Opinion Non-Crows AFL 10

[Kane McGoodwin]

didnt see that coming at all

About ****ing time!

Will lead to less injuries & quicker game.

 

[BRL121]

Sydney already have a better coaching group than most & don't need a leg up.

It's so their existing group can get better houses: it won't change the standard of the group, just keeps them out of caravans.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Had to laugh that the very first example they showed of what should now be holding the ball involved none other than Lachlan Sholl

Yeah, wouldn't want to show Draper's Swan dive to save the game in front of the 4 blind mice...

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

It's so ridiculous

Get the two most experienced umpires and put them in separate sound-proof booths

Show them footage of ten AFL tackles and ask them which ones should be Holding The Ball decisions.

Will be a lottery, just like umpiring always has been and always will be

 

[Crow_68]

This is going to end badly.

 

[MarcusP2]

This is going to end badly.

Clarko losing the plot.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

This is going to end badly.

It's hard without #freekickhawthorn isn't it?

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

But all teams playing are in the same boat.
There’s more of an advantage imo to those that play this week against those who don’t play.
They have a game to be used to it.

The 1st game of the round teams are never in the same boat when it comes to the new interpretation of the round...

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

I'm sorry - but 'AFL' level umpires should be able to know instinctively what's HTB and what's not.... You know, like they used to be able to do for decades previously (*Yes, games got quicker but given there's 4 umpires on field now, no excuses)

Should be part of becoming an AFL umpire that you have a clue/feel for the common decisions.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

It's so ridiculous

Get the two most experienced umpires and put them in separate sound-proof booths

Show them footage of ten AFL tackles and ask them which ones should be Holding The Ball decisions.

Will be a lottery, just like umpiring always has been and always will be

Should be a test of 10 decisions for every umpire.

If they can't get at least 8 right, VFL for you...

 

[fuic08]

Should be a test of 10 decisions for every umpire.

If they can't get at least 8 right, VFL for you...

Except the AFL would tick off both calls

 

[ams4crows]

If Clarkson decides to throw in the towel soon on coaching then North should just fold, if I was a North player out of contract I'd be looking at every other club first before signing on with North again

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

No two tackles are the same

They can talk precedents all they want

 

[DJ75]

The laws are a bit of a mess, but the relevant clauses and definitions could also be interpreted to give a free kick where a player throws the ball in a genuine attempt to dispose of the ball, but not where the player drops the ball in an attempt to kick the ball.

It is strange that there is a definition for correct and incorrect disposal, but also one for a throw, which is falls within the definition of an incorrect disposal. There seems to be an intent to treat a throw differently to everything else.

The Western Bulldogs rule

 

[mcleod at 50 lines it up]

This is going to end badly.

this is why I thought the racism thing was a bit of a laugh against him, the guy has always been a bit of a prick to everyone! and maybe that's what you need to make it unless you have Malcolm Blight type gifts

 

[Crowtel]

I wonder what vile means in this instance.

Usually if it was a racial slur, they would say racial slur. Homophobic, homophobic.

Vile seems very ambiguous.

 

[footy4ever]

Hands in the back was a joke. No need to go back to that rubbish.



Now this I agree with.

Hands in the back was perfect. It was black and white. Now you can push in the back with both hands and not get pinged ....or get pinged, depending on how much if stupid campaigner the umpire is.

It's now a ridiculous situation.

 

[Sanders]

I wonder if there will be a tightening of the interpretation of holding the ball rule at Kirkys swinger party Friday night at his mansion

Gives new meaning to turning the screws

 

[BunjiMC]

I'm all for paying HTB quicker, however, the examples they gave were terrible. Also what is wrong with calling a ball up?

For example: someone picks up the ball, gets tackled before having an opportunity to dispose of it, umpire calls a ball up quickly....

 

[MarcusP2]

I'm all for paying HTB quicker, however, the examples they gave were terrible. Also what is wrong with calling a ball up?

For example: someone picks up the ball, gets tackled before having an opportunity to dispose of it, umpire calls a ball up quickly....

If they attempt to dispose of it but can't(e.g both arms/ball pinned) that's exactly what should happen

 

[GrommoT]

Oliveball is on again ... according to FrontBar


Time to set up tents outside again

 

[daniel_4tw]

The real issue with AFL has always been so many rules, more than any other sport, are at the umpires’ discretion.

Did a player have prior?

Was there a genuine attempt?

Sufficient intent to keep the ball in?

Even the black and white rules have loose interpretations. Push in the back, running too far, did a player duck for a high tackle, late spoils for 50s.

You’re asking 4 individuals, 36 a week, to make 100s of split second judgemental calls.

It’s not like tennis where the ball in and out, soccer when player offside and they can draw a line, basketball where contact made.

You could argue that it’s one of the things that makes our game so great, where fans can scream and cheer at every contest, and both sides feel a little cheated by the umps at the end of a game.

But changing the rules, or ‘interpretations’, 3 days before a round of football is extremely amateurish, even for the AFL. Coaches have created game plans around the rules, players have trained to expect certain umpiring. It highlights how much of the rules are bullshit when the interpretation can be changed on a whim.

Have they tested the new rules at lower levels to see the results? Have they seen how players and coaches adapt to new interpretations? Have they spent months of training the umpires to ensure every umpire will make the same decision on the same contest, every time?

Now is a good time to mention in our billion dollar sport, these are part time umpires. Did they just get the same video package or was it at a team meeting saying ‘hey guys, let’s be hotter on the whistle now’.

But alas, it’s the AFL, so watch these tighter interpretations come in for a week or two, be applied over the top in an almost comical fashion, before it reverts by round 18.

Stop ****ing with the rules, and focus on actually getting correct and consistent calls with the current rules.

 

[Velvet George]

I wonder what vile means in this instance.

Usually if it was a racial slur, they would say racial slur. Homophobic, homophobic.

Vile seems very ambiguous.

You’re as bad as a North player

 

[Velvet George]

2 most vile swear words, has to be:

F.cking C..ts

 

[Afcprophet]

I'd like them to pay 50s for players not returning the ball too. It delays the game a lot.

It's ridiculous to stand over it and not give it back, or give away a free and just run away from the ball. Don't know why they wouldn't have tried this before the stand rule.