Opinion Non-Crows AFL 12: It's the confectionery with 1000 uses

[cleanhands]

Hell I discovered it then (not ice, but Sudafed). It was a bloody powerful thing to consume before a Uni exam or a night out. Mix it with a big hit of sugar or caffeine (or both) and you would go all day. You could drink like a bull and party all night. It was called "low grade speed" in the feral suburbs I grew up in for a reason.

 

[n4sir]

That's about right.

 

[Slippery Pete]

There were no experts lying or giving "unscientific opinions" during Covid.

 

[n4sir]

The thing is back then you could do this kind of crazy shit for a night, and be okay to work again in about 24 hours. It was destructive, and if you didn't totally self destruct in that party and recovery time frame, it didn't matter because it was non-addictive. You could function normally. Shit seems to have changed since...

 

[GameofSloanes]

Was reading on the port board he was divorced (there goes 50%), lost his house at Henley etc.

I'd say he's got money, but 200k is still big hit for anyone.

The craziest part is he lost the initial case, but then appealed, which is when the judge ordered him to pay 200k to Nine. If he'd just walked away he would've been fine.

Why is he accepting money when gold and silver coins are the only legal form of payment???

 

[GameofSloanes]

So I've caught up on the AFL website - Kane basically boasting that him alerting the umpires to what he believes is a Crows' ducking tactic, saw them umpire "beautifully" by not paying head high tackles to the Crows. "Keane does it every time" I tells ya!

This from a campaigner who played for Port Adelaide Power who perfected the art of flopping and ducking.

I noticed this during the game, he would be sitting there smugly knowing he contributed to us losing the game

 

[Samcro24]

Based on the best scientific advice they had at the time?

Science isn't some kind of truth-telling magic. It relies on continual testing and evaluating new data as it comes in. It takes time to get a full picture of things, and in an emergency situation it is prudent to err on the side of caution in the interim.

Early indications were that Covid could be spread via surfaces. Once further testing showed that was rarely the case, the advice was updated accordingly... exactly as it should be handled.

There were no experts lying or giving "unscientific opinions" during Covid. Hell, you almost never heard anything from experts. What you heard were various spokespeople repeating the summary of advice that was told to them by the experts.

But, again, this inclination from you and sadly many others to be immediately suspicious or scornful of experts is a direct result of decades of work from the Murdoch press to demonise and misrepresent science and academia as a whole.

You just described exactly why people were sceptical.

 

[n4sir]

Why is he accepting money when gold and silver coins are the only legal form of payment???

Because this kind of argument is full of shit?

 

[GreyCrow]

I doubt tredrea is crazy too, probably is just sticking it up channel 9 as they did to him and it backfired, he's always been a lone wolf remember the famous captain vote post 2004 when primus returned and he didn't want to give it up, so mark williams called a vote? He got one vote, from himself.

Then there was the save the club/merge with the magpies fund all the senior players donated 10k but he refused.

Great player though, i would have liked to see him evolve beyond a leading chf, probably only brown did of that era but got injured a lot.

 

[Scorpus]

Yep they did. For decades before ice manufacturing became a thing, pseudoephedrine (aka Sudafed) was known in the feral suburbs like what I grew up in as "low grade speed"

When the bikies found out they could manufacture a potent, addictive drug by accumulating quantities of this stuff, they did. That's half of the equation. Greed of the pharma companies is the other half.

I'm just sceptical about whether scamming everyday citizens with fake sudafed to curb meth production actually had any effect

I reckon this had (as the Crows would say) a non-statistical impact on the game (of meth)

What I'm saying is making it harder for people sick with a cold to get pseudoephedrine is the Lachlan Murphy of stopping meth

 

[Crow till I die]

Based on the best scientific advice they had at the time?

Science isn't some kind of truth-telling magic. It relies on continual testing and evaluating new data as it comes in. It takes time to get a full picture of things, and in an emergency situation it is prudent to err on the side of caution in the interim.

Early indications were that Covid could be spread via surfaces. Once further testing showed that was rarely the case, the advice was updated accordingly... exactly as it should be handled.

