Opinion Non-Crows AFL 4: The Centre Cannot Hold

[Scorpus]

The AFL will be fuming Rioli got off, they love banning players for that

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

They don't know how to police head knocks and I don't think there is a way to do it fairly and effectively

At its core the game is fast and furious and people crash into each other sometimes

I don't envy them

 

[FR0GGY]

They don't know how to police head knocks and I don't think there is a way to do it fairly and effectively

At its core the game is fast and furious and people crash into each other sometimes

I don't envy them

Outcome multiplied by the action
No injury 1
Injury 2

Accidental 0
Reckless 1
Intentional 2
Something like that might need to adjust some numbers and do some rounding.

 

[CrowsB4hoes]

Caro’s been having horrible takes for years.

 

[FAITH]

Gees Faith, Thilthorpe is 19 years old, give the bloke a chance. Could he attack the ball harder, sure it's his biggest fault but the other attributes are there.
We know you liked Logan McDonald but that ship has sailed, he ain't ever playing for us.
We all have our favourites at draft time but that's what makes us supporters... we have no actual say in any of these picks.
At his age and size I reckon he's still got a couple of years development before you can claim he's continuously letting us down.

Believe it or not I want what's best for Tilly.
Seeing him not putting in given the talent he has is heart breaking.

 

[rabidcrow]

That still riles me to this day. Their only "punishment" for drug cheating was to basically write off a year in which they weren't a challenger anyway.

From that year they got a free hit at a lot of fringe/top up players to see who was AFL quality, some of whom are still on their list now. And a free hit at Pick 1. They got a free year of tanking without needing to tank.

The AFL sent their kid to bed without dessert and then took them to Cold Rock Ice Creamery and said get whatever you want the next day to make up for it.

Didn’t they also get an end of first round compensation pick during those years?


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[spexau]

Didn’t they also get an end of first round compensation pick during those years?


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They had their first and second stripped but we're gifted an end of first from memory. Was bollocks.

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[StonesThrow]

We're 12 percentage points clear of port on the ladder! Who's number 1 in town?

 

[StonesThrow]

 

[MRB37]

Didn’t they also get an end of first round compensation pick during those years?


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If I remember correctly they gave them one so they'd still be able to draft Michael Longs kid and he went in the rookie draft to them.

 

[Vader]

If someone offered you 10 years of 750k pa or 2 to 3 year deals with a sliding salary that you start off on 350k and it increases each contract but ends on 1.2 million a year what would you pick?

Give the 10 year contract you've locked the player in your club if it turns out he's an average player or has constant injuries it's a bust but if he turns into a super star you've got a bargain. Alternatively each time the contract is up for renewal he could be poached or demand more to stay so you end up paying a sh*t ton more but of he is a just an average player you can pay what is deserved or shipping him off to somewhere else.

Alastair Lynch famously signed a 10-year contract with Brisbane. It was updated several times over the course of that decade, in each case it resulted in him being paid more than the originally contracted amount.

Just because you sign for $750K for a long time, doesn't mean that you'll end up only receiving $750K.

 

[FR0GGY]

Alastair Lynch famously signed a 10-year contract with Brisbane. It was updated several times over the course of that decade, in each case it resulted in him being paid more than the originally contracted amount.

Just because you sign for $750K for a long time, doesn't mean that you'll end up only receiving $750K.

How often does that happen though? That was 20+ years ago, I can’t think of a time it’s happened since, some might rejig to front end some money.

 

[arrowman]

Report: AFL investigating Daniher deal with clubs sceptical of Lions’ extension

‘We have done nothing wrong’: Lions footy boss defends Daniher deal as clubs remain sceptical

www.foxsports.com.au

There's one plausible excuse the Lions can offer:

“We signed (Daniher) to a three-year deal and then we decided to extend it after one year.

“At the end of the day, he had not played for three years before this – he played 15 games in three years with a groin. We want to keep him for as long as we can.”

OK sure, you don't want to commit to more than 3 years until he's shown his body is right - but on the other hand, if his injury history was such a worry, why commit to even 3 years at such a high rate? A player in that situation would, often as not, need to settle for maybe 2 years at a relatively low rate, then extend at a higher rate once he has shown the injuries are behind him. Not 3 years at a high rate, then extend at a (presumably) lower rate.

It sure doesn't smell right.

 

[StickerMan]

Report: AFL investigating Daniher deal with clubs sceptical of Lions’ extension

‘We have done nothing wrong’: Lions footy boss defends Daniher deal as clubs remain sceptical

www.foxsports.com.au

There's one plausible excuse the Lions can offer:



OK sure, you don't want to commit to more than 3 years until he's shown his body is right - but on the other hand, if his injury history was such a worry, why commit to even 3 years at such a high rate? A player in that situation would, often as not, need to settle for maybe 2 years at a relatively low rate, then extend at a higher rate once he has shown the injuries are behind him. Not 3 years at a high rate, then extend at a (presumably) lower rate.

It sure doesn't smell right.

So, if there was a concern with his durability, and they offered 3 x 750K, surely the extension is worth more money, not less, given he seems over his injury worries??

