List Mgmt. Nick Daicos

[Apex36]

Two father-sons and a mad Pies fan (Bianco). Oakleigh must be doing something right

Two mad pies fans. Crocker grew up a pies fanatic too.

 

[gouki88]

Two mad pies fans. Crocker grew up a pies fanatic too.

Forgot about the Crock. Some of the worst tattoos I can recall, but I liked him nonetheless

 

[Rusty Beam]

Question: when did Jason H become the number 1 pick by some margin according to Fox footy “special” comments frauds?

Recency bias and hyperbole.

I’ve noticed that they only reference his preliminary final performance in discussion on Fox Footy. Even the infographic is just that.

There’s not the slightest mention of the rest of the 19 games he played in the year in the SANFL. The vast majority of which were average performances.

Even the criticism’s surrounding his game from his coach were cut from the quotes published articles online.

It would have been interesting if he had have played in the last two SA v WA games and underperformed if the hype would still be what it is atm.

 

[Brushy]

I think this was posted earlier, but pretty cool.

 

[Scodog10]

Question: when did Jason H become the number 1 pick by some margin according to Fox footy “special” comments frauds?


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SANFL PF day. These guys get rolled out to talk about prospects that they have zero knowledge on so there’s a recency bias. For instance if those same commentators had seen Daicos do what he did in his final match v VC they wouldn’t be making the comments they are. Follow up with what they thought of Sonsie’s start to the year and they’d probably respond with “who”? Looking at you Montagna. I get it with King though because he’d be a Norf poster on here he’s that much of a nuffie.

Edit: it seems Rusty and I are on very similar wavelengths.

 

[TradeDraft]

 

[jmac70]

Can someone do a summary of the points please?

 

[Rusty Beam]

Can someone do a summary of the points please?

 

[jmac70]

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So, we are short if North bid?

 

[Rusty Beam]

So, we are short if North bid?

Given the media hype surrounding Horne Francis, I reckon there’s no chance they do.

That’s before you even consider the public perception of knocking back the Crows offer for pick 1, just to bid on a kid they can’t get anyway.

Earliest is pick 2… I’m still hoping it’s pick 3 (or 4).

 

[jmac70]

Given the media hype surrounding Horne Francis, I reckon there’s no chance they do.

That’s before you even consider the public perception of knocking back the Crows offer for pick 1, just to bid on a kid they can’t get anyway.

Earliest is pick 2… I’m still hoping it’s pick 3 (or 4).

It’s North though, you never know what those arse mongers might do.

 

[Lip Gallagher]

It’s North though, you never know what those arse mongers might do.

Horne is apparently the reincarnation of Garry Ablett senior only better, he’s that much better than Daicos they shouldn’t even be in the same draft according to norfolk.

 

[Pie eyed]

Left knee bandaged. I hope we do our due diligence before draft night

Glasses too........and looks like he ate Stewie Dew???

 

[Jen2310]

 

[Prochard123]

Knightmare

Hey do you see N Daicos lining up for us round 1?

If so, where would he play?

Personally I think either wing/HF should be fine, especially HF, since most of the top mids we are seeing have begun their season in their forward line to learn their forward craft before they have to shoulder full time midfield loads.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Bench. Then maybe a sweeper role as the seventh defender?

 

[Knightmare]

Knightmare

Hey do you see N Daicos lining up for us round 1?

If so, where would he play?

Personally I think either wing/HF should be fine, especially HF, since most of the top mids we are seeing have begun their season in their forward line to learn their forward craft before they have to shoulder full time midfield loads.

Nick Daicos was at a level this year he could have played round 1.

He has versatility to play elsewhere, but I'm playing him through the midfield in the centre square. His movement and evasion in traffic is special, so that's where you're getting the most out of him. For perspective, his numbers are superior to Sam Walsh and Bailey Smith with far heavier scoreboard impact at the same age and stage. So he's ready to go.

You could rotate Daicos across half-forward, but inside midfield play should be his main go.

