List Mgmt. Nick Daicos

[Pistol Night]

You mean like this kind of hype… reads pretty similar to someone else IMO.

4. Melbourne - Jimmy Toumpas (183cm midfielder - Woodville)

In terms of the South Australian midfield, Toumpas is the pick of the bunch and should be the second midfielder taken after Whitfield. A stand out performance in the SANFL finals series last year really announced Toumpas to the AFL world and he has continued from there. He is a very different player to Chad Wingard who was the first South Australian picked last year, but Jimmy is just as good in my eyes. Like Grundy, significant game time in the SANFL seniors has prepared him for AFL football and he'll be able to play Round 1 next year - and more than likely, he'll perform better than a lot of his teammates straight away. He is a genuine ball winning midfielder, and not only that, but he makes every disposal count. Playing through injury this year for SA, he was still named All Australian in the U18 Championships and really showed his natural skills and leadership in a game playing across half back. Oh, and did I mention he can go forward too? AFL Comparison: Jimmy Bartel

Exactly. Similar circle jerking about him as Horne is receiving. Means **** all until they do it in the big league

 

[Rusty Beam]

Exactly. Similar circle jerking about him as Horne is receiving. Means fu** all until they do it in the big league

I don’t mind hype and positives, but it’s got to be balanced IMO. I think this board in particular, has been pretty circumspect about Nick in that regard.

After all, Nick, like all draft prospects, has weaknesses/ flaws/ deficiencies… but so does Horne-Francis.

 

[gouki88]

You mean like this kind of hype… reads pretty similar to someone else IMO.

4. Melbourne - Jimmy Toumpas (183cm midfielder - Woodville)

A stand out performance in the SANFL finals series last year really announced Toumpas to the AFL world and he has continued from there. He is a very different player to Chad Wingard who was the first South Australian picked last year, but Jimmy is just as good in my eyes. Like Grundy, significant game time in the SANFL seniors has prepared him for AFL football and he'll be able to play Round 1 next year - and more than likely, he'll perform better than a lot of his teammates straight away. He is a genuine ball winning midfielder, and not only that, but he makes every disposal count. Playing through injury this year for SA, he was still named All Australian in the U18 Championships and really showed his natural skills and leadership in a game playing across half back. Oh, and did I mention he can go forward too? AFL Comparison: Jimmy Bartel

It's like they just compared him to the first Jimmy in the AFL they could think of. Still better than O'Rourke

 

[Rusty Beam]

Cal’s latest phantom.

1.NICK DAICOS
Midfielder
183cm/72kg
3/1/03
Oakleigh Chargers/Vic Metro
Daicos is off to Collingwood on a four-year deal that was announced in August. The midfielder is clearly one of the best prospects to come through the draft in recent years: a prolific ball-winner (he averaged 36 disposals and two goals at NAB League level), perhaps his greatest strength is his capacity to make good decisions, execute his plans and impact games. Not only can he accumulate, he can hurt and he's fun to watch when he squeezes past opponents and pulls out tricks nobody can match. Is equally driven and determined as he is talented

 

[Bay Pie]

I don’t mind hype and positives, but it’s got to be balanced IMO. I think this board in particular, has been pretty circumspect about Nick in that regard.

After all, Nick, like all draft prospects, has weaknesses/ flaws/ deficiencies… but so does Horne-Francis.

Yes, I've seen Nick's deficiencies listed on here, like he gets to much ball and needs to get it more forward of centre, as if averaging 2 goals a game, indicates otherwise.

ND has stuff to work, no doubt, but some of the criticism of him on here has been equally as dumbfounding.

 

[TradeDraft]

 

[Harry O]

Daicos 6th in league B&f Dib 10th

 

[loki04]

I won’t stay long on this board, but my general view is that Daicos is too good forward of centre to spend his time stationed behind the packs. He could lead the league in score involvements if he’s pushing forward. I know he’s hitting the scoreboard as a junior anyway, but I think a role change will be needed to continue that at the next level. When he can’t just dominate and do whatever he wants.

If there’s a question of quality vs quantity, I’ll always choose quality.

He can't be so outside at afl level that is a given. But he is an attacking player rather then a Mitchell Crab so I disagree on that part.

 

[loki04]

I don’t mind hype and positives, but it’s got to be balanced IMO. I think this board in particular, has been pretty circumspect about Nick in that regard.

After all, Nick, like all draft prospects, has weaknesses/ flaws/ deficiencies… but so does Horne-Francis.

Yup Horne can't find the ball as well, isn't as clean, is an erratic kick at times.

Has very good athletic attributes and hard as a cats head will be a v good player.
As opposed to Aish and Toumpas examples who were on the softer side. When comparing u18 SANFL highly rated juniors.

 

[Jen2310]

Daicos 6th in league B&f Dib 10th

no surprise that Nick dropped down since he missed a bunch of games with injury. But thats good for Dib.

 

[unplugged]

Daicos 6th in league B&f Dib 10th

Surprised they even held a B&F to be honest.

 

[Jen2310]

Cringey that at one point in the broadcast they referred to nick as Josh Daicos

7

Josh Daicos

Age

27

Ht

178cm

Wt

77kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.6

4star

K

8.3

3star

HB

7.3

5star

M

3.3

3star

T

3.6

5star

MG

230.5

4star

D

16.2

4star

K

9.2

4star

HB

7.0

4star

M

3.3

3star

T

3.5

4star

MG

230.5

4star

D

13.8

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

6.2

4star

M

3.2

4star

T

4.2

5star

..

