Non-AFL chat thread

[Pugz89]

Everything but the ending.

Spoiler

Deadpool shouldn't get the girl.

They're making another one, so they had to set it up somehow!

 

[immortalmike]

They're making another one, so they had to set it up somehow!

There's plenty of ways to set up another Deadpool movie (seems it'll be either an X-force or Deadpool and Cable movie) and still be in keeping with the hapless nature of ol' Pool.

 

[Bont2Bruce]

First night back and Finey has reached a new low. Saying Mitchell Pearce was taken advantage of and the person who filmed it should have copped a lot more negative press for it. And if he was that drunk, why did the girls let him into their place... How does this guy get a gig? Surely shock factor doesn't bring that many additional ratings.

A number of people who were present whilst the Mitchell Pearce video was taken have since written letters with their accounts of events, indicating that there was a set up. Mitchell was off his face and being an idiot, but he appears to have been stooged by some so-called 'mates' as well.

As to why the girls let him into their place, do you really need me to spell out the obvious answer to that question?

 

[Mutt]

Dubs team shoot 4 of 30 from beyond the arc. Stop the 3's you stop the Warriors?

It just goes to show that if you don't bring your game every time you compete, any team can beat you.

 

[fronkalicious]

Dubs team shoot 4 of 30 from beyond the arc. Stop the 3's you stop the Warriors?

It just goes to show that if you don't bring your game every time you compete, any team can beat you.

Give them a Saturday night off in LA before the game is the best method.........

 

[Mutt]

Give them a Saturday night off in LA before the game is the best method.........

Yep - a free Saturday night in LA would probably f*** me up for a day or two....

 

[ttomred17]

Steph just could not handle HUERTASS

 

[TiAn_]

Anyone else think Ben just made a huge mistake?

 

[fronkalicious]

Bogut quietly having an outstanding season. Such a smart basketballer. The Nba equivalent of dale Morris

 

[Hard Ball Get]

Bogut quietly having an outstanding season. Such a smart basketballer. The Nba equivalent of dale Morris

Been really impressive. Yet another good game today.

 

[immortalmike]

Bogut quietly having an outstanding season. Such a smart basketballer. The Nba equivalent of dale Morris

Sad that injuries robbed him of having the career he deserved.

 

[sashdog]

Hi Guys,

Didn't know where else to post this but moving over to Melbourne from Adelaide for work in a couple of weeks.

I'll be working in Southbank. What are the best areas to rent for close proximity to work, outside of the city.

Also, I absolutely can't wait to finally get to watch the majority of the games live. It would be awesome to get to know some of you legends as well.

I'm on Facebook - Sasha Kesic.

Thanks

 

[Hard Ball Get]

It really depends on your budget.

 

[immortalmike]

Is "look at Harry Taylor waltzing around like a big ****ter" not homophobic?

I would consider it insensitive and stupid but not something especially promoting systematic hatred and marginalization of homosexuals.
We throw terms like homophobe, racist and sexist around far too often when what we really mean is ****ing stupid. I don't want those terms to lose their power.

 

[immortalmike]

With it looking less and less likely that Bernie will get the nomination (unless Hillary gets indicted), does anyone else feel like the US presidential election will look like this...

 

[BEaston]

I would consider it insensitive and stupid but not something especially promoting systematic hatred and marginalization of homosexuals.
We throw terms like homophobe, racist and sexist around far too often when what we really mean is ******* stupid. I don't want those terms to lose their power.

How is calling someone a ****ter as an insult not marginalising homosexuals?
Also your last comment is just weird to me... we should call out racism/etc sparingly so those words don't lose their power?? Strange.

 

[immortalmike]

How is calling someone a ****ter as an insult not marginalising homosexuals?
Also your last comment is just weird to me... we should call out racism/etc sparingly so those words don't lose their power?? Strange.

When it wasn't meant as a comment on all homosexuals. It was a shitty insensitive joke about an individual walking effeminately . When you "call out" such behaviour as homophobic it's damaging to the word, it trivializes it. What you are doing is creating a culture that is at best toxic towards free expression where people are too scared to say certain things lest they be branded one of the many -ists (or homophobic) for example it is no longer considered proper to call older people "elderly" at the University of Melbourne (elderly having previously been the more politically correct term), if you call someone elderly now, that is ageist. At worst you trivialize the word to the point where people no longer care when you call them it, and you get a pushback where people start voting for a real racist, xenophobic, sexist, tyrant in Donald Trump because he "says what he thinks".

To quote my favourite comedian George Carlin "words don't matter, the intent behind them matters". If my (Australian) best friend calls me a wog, he's not being racist, but if someone was to say "hey we have to do something about these wogs, they're lazy and a drain on the system" that's racist.

 

[webbo]

When it wasn't meant as a comment on all homosexuals. It was a shitty insensitive joke about an individual walking effeminately . When you "call out" such behaviour as homophobic it's damaging to the word, it trivializes it. What you are doing is creating a culture that is at best toxic towards free expression where people are too scared to say certain things lest they be branded one of the many -ists (or homophobic) for example it is no longer considered proper to call older people "elderly" at the University of Melbourne (elderly having previously been the more politically correct term), if you call someone elderly now, that is ageist. At worst you trivialize the word to the point where people no longer care when you call them it, and you get a pushback where people start voting for a real racist, xenophobic, sexist, tyrant in Donald Trump.