I don't see any particular benefit to playing him on the outside. Josh should play on the outside, you've got Sidebottom and you've got Poulter. They're the outside mids.

Daicos, Lipinski and Macrae are the new names at centre bounces I want to see this year for heavy minutes.

Daicos I don't see as a Dusty/Petracca/Danger kind of forward of centre impact guy, he'll be more like a Pendlebury/Macrae/Merrett kind of accumulator stylistically with who finds a stack of it and is great around the ground. But hopefully with a touch more scoreboard impact.

 

[Prochard123]

Nick Daicos was at a level this year he could have played round 1.

He has versatility to play elsewhere, but I'm playing him through the midfield in the centre square. His movement and evasion in traffic is special, so that's where you're getting the most out of him. For perspective, his numbers are superior to Sam Walsh and Bailey Smith with far heavier scoreboard impact at the same age and stage. So he's ready to go.

You could rotate Daicos across half-forward, but inside midfield play should be his main go.

I don't see any particular benefit to playing him on the outside. Josh should play on the outside, you've got Sidebottom and you've got Poulter. They're the outside mids.

Daicos, Lipinski and Macrae are the new names at centre bounces I want to see this year for heavy minutes.

I agree that his ideal position is easily inside mid.

I just think due to his slim frame, you probably don't want to expose him to AFL physicality just yet. Also taking a long term perspective, now is the only time when he can focus on improving forward craft without major midfield responsibilities. And if he were to become a top 5/top 10 midfielder in the comp, he probably needs to add this aspect of his game as well.

Also it could be a coincidence but, Brownlow medalists and top 3 mids in the comp generally start their careers in the forward line, as later on it can be hard to ensure midfield performance + learn a secondary role. If you think about Dustin Martin, Marcus Bontempelli, Christian Petracca, Nathan Fyfe, Gary Ablett, Patrick Dangerfield and for us Dane Swan, Dayne Beams and Steele Sidebottom, they all became the players they are today due to that apprenticeship in the forward line.

 

[Knightmare]

I agree that his ideal position is easily inside mid.

I just think due to his slim frame, you probably don't want to expose him to AFL physicality just yet. Also taking a long term perspective, now is the only time when he can focus on improving forward craft without major midfield responsibilities. And if he were to become a top 5/top 10 midfielder in the comp, he probably needs to add this aspect of his game as well.

Also it could be a coincidence but, Brownlow medalists and top 3 mids in the comp generally start their careers in the forward line, as later on it can be hard to ensure midfield performance + learn a secondary role. If you think about Dustin Martin, Marcus Bontempelli, Christian Petracca, Nathan Fyfe, Gary Ablett, Patrick Dangerfield and for us Dane Swan, Dayne Beams and Steele Sidebottom, they all became the players they are today due to that apprenticeship in the forward line.

You'd have to see how Daicos' body is coming out of pre-season. You're right, he is light, but in the VFL game, he was the only one against Geelong to manage 10cp+. He finds a high proportion of outside ball because he's so regularly targeted on the outside, but he's still capable on the inside.

I agree with you about the very best midfielders also having that forward component. It's like how if we spoke about the best mids in the competition today, it's Bont and Petracca. Or before that Danger/Dusty. Ablett before that. And the common features are the great dual position impact. So I'd be saying with both Daicos and Horne-Francis, you want to create that dual position impact. And you're also right about how they've all developed, starting in each case as forwards. So it is a proven formula.

Daicos is a lot more advanced as a footballer for the same age than those guys and more able to play through the midfield more immediately and play good football through there. A blended role is probably the play initially rather than a pure forward role. Up to the coaches as to that blend, and maybe there could be more of a forward blend first-up, he's just not that guy with the kind of power or that weapon forward of centre to be as good as a forward at AFL level as those other best in the comp contenders, so while he has been a 2 goal a game player in the NAB League, I think he'll be more the midfield goalkicker, than someone who is going to ever be as effective forward of centre.