That argument is flawed.

 

[George CantStandYa]

So, if there was a concern with his durability, and they offered 3 x 750K, surely the extension is worth more money, not less, given he seems over his injury worries??

That argument is flawed.

And that’s the kicker of which there can not be any arguing around. You want to give him 5? The minimum is the first 3 years stay at $750k and if he wants to take a pay cut in the last 2 years that’s on him but the 3 year deal can’t be touched.

 

[Vader]

How often does that happen though? That was 20+ years ago, I can’t think of a time it’s happened since, some might rejig to front end some money.

There haven't been many super-long contracts signed since then. Franklin's 9-year FA contract is the only one which springs to mind. That wasn't increased, but it already made him the highest paid player in the AFL, despite his declining output in the later years of the contract.

If we're talking 9-10 year contracts, then those are the only two points for comparison.

There have been plenty of 5-year contracts, but nothing else in the 9-10 year range.

 

[GameofSloanes]

Jesus F Christ Willie Rioli actually got off..

I was surprised he only got 1 instead of 4
Disgraceful
AFL should appeal, as this has implications for future concussion cases and protecting the head

 

[Mutineer]

I was surprised he only got 1 instead of 4
Disgraceful
AFL should appeal, as this has implications for future concussion cases and protecting the head

And how stiff is Mitch Robinson that being the case

 

[GameofSloanes]

Gees Faith, Thilthorpe is 19 years old, give the bloke a chance. Could he attack the ball harder, sure it's his biggest fault but the other attributes are there.
We know you liked Logan McDonald but that ship has sailed, he ain't ever playing for us.
We all have our favourites at draft time but that's what makes us supporters... we have no actual say in any of these picks.
At his age and size I reckon he's still got a couple of years development before you can claim he's continuously letting us down.

Also he's shown more than any KPF we've had since Walker

 

[Mutineer]

Also he's shown more than any KPF we've had since Walker

Trent Hentschell what a loss...

 

[GameofSloanes]

And how stiff is Mitch Robinson that being the case

Absolutely, Robinsons was far less bad, and he certainly had an argument that he braced for contact and Duursma dived into him. That decision makes no sense either
The only one they got right was Sloane, baffling he got suspended in the first place

 

[StickerMan]

And that’s the kicker of which there can not be any arguing around. You want to give him 5? The minimum is the first 3 years stay at $750k and if he wants to take a pay cut in the last 2 years that’s on him but the 3 year deal can’t be touched.

If year 4 & 5 are to be remunerated at a much less level - e.g. $300K each year, then the argument then becomes, was it a five year deal at $570 a year, which affects the compensation pick etc.

Me thinks, if Essendon were presented with that deal, then the outcome would have been much different.

 

[arrowman]

If year 4 & 5 are to be remunerated at a much less level - e.g. $300K each year, then the argument then becomes, was it a five year deal at $570 a year, which affects the compensation pick etc.

Also, thinking about age...

Born March 1994. So when he signed the first 3 year deal in late 2020 he was about to turn 27 (in March 2021) and the deal would have taken him through to the end of 2023, when he would be approaching 30. He is currently (just turned) 28. The proposed extension takes him through to end of 2025, when he's approaching 32 (turns 32 in March 2026).

So - and I'm not trying to make a case either way here, just chewing the fat...

- Wouldn't a nearly 27 year old, being asked to change clubs, want at least 4 years? Maybe not, if the price for the 3 years is fat enough. But without looking up the records, (only) 3 year deals for a FA, even a 27 year old, would not be common?

- Would a 28 year old want a contract extension that takes him through to the age of nearly 32? Absolutely, even if the $ are perhaps reduced. Bird in the hand, and all that.

- But why would a club offer a 28 year old a 2 year extension when they've got him sewn up for the next 2 years anyway? It's not like there's any danger another club will poach him.

Not trying to make a case either way, and it's not a strong case anyway, but it's kind of odd.

 

[Scorpus]

Outcome multiplied by the action
No injury 1
Injury 2

Accidental 0
Reckless 1
Intentional 2
Something like that might need to adjust some numbers and do some rounding.

IMO the AFL needs to scrap their stupid classification system and produce a list of actions that will receive suspensions

Eg.

Gut punch - 1 week
Deliberate hit to the head - 4 weeks
Jumping into someone's head - 1 week
Bumping someone in the head - 1 week
Sling tackle - 3 weeks

And so on. Each would have examples of past instances of these actions. Make it very clear cut and go from there. No room for interpretation: if you bump someone in the head, you're gone for a week, no "oh well was it careless or intentional"

 

[FR0GGY]

There haven't been many super-long contracts signed since then. Franklin's 9-year FA contract is the only one which springs to mind. That wasn't increased, but it already made him the highest paid player in the AFL, despite his declining output in the later years of the contract.

If we're talking 9-10 year contracts, then those are the only two points for comparison.

There have been plenty of 5-year contracts, but nothing else in the 9-10 year range.

I meant contracts that are signed and then the club tears that up and pays them more within those same years.