I'd give it to him. Although I'm not sure if he's ready to take on a role yet, perhaps he wasn't given a leadership role because he is 'one of the boys' and too much of a clown? All excuses I've pulled out of my clacker but he is known as one of the funniest men at the club but I think he isn't in the leadership group because he's played 1 good year and they want him to concentrate on the footy.
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I think hes a fair way off captaincy yet imo, your right let him develop and play consistent footy first, your query with Maxwell is plausible yes, but as I mentioned before your skipper doesn't neccesarily have to be your best player. If he has the respect of the team and they will play for him you would be mad to not give him the position. I just feel we need a change from the norm of giving it to the best player on the team, If we are building a new wave of players to bring us the holy grail, why not break some of the stratas and complement this new wave about the team. That doesnt mean to say I discount Buckley's role as skipper, he has been a great leader for the club, actually one of the best, his professionalism and passion for the guernsy are second to none.
 
I agree with jabso's comments on this.

Maxwell is thoroughly deserving as a leader, but simply not that player yet. Heath Shaw is only 21, so we will have to wait you would expect. Ben Johnson seems more and more likely the next role as captain I think. He has explained to the media he wants to take the role and has already skippered the side before (NAB Cup).
 

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Lonie_from_50 said:
I agree with jabso's comments on this.

Maxwell is thoroughly deserving as a leader, but simply not that player yet. Heath Shaw is only 21, so we will have to wait you would expect. Ben Johnson seems more and more likely the next role as captain I think. He has explained to the media he wants to take the role and has already skippered the side before (NAB Cup).
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I have heard that Benny Johnson is an absolute nuff nuff and with his previous indiscretions would they choose him?
 
OneEyedPie7 said:
I am going to get shot to pieces for this but atm my pick for skipper would be Nick Maxwell. The boy bleeds black and white, his body is the teams and this was evident last friday. The boy didnt win mountains of the ball but used his body as a battering ram in every contest. His persona is also fit for the postion in my book, I have heard him speak to the media many times and I fell he does a very adequate job. Your captain doesnt neccesarily have to be your club's best player, why put pressure on your stars like Jimmy Clement and Josh Fraser and let them play football. My summarising point is that Maxwell atm looks the most likely to take his game to the next level with the inquisition of the captaincy and if this move paid off we could have a domino affect on the rest of the side, let's be risky on this one.
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IMO it depends greatly on when Bucks decides to hang up the boots, if at the end of this year (let's hope not) then Jimmy is the man. If we can get a couple more seasons out of Bucks then I feel Josh is more than capable of shouldering the extra responsibility. I do not discount your opinion that Max could do the job, but I feel Josh is a better choice.
 
I agree with you Pie. Maxwell should be the next captain of Collingwood.
Hard nut, mature head. Future leader of the backline. Always known for standing up for his players. NEVER shys away from any contest. No indiscretions. Already shows great leadership. Leave the superstar role for the star player, and leave the captaincy to the player with Maxwell's attributes.
 
I can't believe that you people are seriously nominated maxwell as the next captain. You guys have serious rocks in your head.

As much as I like Maxwell, he is so overrated on these boards its not funny. Like what has he really done. He's stil developing as a players, and yes he has done good things, but he has not strung one good season together to date, and you need to do more then put on one or two good hip and shoulders a season to be a good captain.

If we were to make maxwell captain, he would clearly be the worst captain in the league, by a fair margin as well.

Like seriously, can you see Maxwell lifting the team when in need?

I reckon Clement should definately be the next captain, and after that perhaps Ben Johnston or Heath Shaw.
 
Lestat said:
I can't believe that you people are seriously nominated maxwell as the next captain. You guys have serious rocks in your head.

As much as I like Maxwell, he is so overrated on these boards its not funny. Like what has he really done. He's stil developing as a players, and yes he has done good things, but he has not strung one good season together to date, and you need to do more then put on one or two good hip and shoulders a season to be a good captain.

If we were to make maxwell captain, he would clearly be the worst captain in the league, by a fair margin as well.

Like seriously, can you see Maxwell lifting the team when in need?