 

[Rohan25]

Yes, I've seen Nick's deficiencies listed on here, like he gets to much ball and needs to get it more forward of centre, as if averaging 2 goals a game, indicates otherwise.

ND has stuff to work, no doubt, but some of the criticism of him on here has been equally as dumbfounding.

Sort of like what kept Matt Hayden out of the Test team for all those years.

He had a “technical flaw” in his game that kept getting him out in the low-mid 200’s…

 

[left at home]

Cringey that at one point in the broadcast they referred to nick as Josh Daicos..

Quick temporary change their 1st names about, so nick eerrrr josh goes mid thirties.

 

[TradeDraft]

Wonder IF he be at the Copeland Tonight

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Wonder IF he be at the Copeland Tonight

He’ll probably win it!!!

 

[DWil6]

Sort of like what kept Matt Hayden out of the Test team for all those years.

He had a “technical flaw” in his game that kept getting him out in the low-mid 200’s…

Kind of like how we kept a young Michael Hussey out of the team for the ashes in England when he was playing over their at the time and demolishing the competition, we then went on to narrowly lose the ashes. But in keeping on topic, Nick any good at cricket?

 

[Gone Critical]

I've been lucky enough to see all three careers in their entirety. As far as "best" concerned, I would rank them;

Buckley
Pendlebury
Daicos

But no player I have ever seen, going all the way back to McKenna, has given me anywhere near as much joy as Daicos.

Agree with this. Daics was never the premier player in the comp like Bucks was and Pendles was close to being but the joy he gave was virtually unmatched.

Greening was another level of talent above Daics but gave that same joy.

Gavin Browns bravery and desire to go anywhere to get the footy was the other bloke I got so much enjoyment from watching.

 

[ClaytonM]

Gavin Brown’s bravery and desire to go anywhere to get the footy was the other bloke I got so much enjoyment from watching.

Still my favourite player. None with more courage than Brown Sr.

 

[jonbe54]

Agree with this. Daics was never the premier player in the comp like Bucks was and Pendles was close to being but the joy he gave was virtually unmatched.

Greening was another level of talent above Daics but gave that same joy.

Gavin Browns bravery and desire to go anywhere to get the footy was the other bloke I got so much enjoyment from watching.

Greening would have been an all time great right in the top few to ever play the game, had everything.

 

[Jen2310]

Goalkicking in his blood: What Pies should expect from son of a gun

AFL National Talent Head Coach Tarkyn Lockyer tells Continental Tyres AFL Trade Radio what Collingwood should expect from father-son prospect Nick Daicos

www.afl.com.au

 

[Dundalis]

With all due respect to your Dad and his mates, it seems a bit pointless to me to retrospectively observe that Daicos didn’t have much of a defensive game and had off days. I don’t recall people worrying about that during his career — they were too busy being thrilled to bits about his ability to win games of footy off his own boot, and not too fussed about the other details.
You might as well say that Bucks didn’t kick enough goals — I’d view it the same way. Surely they were just doing different jobs, according to the competitive requirements of their eras.

It wasn't all retrospective. A bunch of them during his prime thought he was a good player, but not in the same league as even some of the Pies stars during the 70's who were actually winning brownlows and generally considered the best in the league by supporters of all teams and fellow players. I would also say it's far more pointless to simply idolise a player as though he was faultless rather than acknowledge said faults. Guess what, you can still be a huge fan of a player without wearing the black and white glasses and pretending they were perfect. People already know Daicos is a Collingwood legend, waxing lyrical about him isn't telling people what they don't know. That also usually tends to lead to just overrating players from older eras (or the game in general) due to the nostalgia factor, which I actively dislike when I hear old farts talk about how much better the game used to be blah blah blah. Even I catch myself doing it sometimes with players from when I was young. Also things like pretending kicking 100 goals back in the day was so incredible because no one comes close to doing it today is just being blind to the advances in the game. I don't care who you bring into today's game from the old days they aren't repeating those feats.

 

[Dundalis]

Also, who gives a crap if Horne does or doesn't have more upside than Daicos? It's this weird D measuring contest people need to have to prove our guy is better. He might, and if Horne becomes a better player than Daicos, but Daicos still ends up a superstar, is it that big of a deal? There are clearly physical measurables along with performances that arguably give Horne and better projection than Daicos, but Horne also clearly has a lower floor than Daicos if his development doesn't go the way of other draftees who were similarly drafted for their physical projection rather than pure performance, like Bontempelli. But who cares? It's like people need to feel better about themselves by nit picking and constantly comparing and putting down the other guy rather than just being content we've drafted a potential future star of the comp. But more time is spent debating how he has to be the best draftee it seems like for people to be truly content.

 

[FAIRANDBALANCED]

There are legitimate reasons why Nick Daicos has probably more question marks than JHF. We all want Daicos to be our next superstar, but playing in the AFL is not the under 18s. Athleticism and strength does matter a lot of the time. Not all the time, but a lot of the time. Look at Oliver, Petracca and Bont, even Macrae, they are all huge men that Daicos would be physically out matched against. If he one day wants to be a pure centre bounce mid, it would seem he has a lot of physical developing to do...or he may just be that out of the box absolute freak who is a star from day one. I think that's what us Pies fans are praying for!!

I do question the defensive side of all under 18s players who get 40 touches a game, so that will be interesting to watch as well.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

I’m finding the whole discussion over Daicos vs Horne-Francis to be embarrassing and cringeworthy.

Will Daicos help us win games of footy? YES
Is he the best talent available to us? YES

The rest we have no control over and is pretty much irrelevant.