Collingwood are thin for good options across half-forward, so I'd be rotating N.Daicos and Lipinski mostly again as inside mids, but also rotating across half-forward, with Pendlebury another I'd have in that kind of three player rotation with probably one of them across half-forward at a time and one or two of the others through the midfield to elaborate on my vision and how I'd be playing things.

 

[Robroy22]

I agree that his ideal position is easily inside mid.

I just think due to his slim frame, you probably don't want to expose him to AFL physicality just yet. Also taking a long term perspective, now is the only time when he can focus on improving forward craft without major midfield responsibilities. And if he were to become a top 5/top 10 midfielder in the comp, he probably needs to add this aspect of his game as well.

Also it could be a coincidence but, Brownlow medalists and top 3 mids in the comp generally start their careers in the forward line, as later on it can be hard to ensure midfield performance + learn a secondary role. If you think about Dustin Martin, Marcus Bontempelli, Christian Petracca, Nathan Fyfe, Gary Ablett, Patrick Dangerfield and for us Dane Swan, Dayne Beams and Steele Sidebottom, they all became the players they are today due to that apprenticeship in the forward line.

Ummm...think you're drinking your own Coolade here just a tad....
Patrick always played as a mid.....he rested forward but he was always a starting MID.
So too Fyfe, Bont and Martin. They all rested forward but started as mids

Swanny started off as a HBF before he developed his tank but just kept finding the ball and Sidey was a wingman although many people wanted him to play forward due to his 10 goal game in the under 18's final.

About the ONLY ones from your list that started their careers as forwards would be Petracca (coming after a knee injury), GAJ (who just wasn't fit enough early on to play as a starting mid, and Beamer who was a kid trying to get a midfield possie at the expense of Swan and Pendlebury...

If Nicky Daicos is as good as we all think he might be....stick him in the guts with JDG and McCrae and Adams. Don't try and hybridise another rare talent by making him play as a small forward.

 

[Prochard123]

Ummm...think you're drinking your own Coolade here just a tad....
Patrick always played as a mid.....he rested forward but he was always a starting MID.
So too Fyfe, Bont and Martin. They all rested forward but started as mids

Swanny started off as a HBF before he developed his tank but just kept finding the ball and Sidey was a wingman although many people wanted him to play forward due to his 10 goal game in the under 18's final.

About the ONLY ones from your list that started their careers as forwards would be Petracca (coming after a knee injury), GAJ (who just wasn't fit enough early on to play as a starting mid, and Beamer who was a kid trying to get a midfield possie at the expense of Swan and Pendlebury...

If Nicky Daicos is as good as we all think he might be....stick him in the guts with JDG and McCrae and Adams. Don't try and hybridise another rare talent by making him play as a small forward.

This is literally just factually incorrect.

There’s so much wrong this I won’t even bother.

 

[loki04]

Knightmare

Hey do you see N Daicos lining up for us round 1?

If so, where would he play?

Personally I think either wing/HF should be fine, especially HF, since most of the top mids we are seeing have begun their season in their forward line to learn their forward craft before they have to shoulder full time midfield loads.

Rowell didn't.
Macrea for us played on ball at times last year too.

Usually young mids either don't have the endurance or frame to play mid year 1 but Nick already has elite work rate and isn't a string bean for his age.

 

[Copeland]

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Tongue action starting to develop.

 

[ClaytonM]

Knightmare

Hey do you see N Daicos lining up for us round 1?

If so, where would he play?

Personally I think either wing/HF should be fine, especially HF, since most of the top mids we are seeing have begun their season in their forward line to learn their forward craft before they have to shoulder full time midfield loads.

Rehab squad probably.

 

[mike123]

Quickly on the number thing I’ve never understood people getting wrapt up in it, but it does make me wonder why we chose to go with the earliest pick from the previous year over the best first year player from the previous year. In both cases you’re providing the same sense of privilege to wear that number and it’s a nice little reward, but the kicker is giving it to the Harry Collier medalist increases the chances of the nostalgic amongst us seeing 35 in the seniors more often…

Football supporters aren’t rational they’re emotional they’re emotional. I like your suggestion though would have saved us from the Scharenberg, Sier, Mclarty years.