To quote my favourite comedian George Carlin "words don't matter, the intent behind them do". If my (Australian) best friend calls me a wog, he's not being racist, but if a stranger "hey we have to do something about these wogs, they're lazy and a drain on the system" that's racist.

Where'd you hear about that at uni? Haven't heard that myself. But I do agree with you. One phrase or word, doesn't make you inherently a homophobe or racist or ageist. I'm sure we've all said something in a joking manner or had a slip of the tongue that could be construed as a sexist or racist phrase, but that doesn't mean that we, as people are prejudiced.

 

[JEDi 44]

Where'd you hear about that at uni? Haven't heard that myself. But I do agree with you. One phrase or word, doesn't make you inherently a homophobe or racist or ageist. I'm sure we've all said something in a joking manner or had a slip of the tongue that could be construed as a sexist or racist phrase, but that doesn't mean that we, as people are prejudiced.

That's not true according to the AFL. In fact, according to them if you take a displeasure to one and only one person who is not the same as you, no matter what the reason is, then you are an '.....ist'

 

[immortalmike]

Where'd you hear about that at uni? Haven't heard that myself. But I do agree with you. One phrase or word, doesn't make you inherently a homophobe or racist or ageist. I'm sure we've all said something in a joking manner or had a slip of the tongue that could be construed as a sexist or racist phrase, but that doesn't mean that we, as people are prejudiced.

Psych department while teaching second year Developmental Psychology. We were all pretty flabbergasted by that.

 

[BEaston]

When it wasn't meant as a comment on all homosexuals. It was a shitty insensitive joke about an individual walking effeminately . When you "call out" such behaviour as homophobic it's damaging to the word, it trivializes it. What you are doing is creating a culture that is at best toxic towards free expression where people are too scared to say certain things lest they be branded one of the many -ists (or homophobic) for example it is no longer considered proper to call older people "elderly" at the University of Melbourne (elderly having previously been the more politically correct term), if you call someone elderly now, that is ageist. At worst you trivialize the word to the point where people no longer care when you call them it, and you get a pushback where people start voting for a real racist, xenophobic, sexist, tyrant in Donald Trump because he "says what he thinks".

To quote my favourite comedian George Carlin "words don't matter, the intent behind them matters". If my (Australian) best friend calls me a wog, he's not being racist, but if someone was to say "hey we have to do something about these wogs, they're lazy and a drain on the system" that's racist.

Hmm wonder if many gay people think it "doesn't matter" when people use those words. Somehow I don't think so. I think the damage done to those people is probably worse than -ists being trivialised. The "certain things" you are talking about, that people might be scared to say, are insulting and offensive to large groups of people. Is it really a bad thing if people stop to think about what the effect their words might have?

 

[immortalmike]

Hmm wonder if many gay people think it "doesn't matter" when people use those words. Somehow I don't think so. I think the damage done to those people is probably worse than -ists being trivialised. The "certain things" you are talking about, that people might be scared to say, are insulting and offensive to large groups of people. Is it really a bad thing if people stop to think about what the effect their words might have?

Yes partially. Free expression is the most important part of a free society, it's directly linked to our liberty as a people.
Hurt feelings are an unfortunate consequence, one that is hard to balance. When you ask "how many gay people think it doesn't matter...?" I can only go by my personal experience, my gay friends and family don't care about the words only the intent, nobody in my family cares whenthe word wog is used frivolously in popular media and neither do I.
Bad ideas can still be conveyed without using the words i.e., a southern preacher saying "Homosexuals are against nature" is a homophobic idea, while someone saying "****ters should have every right to get married" is quite the opposite despite the language used.
Getting hung up on words and not the ideas behind them marginalizes those that may be allies in favour of punishing poor expression.

But I'm not really even in favour of people using the words, I'm more worried about the response to a slip up. Someone jokingly calling someone a ****ter is a very different prospect to the Westborough Baptist church. To call them both homophobic and painting them both with the same brush is excessive. Some understanding both ways would be a better option, a simple "hey BT that's a shitty thing to say" will get a better response than "**** you Brian! You homophobe".

 

[immortalmike]

$115 million. Running wild brother.

 

[Freshwater]

Love hearing a Bulldog supporter as articulate as Immortalmike. I agree 100% with what you're saying. It's a subtle difference that many are struggling to comprehend. But if freedom of speech and democracy are valued and studied as much as we 'crap on' about the diggers that went to war to protect these rights, we will realise that with freedom of speech, comes with the responsibility not to be offended.

 

[gangsta deluxe]

Yes let's us white straight males be the deciding voice on these issues and give a pass to words like '****ter' as stupid little mistakes. But let's get real offended and be really careful about the use of words like 'homophobe', people throwing those around are the real problem....


What a joke. Sexism homophobia and racism are huge issues in our society and instances of it like this one by Taylor should be called out and condemned. You can see he wasn't sorry and didn't understand the problem with his actions in the Hun article about it.

Stigmatising words calling out discrimination like they are a somehow describing an uncommon and abnormal evil is just wrong. Micro aggressions like these that happen every day hurt people - just because your mates aren't effected by it doesn't mean others are (I have contradictory anecdotes to what you say so don't pull that line).

Instances of behaviour like this are simply unacceptable.