There were no experts lying or giving "unscientific opinions" during Covid. Hell, you almost never heard anything from experts. What you heard were various spokespeople repeating the summary of advice that was told to them by the experts.

But, again, this inclination from you and sadly many others to be immediately suspicious or scornful of experts is a direct result of decades of work from the Murdoch press to demonise and misrepresent science and academia as a whole.

Remember at the supermarket when they had those discs on the ground to keep 6 feet apart?..where did they get the science for that?

COVID ‘6-feet’ social distancing ‘sort of just appeared,’ likely lacked scientific basis, Fauci admits

Dr. Anthony Fauci confessed to lawmakers Tuesday that guidelines to keep six feet of separation — ostensibly to limit the spread of COVID-19 — “sort of just appeared” withou…

nypost.com

I think that they were making it up on the fly during Covid and thats fine, but to punish people for non compliance wjen the reality was there was no science behind things done was incredibly harsh.

Still, the burnt hand teaches best and next time people will be more wary

 

[Mostyn]

You just described exactly why people were sceptical.

It was a moment that required intensely quick discovery.

The amount of work done to research COVID and develop a vaccine is unprecedented in history. Multiple programs across multiple countries working around the clock to develop the vaccine that saved countless lives.

I was happy to take the vaccine because I desperately wanted markets to reopen and the world to return back to normal. Obviously, having thousands and thousands of people die needed to be prevented, so I understand why much of the world needed to lockdown.

I think those scientists were heroes. I have no patience for the yoga teachers and sports reporters who think they're enough of an expert to be "sceptical".

 

[n4sir]

I'm just sceptical about whether scamming everyday citizens with fake sudafed to curb meth production actually had any effect

I reckon this had (as the Crows would say) a non-statistical impact on the game (of meth)

What I'm saying is making it harder for people sick with a cold to get pseudo ephedrine is the Lachlan Murphy of stopping meth

It certainly had an effect of clearing sinuses (the old pseudoephedrine). I challenge you to find one person (who knows the difference) to say the substitute PE does anything remotely close to what Sudafed did when you had a sinus problem (let alone anything else we talked about). Good luck with that.

As far as stopping meth production... there's a very good reason it's been stripped from being a bulk over the counter medicine at chemists. It's a massive decrease in precursor product availability. It's also why you see it as one of the major things they pick up on Border Security on TV.

 

[Crow till I die]

Immitating a peter garrett concert?

 

[cleanhands]

Immitating a peter garrett concert?

Sam’s Disco

 

[Mostyn]

Remember at the supermarket when they had those discs on the ground to keep 6 feet apart?..where did they get the science for that?

COVID ‘6-feet’ social distancing ‘sort of just appeared,’ likely lacked scientific basis, Fauci admits

Dr. Anthony Fauci confessed to lawmakers Tuesday that guidelines to keep six feet of separation — ostensibly to limit the spread of COVID-19 — “sort of just appeared” withou…

nypost.com

I think that they were making it up on the fly during Covid and thats fine, but to punish people for non compliance wjen the reality was there was no science behind things done was incredibly harsh.

Still, the burnt hand teaches best and next time people will be more wary

The science behind social distancing is pretty easy to understand, and widely agreed to by the vast majority of macrobiologists.

But I agree. The next time a massive contagious event hits, there won't be the unanimous approach that happened during COVID.

We'll see what happens then, I guess.

The problem with taking action that prevents catastrophe is - how do you know it would have been catastrophic? Maybe it wouldn't have happened anyway.

I feel many people feel that way about COVID.

 

[n4sir]

The problem with taking action that prevents catastrophe is - how do you know it would have been catastrophic? Maybe it wouldn't have happened anyway.

I feel many people feel that way about COVID.

If a catastrophic Ebola virus (or nuclear bomb, or beef Wellington) happened on an island, wiped out its whole inhabitants, did it ever really exist?

 

[cmndstab]

Remember at the supermarket when they had those discs on the ground to keep 6 feet apart?..where did they get the science for that?