I reckon Clement should definately be the next captain, and after that perhaps Ben Johnston or Heath Shaw.
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Clement is on the wrong side of 30, we need a leader for a number of years not a few. Ben Johnson's name is mentioned alot but really he doesnt set the example we need and from all accounts is the one really with rocks in his head. Heath Shaw yes but that is alot of pressure to put on a 21 year old who really has only played one solid season of footy.
 
OneEyedPie7 said:
Clement is on the wrong side of 30, we need a leader for a number of years not a few. Ben Johnson's name is mentioned alot but really he doesnt set the example we need and from all accounts is the one really with rocks in his head. Heath Shaw yes but that is alot of pressure to put on a 21 year old who really has only played one solid season of footy.
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Perhaps, however, as it stands now, Maxwell is neither good enough, nor inspiring enough to be captain.

Clement should be captain over our transition period. He's still got a couple of years in him, perhaps then, if Maxwell has strung together a couple of good solid seasons, with a vast improvement, then perhaps then he can step into the role.

Right now he is no where near a captain.

How bout Didak...
 
Noticed Dane Swan's name hasn't been mentioned yet? Does anyone think he's up to it? (I personally think Shaw would be ahead of him anyway).
Who would be more likely for future cap, Pendle or Daisy?

Cheers
 
waveofthefuture said:
Noticed Dane Swan's name hasn't been mentioned yet? Does anyone think he's up to it? (I personally think Shaw would be ahead of him anyway).
Who would be more likely for future cap, Pendle or Daisy?

Cheers
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Don't think Swan has the necessary leadership skills, however, that can change in a couple of years.

Hard to tell with Pendles or Daisy, haven't been in the system long enough. Will need to see over the next couple of seasons how they stand up under pressure, there leadership skills, and there ability to lift the team.
 

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I would make Clement the captain if he's looking at playing another 2 years.

I think it is too early for much of our younger crop to take the reigns. While guys like Josh Fraser and Ben Johnson are the intermediate candidates, I'd rather have Clement take the reigns for 2 years, and then be able to pick a more suitable long-term captain.

In 2 year's time, we should have a much clearer picture of whether guys like Nick Maxwell, Heath Shaw, Dale Thomas and Martin Clarke :)p) have the kind of leadership potential that we are looking for in a captain.
 
He doesnt get enough of the footy....people talk about being a leader on and off the field, showing the courage, determination and pride in the jumper...but leadership is also about doing stuff With the footy, directing traffic, setting up plays etc. Nick is great at the crash and bash, great in the contest...but he just doesnt get it enough.
 

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Maxwell isn’t a good enough player to be captain yet and while I like him as a player I am not sure he ever will be. Heath Shaw has future captain written all over him IMO but it is too early. I wouldn’t complain about Ben Johnson being made captain if he could handle the media and the spotlight a bit better. I don’t have a problem with a bloke that gets into fights defending his mates and his club as Ben has done a couple of time. It does expose the club a bit but we can take the odd PR hit in the name of onfield leadership and respect of team mates. Fraser is classy and handles the media well but he is not quite hard enough for a big man. Outside of Buckley, Burns and Clement who are all nearing the end we don’t have an obvious good captain right now.

If Buckley retired to morrow I’d make Burns captain for the rest of the year and then give it to Clement for 2008 and if he plays in 2009 for another year. Then Heat might be ready but he still has a bit of improving as a player and requires a bit of public speaking training. Don't rule Thomas down the track either. I love the way he goes about it.

It is all academic though. I'd bet anything Fraser is given the gig next.
 
James Clement. If he got the captaincy next year, he's still good enough and durable enough to retain it for a couple of seasons, I reckon. Then a younger player -- Heath Shaw being the leading candidate -- will be cherry ripe to take over and become a long-term captain.
 
There will be only one choice after this year, and it is James Clement. Yes he is into his 30's, but no one else is ready to step up.

Fraser needs to concentrate on his own form. Maxwell has every right to be in the leadership group, but isn't ready for the number 1 job, and after that there is a gap.

At least with Clement our young fellas will get that extra 2 or so years of development and hopefully someone is ready.

Ben Johnson has been given good reviews.
 
Coin_Toss said:
Short-term - James Clement

Long-term - Scott Pendlebury

I would love to see Ben Johsnon accept the captaincy but he won't.
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Would have to agree with you there, clem for 2 or 3 years but down the track scott pendelbury, dont know how far down the track but boy has he got footy smarts about him.
 

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