COVID ‘6-feet’ social distancing ‘sort of just appeared,’ likely lacked scientific basis, Fauci admits

Dr. Anthony Fauci confessed to lawmakers Tuesday that guidelines to keep six feet of separation — ostensibly to limit the spread of COVID-19 — “sort of just appeared” withou…

nypost.com

There we go. A textbook example of a Murdoch owned property putting out a story which misrepresents what actually happened, for the purpose of casting doubt on science as a whole (not to mention the notion of government regulation and oversight). A "quote" presented as a headline, which if you dig into it is actually a quote from someone else (a partisan politician no less) paraphrasing what he says Fauci said. The actual transcript wasn't released until months after the article came out, which put what he actually said into context.

But of course, most people just see the headline, and think "huh, I guess those kooky scientists were just wrong after all". And from there, it only depends how far down the conspiracy rabbit hole they are whether they attribute that to incompetency or malice.

The reality is that there is a strong relationship between the likelihood of transmission, and proximity to an infected person. This is the case for Covid, as it is for all viruses transmitted by aerosolised particles. This is undisputed. The further away from people you are, the less likely you are to become infected. Is six feet a magic number? No. But it's more effective than five feet, and less effective than seven feet.

The so-called "six foot rule" has nothing to do with Covid. It wasn't invented for Covid, it wasn't a result of study into Covid transmission. It is a general rule of thumb for viruses which has been around for more than a century. It's a sensible starting point which can then be modified as needed as more data is analysed for a given virus.

What actually happened here is that those people who were tasked with making public policy recommendations, quite rightly, recognised that the Covid pandemic, which was in the middle of becoming a global catastrophe, was being transmitted by aerosolised particles, and recommended that we all try to distance from other people to help limit the rate of infection. This was unquestionably correct advice to give, and the fact that I even need to make that argument is testament to the job the Murdoch press (and others) have done at casting doubt on science as a whole.

It was then the job of a policy maker to decide what to do with that advice. If you think the "punishments" (to the extent they existed at all) for not distancing sufficiently well were too harsh, that's where you should direct your ire. The scientists did their job extremely well, and should be lauded for it, rather than treated with scorn and suspicion.

 

[Pugsley]

If Silver doesn't exist, then who the hell is this?

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That is a meerkat.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

I doubt tredrea is crazy too, probably is just sticking it up channel 9 as they did to him and it backfired, he's always been a lone wolf remember the famous captain vote post 2004 when primus returned and he didn't want to give it up, so mark williams called a vote? He got one vote, from himself.

Then there was the save the club/merge with the magpies fund all the senior players donated 10k but he refused.

Great player though, i would have liked to see him evolve beyond a leading chf, probably only brown did of that era but got injured a lot.

Nah, he is crazy!

Suggest you read the transcript of what he said as it's full on cooker material.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

The thing is back then you could do this kind of crazy shit for a night, and be okay to work again in about 24 hours. It was destructive, and if you didn't totally self destruct in that party and recovery time frame, it didn't matter because it was non-addictive. You could function normally. Shit seems to have changed since...

Fentanyl...

 

[spenze]

Fentanyl...

That's what you take?

Hardcore man, hardcore

 

[Geoffa32]

It certainly had an effect of clearing sinuses (compared to the old pseudoephedrine). I challenge you to find one person (who knows the difference) to say the substitute PE does anything remotely close to what Sudafed did when you had a sinus problem (let alone anything else we talked about). Good luck with that.

As far as stopping meth production... there's a very good reason it's been stripped from being a bulk over the counter medicine at chemists. It's a massive decrease in precursor product availability. It's also why you see it as one of the major things they pick up on Border Security on TV.

And yet Meth use has increased.

Making cough medication less effective has not really worked in regard to decreasing meth use.


The sad reality is that Meth is cheaper than alcohol.

 

[Mr_Moogle]

Banner images should be a democratic process.

 

[whattagun07]

Think I might wait a few days before coming back to this thread. Yikes